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Welcome, fans of hip nerd cultural icon Magic: The Gathering. For 2018, Wizards of the Coast is introducing a new format: BRAWL. A gross, disfigured hybrid of Standard and Arena (and also backported to MODO, for the 3 people left playing it). The rules are fairly simple:
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Mar 23, 2018 03:47
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I actually don't think it's a terrible idea. I don't really like that it's standard and rotating, but 60 card singleton with commander rules seems cool and good. comedy option: Karn as commander. Can you even build a good deck in this format that's absolutely colorless? Realistically I could see myself building a deck around one of the bug Gods or Jhoira or something. Framboise fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Mar 23, 2018 |
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Mar 23, 2018 03:50
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Matsuri posted:Can you even build a good deck in this format that's absolutely colorless? Technically, yes, but it will be awful because you'll have like 20 lands.
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Mar 23, 2018 03:53
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I'm on board for this format. I had previously built a series of decks to play with friends casually that followed Duel Deck construction rules -- max 2 of any given common/uncommon, max 1 of any rare/mythic, and a general split of 7 rares / 13 uncommons / 17 commons, with decks covering everything from planeswalkers to guilds. We tweaked them for balance over time and they're a blast to play with. This format feels very similar, and I'm looking forward to A. building a deck for it and trying it out, and B. adapting my older decks to a similar structure, even if they won't be purely standard legal (I'll compensate by balancing them internally). My guess is I'll start by looking at the planeswalker batch. I'm interested to see if there's anything worth doing with the planeswalkers who have multiple signature spells from planeswalker decks already in standard. Probably not enough there, but that won't stop me from trying. e: Re: Karn, yeah, you're kind of screwed without Wastelands in the format.
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Mar 23, 2018 04:02
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Preliminary decklist: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-god-pharoahs-brawl-1/?cb=1521776145
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Mar 23, 2018 04:38
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Toshimo posted:Preliminary decklist: seems to be 404'd
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Mar 23, 2018 04:40
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Matsuri posted:seems to be 404'd Fixed
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Mar 23, 2018 04:45
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What's a good Commander with a WB color identity that I can use to make a durdly-assed valuetown deck in this format
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Mar 23, 2018 05:08
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Jenny Angel posted:What's a good Commander with a WB color identity that I can use to make a durdly-assed valuetown deck in this format Under that color identity, Kambal or Vona. (There are only 3 options, lol) e: I guess if you're going for durdle then perhaps Elenda is a better option.
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Mar 23, 2018 05:30
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Seems to me the limited cardpool will make most "competitive" decks in the format feel quite similar.
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Mar 23, 2018 05:30
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There are 19 mana-producing lands with a colorless identity in standard including dominaria spoilers, we might get one or two more but that's still pretty drat bleak. Best case scenario is they reprint wastes but I don't really see that happening anytime soon tbh.Jenny Angel posted:What's a good Commander with a WB color identity that I can use to make a durdly-assed valuetown deck in this format Here you go. Kambal and Vona are likely your best bets. Rinkles posted:Seems to me the limited cardpool will make most "competitive" decks in the format feel quite similar. Yeah it's just gonna be a bunch of durdly midrange-control piles with no solid theme. Maybe Merfolk tribal or some poo poo will be good enough but who knows.
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Mar 23, 2018 05:31
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Toshimo posted:Preliminary decklist: Momentary blink is illegal isn't it? Being white and all. e: also Cast Out
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Mar 23, 2018 05:57
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toshimos list posted:Cast Out -> Cast Down Momentary Blink -> Blink of an Eye they're placeholders
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Mar 23, 2018 06:11
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Oh right, missed that
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Mar 23, 2018 06:12
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Best thing I can think of for this off the top of my head is UB Scarab God Eternalize Valuetown.
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Mar 23, 2018 13:59
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If this format ends up being more fun than Standard, I see myself wanting to be the Timmy of my LGS who always brings in Zacama or Gishath as my Commander. (Also, that thread title is the best  )
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Mar 23, 2018 14:22
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I am interested in this product or format. Will Planeswalkers be much more powerful compared to Legendary Creatures though?
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Mar 23, 2018 16:39
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Smashing Link posted:I am interested in this product or format. Will Planeswalkers be much more powerful compared to Legendary Creatures though? Depends on whether the creature or the planeswalker is good or not.
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Mar 23, 2018 16:45
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Toshimo posted:(and also backported to MODO, for the 3 people left playing it). Is MTGO really dying? (not whining, just curious) As for Brawl, it looks ok. Is it intended for 1v1 or multiplayer?
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Mar 23, 2018 17:06
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Gynovore posted:Is MTGO really dying? (not whining, just curious) Expect MODO to be dead once Arena launches. People aren't going to invest in 3 ecosystems (paper, MODO, Arena). Gynovore posted:As for Brawl, it looks ok. Is it intended for 1v1 or multiplayer? The stated intent from Gavin is multi, but we'll see if that's actually a thing on Arena (the actual target of the format).
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Mar 23, 2018 17:11
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Matsuri posted:Depends on whether the creature or the planeswalker is good or not. Come to think if it this might be the time to start speccing on planeswalkers that might be popular in this new format. It seems the 3 color ones in particular may see prices rise. EDIT: I have made a terrible mistake Smashing Link fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Mar 23, 2018 |
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Mar 23, 2018 18:19
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Smashing Link posted:Come to think if it this might be the time to start speccing on planeswalkers that might be popular in this new format. It seems the 3 color ones in particular may see prices rise. Neither of those are standard legal tho?
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Mar 23, 2018 18:25
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This is my first, probably really bad attempt at putting together a deck for this format Commander 1x Scarab God Creatures 1x Walking Ballista 1x Ornithopter 1x Mist Cloaked Herald 1x Slither Blade 1x Dusk Legion Zealot 1x Kitesail Freebooter 1x Warkite Marauder 1x Champion of Wits 1x Yahenni, Undying Partisan 1x Bone Picker 1x Hostage Taker 1x Ravenous Chupacabra 1x Noxious Gearhulk 1x Tetzimoc, Primal Death Enchantment 1x Arguel’s Blood Fast 1x Riddleform 1x Search for Azcanta 1x Waterknot 1x Torment of Scarabs Instant 1x Fatal Push 1x Opt 1x Unsummon 1x Essence Scatter 1x Negate 1x Rush of Vitality 1x Disallow 1x Supreme Will 1x Vraska’s Contempt 1x Hour of Glory 1x Hieroglyphic Illumination Sorcery 1x Walk The Plank 1x Chart a course 1x Bontu’s Last Reckoning Artifact 1x Cultivator’s Caravan 1x God Pharoah’s Gift 1x Panharmonicon 1x The Immortal Sun 1x Treasure Map Land 1x Evolving Wilds 1x Drowned Catacomb 1x Fetid Pools 9x island 9x swamp
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Mar 23, 2018 18:27
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Retromancer posted:Neither of those are standard legal tho? I would absolutely love to play Bant Tamiyo though. 
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Mar 23, 2018 21:25
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Maybe I'm an idiot, but it seems like Wizards created Brawl to have a version of Commander which they have full control over, as opposed to Sheldon 'n' friends. Or maybe they would just rather have us using the $ever-rotating$ Standard cardset.
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Mar 24, 2018 19:09
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Gynovore posted:Maybe I'm an idiot, but it seems like Wizards created Brawl to have a version of Commander which they have full control over, as opposed to Sheldon 'n' friends. Watch you don't cut yourself on that edge. They made it so that they can have a Commander-style format on Arena.
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Mar 24, 2018 19:16
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Does land math change for a 59 card deck?
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Mar 24, 2018 20:39
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Toshimo posted:Watch you don't cut yourself on that edge. They made it so that they can have a Commander-style format on Arena. This is ultimately why I'm cool with it. I'm probably not going to play brawl in paper because keeping up with standard is kind of a pain, but if I can F2P it from home, it has my attention.
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Mar 24, 2018 21:36
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wake me up when the bug gods rotate out lol
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Mar 24, 2018 23:16
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I've thrown together a bad Hapatra go-wide for brawl. Fortunately built mostly out of the leavings from draft and the sealed pre-releases. This seems like an interesting experiment.
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Mar 25, 2018 00:09
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Well this was literally my first thought when I heard this format's announcement and lo and behold a test game or two of it on cockatrice proved it as miserable as I was expectingquote:// Standard Brawl
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Mar 25, 2018 01:59
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Pls define "miserable", because it looks like your deck rolls over immediately to countermagic, which is indeed miserable in a control-heavy environment.
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Mar 25, 2018 02:08
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Toshimo posted:Pls define "miserable", because it looks like your deck rolls over immediately to countermagic, which is indeed miserable in a control-heavy environment. I mean so does nearly every non-blue deck in existence? I mean I'll admit that I literally just shoved every white gently caress-you into the deck without much planning or tuning but it seems to be working currently. I put as much effort into this as this format warrants.
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Mar 25, 2018 02:17
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My group of friends is going to try out an alternate to the Brawl format next week. The idea of a limited card pool isn't bad, compared to the ocean of EDH/Commander, but none of us play the current standard. We all had eras during which we did play standard though (often different eras), so we're going to play build-your-own-brawl where each player picks a standard/type 2 format from the past for their Brawl deck.
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Mar 25, 2018 23:51
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Toshimo posted:Expect MODO to be dead once Arena launches. People aren't going to invest in 3 ecosystems (paper, MODO, Arena). Arena won't have cube therefore arena is bad.
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Mar 26, 2018 04:46
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Cross-post from the MtG thread, but this https://twitter.com/jay13x/status/9...D964%23lastpost has me thinking she might be a good Brawl Commander, since she can repeatedly fetch you Teferi
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Mar 26, 2018 20:02
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Corbeau posted:My group of friends is going to try out an alternate to the Brawl format next week. The idea of a limited card pool isn't bad, compared to the ocean of EDH/Commander, but none of us play the current standard. We all had eras during which we did play standard though (often different eras), so we're going to play build-your-own-brawl where each player picks a standard/type 2 format from the past for their Brawl deck. I played a few Modern brawl games with my buddies on the weekend and it was pretty fun. It seemed to flow a bit more quickly than our usual commander games, and sticking to modern meant there wasn't as much degenerate fast mana. I played a poking-the-bears megrim deck with Angrath, the Flame Chained and a Selesnya tokens deck with Huatli, Radiant Champion.
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Mar 26, 2018 20:37
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TheChirurgeon posted:Cross-post from the MtG thread, but this Why not cut out the middle woman and just make Teferi your commander? Ps- Teferi owns
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Mar 26, 2018 20:42
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whydirt posted:Why not cut out the middle woman and just make Teferi your commander? Because she can pull Teferi from the graveyard and she's cheaper to cast, with a 2/2 body.
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Mar 26, 2018 20:44
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TheChirurgeon posted:Cross-post from the MtG thread, but this I sorta wish she could search for any Teferi planeswalker so she could grab the Dominara Teferi as well, but that would probably be pretty broken.
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Mar 26, 2018 20:52
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