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My general theory of Uber is they're greedy assholes but they're lazy as poo poo, I don't think they could muster up the shits to give to orchestrate a conspiracy
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Sure nobody was basing their idea of what happened off that video, but anybody saying anything contrary to what that video showed is just full of poo poo and a conspiracy theorist Quote me troll, just stop posting if you're not going to be responding to people in the thread instead of this imaginary character in your head.
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ElCondemn posted:Quote me troll, just stop posting if you're not going to be responding to people in the thread instead of this imaginary character in your head. so we've got conspiracy theorist, full of poo poo, troll, and now QUOTE WHERE I SAID THAT like i was specifically talking about him and not the fact that in general there were people in the last thread basing their interpretation off that video and getting really mad when people offered counter claims you're a good poster
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like did you just force yourself to forget oocc's nonsense about actually its a great pieceof footage because iphone cameras that happened in i think two different threads, separately because i wouldn't blame you if you did, but you also can't tell me there weren't posters WHO I'M NOT SAYING WERE YOU BECAUSE I DONT THINK YOU SAID THIS who were vehemently defending that footage as being the best representation of what happened i'm emphasizing this again, i don't think you're one of these people, but there were absolutely posters who got real ride or die on that video being one hundred percent accurate and good and true this isn't to say uber manipulated the footage! because i think that's stupid too!
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:there were absolutely posters who got real ride or die on that video being one hundred percent accurate and good and true The video is accurate and true, it shows the vehicle failing to respond to a person in front of it. You’re arguing against yourself, nobody is making outrageous claims or defending Uber in any way. Nobody said Uber wasn’t at fault, you just started arguing against anyone who dared to say that the video footage wasn’t misleading. Feel free to quote the people you’re railing against, I think you’ll find that you’re projecting your assumptions onto whoever is a convenient target. Edit: My conspiracy theory about the accident is that Uber isn’t using all the sensor data to make decisions. Or at the very least they’ve tuned down the lidar weight because lidar performs poorly in adverse weather situations. ElCondemn fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Mar 24, 2018 |
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Mar 24, 2018 05:29
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Clearly it was a CIA false flag to help the Democrats begin the process of government takeover of Silicon Valley
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ElCondemn posted:Really? Because they go into analysis of headlight distance, and how the driver should've seen the person 4 seconds before impact. Yet we never see the driver look away for more than 4 seconds. I don't see anywhere that they're implying that. They openly conclude that the camera just wasn't configured well for nighttime recording, and make absolutely no attempt whatsoever to imply any nefarious intent behind it. As far as I can tell, you just made that up out of thin air so you could accuse the person who posted the link of being a conspiracy theorist. Someone posted some useful and pertinent context for the video, and you're challenging everyone who comments on it to internet fights while demanding that they convince you of the relevance of that context.
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ElCondemn posted:So we shouldn’t automate because truck drivers will turn into nazis? This seems pretty stupid, there have been many technological revolutions in the past several hundred years yet we still keep finding poo poo for people to do (in fact every revolution creates more poo poo to do). I understand people think there is a finite amount of work to be done, but I just don’t see that happening. People will always want things and others will always be providing. If I understand correctly, automated vehicles are single-digit years away from putting a million+ truck drivers out of a job. What, specifically, do you propose these people do? Where do they all work that provides the same level of income? Absent a real social safety net, then yes, the alt-right provides a convenient outlet for that sense of futility and frustration. Your snide dismissal and blind assertion that “we keep finding poo poo for people to do” is a textbook example of the pollyanna techno utopian bullshit that’s led us to the dystopian world we’re living in right now. Like I said, there’s a lot of cool poo poo happening in the automation space right now. But if you and your ilk can’t be assed to send a few minutes thinking through what is going to happen to the millions of people who are affected by this technology, then you might as well close the thread now as we slip closer and closer to the Blade Runner hellscape that we all innately fear is coming. It’s not 1996 anymore. Technology has real-world consequences.
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Kobayashi posted:If I understand correctly, automated vehicles are single-digit years away from putting a million+ truck drivers out of a job. What, specifically, do you propose these people do? Where do they all work that provides the same level of income? Absent a real social safety net, then yes, the alt-right provides a convenient outlet for that sense of futility and frustration. Your snide dismissal and blind assertion that “we keep finding poo poo for people to do” is a textbook example of the pollyanna techno utopian bullshit that’s led us to the dystopian world we’re living in right now. Like I said, there’s a lot of cool poo poo happening in the automation space right now. But if you and your ilk can’t be assed to send a few minutes thinking through what is going to happen to the millions of people who are affected by this technology, then you might as well close the thread now as we slip closer and closer to the Blade Runner hellscape that we all innately fear is coming. It’s not 1996 anymore. Technology has real-world consequences. Who said automated vehicles are single digit years from putting a million truck divers out of business? You're just making assumptions about how quickly these jobs will go away. And worse, you're implying that we need to keep these jobs around otherwise we risk radicalizing the people who are affected. If that's a real problem then we're already hosed because we're putting people out of jobs due to globalization way faster than automation is doing it. My "snide dismissal" is just being realistic, the fact that you think we're living in a dystopian world at the moment means there's nothing that will convince you. If you think the world today is worse off than before the countless technical revolutions we've had (loom, printing pres, steam engine, transistors, cars, internet, the list goes on) you're just crazy. By basically every metric we are better off today than we were in 1996 or any decade prior. ElCondemn fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Mar 24, 2018 |
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boner confessor posted:pretty cool conspiracy theorizing about a crappy dashcam's bad resolution which wasn't even part of the car's sensor suite anyway no-one's been making conspiracy theories boner confessor.
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Mar 24, 2018 08:45
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ElCondemn posted:The video is accurate and true, it shows the vehicle failing to respond to a person in front of it. Glad you cut out the part where I provided the specific example of someone arguing about how the view in the footage was a good representation of what it was filming, wouldn't want you to admit being wrong
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ElCondemn posted:My "snide dismissal" is just being realistic, the fact that you think we're living in a dystopian world at the moment means there's nothing that will convince you. If you think the world today is worse off than before the countless technical revolutions we've had (loom, printing pres, steam engine, transistors, cars, internet, the list goes on) you're just crazy. By basically every metric we are better off today than we were in 1996 or any decade prior. 
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We in 2018 are much better off as income equality gets worse and worse than a decade without smartphones but also without absolutely mind loving student loan debt
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ElCondemn posted:Who said automated vehicles are single digit years from putting a million truck divers out of business? You're just making assumptions about how quickly these jobs will go away. And worse, you're implying that we need to keep these jobs around otherwise we risk radicalizing the people who are affected. If that's a real problem then we're already hosed because we're putting people out of jobs due to globalization way faster than automation is doing it. Automation eliminates more jobs than globalization. People without jobs are more susceptible to radicalization. I don’t want to put that too strongly, ie the “economically disaffected white voters” canard, but come on, if we can’t agree to the fundamentally dystopian tack we’re on with Trump and the disastrously misaligned incentives Google, Facebook, and Twitter are trapped by, then maybe we should back up and restate the goals of this thread.
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Just because we’re better off today doesn’t mean there aren’t serious problems, let’s not pretend like technological progress is making it worse. Everyone having access to a refrigerator is amazing progress, but it’s not the bar we want to aim for.
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I can’t wait until automation takes over comic books and no more human authors are involved. You basically can’t tell the difference as it stands. It’s just cheaper to hire lovely human hacks than robot ones right now.
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Kobayashi posted:If I understand correctly, automated vehicles are single-digit years away from putting a million+ truck drivers out of a job. What, specifically, do you propose these people do? Where do they all work that provides the same level of income? Absent a real social safety net, then yes, the alt-right provides a convenient outlet for that sense of futility and frustration. Your snide dismissal and blind assertion that “we keep finding poo poo for people to do” is a textbook example of the pollyanna techno utopian bullshit that’s led us to the dystopian world we’re living in right now. Like I said, there’s a lot of cool poo poo happening in the automation space right now. But if you and your ilk can’t be assed to send a few minutes thinking through what is going to happen to the millions of people who are affected by this technology, then you might as well close the thread now as we slip closer and closer to the Blade Runner hellscape that we all innately fear is coming. It’s not 1996 anymore. Technology has real-world consequences. How about the left uses these years to create an alternative political impulse to unemployed and disenfranchised..
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Doctor Malaver posted:How about the left uses these years to create an alternative political impulse to unemployed and disenfranchised.. Because the left in America has very little actual power, because there isn't an actual left wing party, but that's a discussion for another thread Regardless, the jobs lost due to automation is still something worth talking about critically
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I was serious, automation is coming to take comic industry jobs: https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/14/samsungs-c-lab-adds-character-to-ai-at-sxsw/ quote:The first concept on show was Toonsquare, which uses AI to convert sentences into cartoons. Like Samsung's AR Emoji, the process starts with a selfie but instead of creating a creepy 3D version of you, it generates a cutesy chibi. A few of us tried this out, and each time the character was a convincing (if unflattering) representation.
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Trabisnikof posted:I was serious, automation is coming to take comic industry jobs: yeah, i'm sure this is gonna replace the comics industry real soon  when i think about how much i love eating icecream, i think scorched desert wasteland
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Condiv posted:yeah, i'm sure this is gonna replace the comics industry real soon Looks as good as a number of popular web comics.
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Trabisnikof posted:I was serious, automation is coming to take comic industry jobs: It works well with Comic books because I swear half their plots are already generated by Markov Chain or Neural Nets fed a series of comic cliches.
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ElCondemn posted:Just because we’re better off today doesn’t mean there aren’t serious problems, let’s not pretend like technological progress is making it worse. Everyone having access to a refrigerator is amazing progress, but it’s not the bar we want to aim for. Really now. Our troubles with income inequality aren't caused by technology - they're caused by people maintaining some quasi-religious dedication to laissez faire capitalism, callously ignoring areas where it has been failing society. Many of those people have been conned into voting against their own interests via right-wing sound bites which flunk the simplest of logical analysis.
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Trabisnikof posted:I was serious, automation is coming to take comic industry jobs: Jeff Lemire watch out, (Shut up)
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Trabisnikof posted:I was serious, automation is coming to take comic industry jobs: microsoft comic chat was ahead of its time
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Waymo announced a manufacturing partnership with Jaguar to build in self-driving capabilities in the assembly line (as opposed to retrofitting) for up to 20k I-Paces (their new electric SUV): https://medium.com/waymo/meet-our-newest-self-driving-vehicle-the-all-electric-jaguar-i-pace-375cecc70eb8 https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/27/17165992/waymo-jaguar-i-pace-self-driving-ny-auto-show-2018 IIRC their previous deal with Chrysler was only in the range of hundreds of units so this is obviously a big jump in scale and seriousness, especially since they're integrating directly into manufacturing. Cicero fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Mar 27, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/automotive_news/status/978639049794625536?s=21 Also, the governor of Arizona has revoked Uber’s permission to test self driving vehicles indefinitely
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Duh? Uber disabled the vehicle safety systems on all of their cars when they retrofitted them because they had their own (horrendously lovely) collision avoidance system.
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Condiv posted:Also, the governor of Arizona has revoked Uber’s permission to test self driving vehicles indefinitely This is clearly the correct move. Uber and other autonomous vehicle companies need to create a compliance/test organization that can do third party public testing to prove they should be allowed back on the streets. They either deal with this problem themselves or they'll have a real tough time convincing local governments to let them operate. Baronash posted:Duh? Uber disabled the vehicle safety systems on all of their cars when they retrofitted them because they had their own (horrendously lovely) collision avoidance system. quote:"The video released by the police seems to demonstrate that even the most basic building block of an autonomous vehicle system, the ability to detect and classify objects, is a challenging task," Mobileye CEO Amnon Shashua wrote on Intel's website. "It is this same technology that is required, before tackling even tougher challenges, as a foundational element of fully autonomous vehicles of the future." Apparently this rear end in a top hat is pretending like Uber is just dealing with a hard problem, even though they successfully ship a product that does the same thing... every major car manufacturer has this type of technology and it's active in a huge number of models on the road today. ElCondemn fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Mar 27, 2018 |
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ElCondemn posted:This is clearly the correct move. Uber and other autonomous vehicle companies need to create a compliance/test organization that can do third party public testing to prove they should be allowed back on the streets. They either deal with this problem themselves or they'll have a real tough time convincing local governments to let them operate. I think in the context, he's saying "if our software could do it with your lovely rear end second-hand video, uber's software blows" since they detected her but Uber never did. quote:Intel's Mobileye, which makes chips and sensors used in collision-avoidance systems and is a supplier to Aptiv, said Monday that it tested its own software after the crash by playing a video of the Uber incident on a television monitor. So buy our software!
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Trabisnikof posted:I think in the context, he's saying "if our software could do it with your lovely rear end second-hand video, uber's software blows" since they detected her but Uber never did. Ah, I get it, he's taking a jab at them by calling it a "hard problem" since it's literally the one thing autonomous cars are supposed to do well right now.
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edit: beaten / nmElCondemn posted:Apparently this rear end in a top hat is pretending like Uber is just dealing with a hard problem, even though they successfully ship a product that does the same thing... every major car manufacturer has this technology and it's active in a huge number of models on the road today. https://www.slashgear.com/intel-responds-to-uber-self-driving-accident-with-critical-analysis-26524489/
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I just found out about Tacotron -- apparently the name for Google's text-to-speech system that's being researched -- and this poo poo is crazy, way more advanced and natural-sounding than I thought we were at: https://google.github.io/tacotron/publications/global_style_tokens/index.html This page is mostly about style transfer, mimicking a speaker's speech patterns for arbitrary text. Check out the samples for Style 2 under Short Web Search Responses, they're hilarious. Here's the main page for Tacotron with some more links: https://google.github.io/tacotron/
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ElCondemn posted:This is clearly the correct move. Uber and other autonomous vehicle companies need to create a compliance/test organization that can do third party public testing to prove they should be allowed back on the streets. They either deal with this problem themselves or they'll have a real tough time convincing local governments to let them operate. Uh, the gently caress? The absolutely last thing we need is some fee-based third party organization to deal with compliance. I saw this poo poo in food safety first hand and it’s little more than two different companies fighting for client fees in exchange for certifications rather than putting the consumers first. The certifying org needs to be a well funded government agency, not some opaque, private group. Come on now.
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Bloomberg is claiming that "labor productivity" isn't keeping up with the growth of industrial automation what the gently caress definition of "labor productivity" are they using to make these claims? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-10/robots-are-now-everywhere-except-in-the-productivity-statistics The article is really badly written, they seem to be implying that AI and machine learning are being taken into account in these stats...
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ElCondemn posted:Bloomberg is claiming that "labor productivity" isn't keeping up with the growth of industrial automation what the gently caress definition of "labor productivity" are they using to make these claims? Labor productivity is basically output divided by hours worked. At the nation level it is GDP/hours worked. So automation can increase productivity by increasing output while keeping hours the same. Or by keeping output the same while lowering hours worked.
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ElCondemn posted:Bloomberg is claiming that "labor productivity" isn't keeping up with the growth of industrial automation what the gently caress definition of "labor productivity" are they using to make these claims? It means that despite the drastic rise in automation over the past ten years, the amount of profitable stuff being produced has essentially flatlined. This chart from the original blog post should be a bit more clear (though it's hard to make sense of the units):  As you can see, the number of robots in industrial manufacturing has risen drastically since 2009, but the number or value of things produced has been stuck at early-90s levels for the last decade. This suggests that rather than using automation to increase production by allowing companies to accomplish more with the same amount of workers, companies are just using automation to eliminate workers and aren't interested in increasing production. That means lots of bad things! For instance, most pro-automation arguments rely on the fact that in basically every previous wave of major automation, productivity skyrocketed, which meant that the economy grew, companies expanded, and employers actually hired more workers to operate the machines as they expanded. The automation just served to help fill unmet demand, and made it more affordable and practical for companies to expand and hire more workers. Many pro-automation arguments assume that this will always happen, and that we therefore don't need to worry about the effects of automation on employment. But that's not happening this time. Productivity is not going up, which means companies aren't expanding their operations, which means that they're firing workers rather than hiring them. That's not good.
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That chart is comparing the number of industrial robots (going up!), the number of patents on industrial robots (also going up, but slower!), and the yearly sales value of the industrial robot industry (going down!). I have no idea why anyone not in the business of making industrial robots would care about those things and it has nothing to do with production in the larger economy.
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Foxfire_ posted:That chart is comparing the number of industrial robots (going up!), the number of patents on industrial robots (also going up, but slower!), and the yearly sales value of the industrial robot industry (going down!). No, the "Computer and Industrial Machinery" category doesn't mean "industrial robots" it means: quote:Industry Group 351: Engines And Turbines So the concept that "more robots doesn't mean more productivity" in this sector does have wider implications
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Trabisnikof posted:No, the "Computer and Industrial Machinery" category doesn't mean "industrial robots" it means: Does this mean that because production has flatlined we're losing growth in these industries to globalization or something? I don't understand why that number is unmoving, demand is increasing for these good so it should all be rising as our population grows, no?
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