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General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend

comedyblissoption posted:

he's wrong b/c the movie was about winning a lottery ticket to get rich because that's what the protagonist ended up doing even though the movie makes a weird big deal about him not doing it immediately and delaying getting his mega-billionaire winnings for like 10 minutes

He divides his kingdom between himself and four of his friends, a move that has historically always worked and led to long-term stability.

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Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


comedyblissoption posted:

he's wrong b/c the movie was about winning a lottery ticket to get rich because that's what the protagonist ended up doing even though the movie makes a weird big deal about him not doing it immediately and delaying getting his mega-billionaire winnings for like 10 minutes

The point of the “fakeout” isn’t that Wade is refusing the fortune, it’s that he’s doing it alone, which was Halliday’s own regret. It’s not very well communicated though.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Comrade Fakename posted:

The point of the “fakeout” isn’t that Wade is refusing the fortune, it’s that he’s doing it alone, which was Halliday’s own regret. It’s not very well communicated though.
a huge issue with this is that IOI, the antagonists, may have done something similar since it was a corporation with multiple major shareholders

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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DC Murderverse posted:

hey guys can someone c/d this post one of my facebook friends made:

When you stab up you can do anything

Ape Agitator
Feb 19, 2004

Soylent Green is Monkeys
College Slice
I thought this wasn't bad. It's definitely not pushing any boundaries in terms of virtual worlds the big discrepancies between an online and offline person are no larger than a very visually acceptable birthmark and female-as-male gender swap but it had some nice interpretations of video games for movies. WoW gold farmers is a pretty big part of the plot and setting. I kind of liked the video game ideas presented in Jumanji better but it's not bad.

I was more than a little surprised by how little the 80s pop culture figured into the overall plot. There's a few moments where they point out the references by name and it goes over like a lead balloon but the majority just exist visually and that's fine. The complaint that Overwatch or the Iron Giant don't fit aren't really appropriate because they're characters from other players who have different aesthetics. It all fits well enough and fits the nonsense communities I'm around (like here).

It's just okay. It's nowhere near a Crystal Skull, which I was more than a little concerned about.

Kangra
May 7, 2012

AndyElusive posted:


Also a character is straight up shown words as part of a dispel magic phrase and the first word to it is ANAL but she pronounces it "AH NAL".

Maybe it was your point, but it's a reference. (Movie Excalibur and/or video game Dungeon of Doom, in which I think it was 'anal nutrak' or some other alteration from Excalibur but I don't recall and don't care). I don't know the book, but the 372 Pages We'll Never Get Back mentioned that Cline's references are likely as not second-hand like that.

The Biggest Jerk
Nov 25, 2012
It seems fine to me that the movie doesn't deeply address the partly dystopian future and try to wrangle out a solution to fix it all. If it did it that all while trying to keep it as an accessible film for everyone yet dedicate enough screen time to do the subject matter any justice, you'd end up with a hot mess that leaves no one happy. Not saying it's not worth discussing though. All in all a 7-8/10 for me, would have been 8.5/10 but decreased mainly for the unnecessary romance and disappointment that she wasn't a 300 pound Chuck, (which honestly would had more potential) Also the inner neckbeard in my also scoffed at how long it took for people to figure out the first clue. You just know someone would have reversed in the first game for the hell of it.

The Biggest Jerk fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Mar 31, 2018

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

The Biggest Jerk posted:

Also the inner neckbeard in my also scoffed at how long it took for people to figure out the first clue. You just know someone would have reversed in the first game for the hell of it.
people would've definitely started crawling every single inch of the map on a racetrack that hasn't been even completed for years

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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A lot of things would’ve made this movie better, but a big one would’ve been removing the stacks and that whole super dystopia angle and just keep it about everyone being obsessed with this game to get though their own personal lives.

Not so much to escape a worse overall reality.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


The story is that the 80's have to band together to fight Comcast and the tone is a kid's movie for guys in their mid-30's and above. That this plays really poorly with most people just seven years later says a lot about how much society has changed since 2011.

Story-wise it's a little scattershot, in that popular culture began in 1979 and apparently ceased to exist after about 1991.

CelticPredator posted:

A lot of things would’ve made this movie better, but a big one would’ve been removing the stacks and that whole super dystopia angle and just keep it about everyone being obsessed with this game to get though their own personal lives.

Not so much to escape a worse overall reality.

The whole movie is telling you that you live in the stacks right now and says that there's no difference. Everyone works for whoever bought their debt, and your debtor can enslave you on a whim by summarily placing you into the prison system.

About the only thing that's different is that the third world is now the entire world, because the corporations won a victory that the movie tells you is impending, and the only escape is now vain diversions celebrating a past preserved in amber by Blizzard Entertainment's art direction.

Tezzeract
Dec 25, 2007

Think I took a wrong turn...

CelticPredator posted:

A lot of things would’ve made this movie better, but a big one would’ve been removing the stacks and that whole super dystopia angle and just keep it about everyone being obsessed with this game to get though their own personal lives.

Not so much to escape a worse overall reality.

I think as a (ex?)gamer, RPO hits close to home. I have personally played games as an escape from reality - the real world can be really lovely and virtual worlds can give you a sense of achievement that's lacking irl. It's a stretch to say virtual achievement can solve real world economic problems, but that's the fantasy right?

Overall, I love this movie. RPO's Oasis gives you the experience of being involved in a virtual world: the wonder of entering a big virtual world, meeting random internet people and questing together. Meeting online personalities like the trash talking Aech and i-Rok.

The iOi is the embodiment what gamers tend to get annoyed at and get upset about on Reddit. The Razer/Electronic Arts selling you sick gamer gear (haptic sensor suits) from one hand and payday loans from the other... with global domination aspirations by selling microtransactions.

Arguably there it the other darker side of Gamergate and the tyranny of the nerd ubermensch CEOs from Silicon Valley which isn't represented here - hopefully this comes in the sequel?

I know there will be people who just don't get it and that's fine. But if you are ever interested in the internal lives of gaming nerds/otakus, this movie is a great entry point.

Tezzeract fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Mar 31, 2018

TheCoach
Mar 11, 2014
Welp, going to see this now.

I fully expect this but a movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9W6bnsDaeI

Tommy 2.0
Apr 26, 2008

My fabulous CoX shall live forever!
Spielberg absolutely should not have been the person directing this.

The book was full of low-hanging fruit after my feels and I LOVED it. I didn't care. And even though this was a movie BASED on a book, as long as it got the feel right, I would have been happy.

It did not get the feel right.

Spielberg was way to out of touch as to what made people gush after the book. Sadly, this was a huge misstep and stuff like Scott Pilgrim did it way better.

The Shining was seriously badass though. The book was full of stuff like that. Don't know how they missed doing that for most of the movie.

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I could not stand the Avatar looking main girl and the FF main kid. I wish they just used like less weird designs. It felt like watching SW Rebels

Aladdin
Feb 16, 2011
I don't need 3 dimensional side characters in my already long rear end movie, but in 2018 could we get some Asian characters with characterization that goes beyond "they're like, REALLY Asian."

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Re: Gamer view point

Like I said I get the idea of escaping the reality but I just wish the reality was personal to the characters and not this universally bad world. Like the world was just our world and everyone has their own issues they escape from. Some mundane, and some far more serious.

It would’ve worked with the narrative more. Like Arty’s situation is awful, but Wade’s isn’t that great either. The kid sleeps on a washing machine in the poorest areas in town.

It would’ve been a better contrast if Wade lived in something less over the top.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004

Tommy 2.0 posted:

Spielberg absolutely should not have been the person directing this.

The book was full of low-hanging fruit after my feels and I LOVED it. I didn't care. And even though this was a movie BASED on a book, as long as it got the feel right, I would have been happy.

It did not get the feel right.

Spielberg was way to out of touch as to what made people gush after the book. Sadly, this was a huge misstep and stuff like Scott Pilgrim did it way better.

The Shining was seriously badass though. The book was full of stuff like that. Don't know how they missed doing that for most of the movie.
The "feel" of the book was hugely problematic, and I'm glad he completely changed it. It was a hero's journey based on the worst aspects of nerd culture.

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend

Aladdin posted:

I don't need 3 dimensional side characters in my already long rear end movie, but in 2018 could we get some Asian characters with characterization that goes beyond "they're like, REALLY Asian."

Daito's real name is Toshiro and his avatar is Toshiro Mifune, DO U GET IT???

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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So I adore the score because I can’t get enough of Silvestri’s work, like even his lesser works are dope as hell to me(A-Team yo!), but as I was listening, there’s one moment that I remember that actually worked in the film like a hundred percent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Can5lbvRIGc

At 5:15 the score kicks in hard. This is the scene where Arty has the bomb and chucks it into Sorrento’s Mechagodzilla. There’s so much weight to this moment. This is her revenge against this company that killed her father. It works really well, I thought.

(Also that whole track is kind of rad for the Silvestri Godzilla theme.)

SD87
Jun 7, 2011
This movie was long and i fell asleep and when i woke up it didnt get much better but at least the cgi looked cool in 3d and i didnt have to pay for my ticket becuz i “forgot” my wallet (pwned u sister)

MajorB
Jul 3, 2007
Another stupid '07er
i can't believe steven spielberg made a movie with a big titty furry in it

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend

MajorB posted:

i can't believe steven spielberg made a movie with a big titty furry in it

You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself jerk it to Deviantart

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



This is loving garbage. Just like the book excerpts. References for the sake of references. His character falling in love immediately and then actually being rewarded. The non-resolution of hey, I’m loving rich forever but the rest of the world is poo poo.

gently caress this movie. gently caress Ernest Cline.

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend
Not to say it's necessarily good, but this movie is a lot smarter than it pretends to be. The scene of the people storming the evil corporate castle in the Oasis juxtaposed with the people flailing around in there living rooms irl reminds me nothing more than of a Twitter mob joining forces to bleat about the great injustice that's caught their attention on a given day. You storm the castle. You Make Your Voices Heard (TM). None of it means a drat thing.

MajorB
Jul 3, 2007
Another stupid '07er
"that was bullshit," he said as he angrily threw the remnants of his popcorn in the theater trashcan, "why didn't they end capitalism"

MajorB
Jul 3, 2007
Another stupid '07er
that was such bullshit, what kind of socially awkward internet weirdo would fall in love with a woman who was heavily flirting with him

and i mean, he makes a move that she rejects and gets his family killed, but she likes him in the end and that's just bullshit

MajorB
Jul 3, 2007
Another stupid '07er
and you know what else was bullshit, they made a movie about the internet and textured it with pop culture references, what a bullshit movie, gently caress steven spielberg

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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I mean, the ending sucks and the world still sucks so what exactly did they accomplish? The game won’t have ads on it? Who cares the world is horrible!

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


The Biggest Jerk posted:

It seems fine to me that the movie doesn't deeply address the partly dystopian future and try to wrangle out a solution to fix it all. If it did it that all while trying to keep it as an accessible film for everyone yet dedicate enough screen time to do the subject matter any justice, you'd end up with a hot mess that leaves no one happy. Not saying it's not worth discussing though. All in all a 7-8/10 for me, would have been 8.5/10 but decreased mainly for the unnecessary romance and disappointment that she wasn't a 300 pound Chuck, (which honestly would had more potential) Also the inner neckbeard in my also scoffed at how long it took for people to figure out the first clue. You just know someone would have reversed in the first game for the hell of it.

My inner neckbeard was annoyed at how they couldn’t work out the final challenge. The second they mentioned Adventure it should have been obvious that they have to get the easter egg as anyone who knows a bit about video game history would guess that, let alone someone with a literal team of pop culture historians.

Also, no wonder Halliday hasn’t got any friends if he plays as Oddjob in Goldeneye.

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend
I will say the part where IOI bombs Wade's stack and kills his aunt and a ton of other people comes across hilariously flat and inconsequential. Other than it being the plot device that moves him geographically, it's never addressed until when he tells badguy "you killed my mom's sister" which is kind of a weird, consciously detached way of putting it.

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend

CelticPredator posted:

I mean, the ending sucks and the world still sucks so what exactly did they accomplish? The game won’t have ads on it? Who cares the world is horrible!

It's like when we collectively saved the Xbox One from being online-only with draconian DRM

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



MajorB posted:

that was such bullshit, what kind of socially awkward internet weirdo would fall in love with a woman who was heavily flirting with him

and i mean, he makes a move that she rejects and gets his family killed, but she likes him in the end and that's just bullshit

Are you serious you stunted piece of poo poo?

We first learn of him knowing about her thru twitch streams. Then he meets her and they are buddies. They go to a club to get clues and he proclaims his love for her and she looks on in horror as this loser falls for an avatar.

It’s pathetic. Then they finally meet outside the game and are in total love? gently caress that poo poo.

Also some of the most laziest music references and other bullshit.

The cliche Joy Division shirt. The most overplayed New Order song. Buckaroo Bonzai ain’t poo poo. Hey it’s Goro but with a CHEST BURSTER!! Ughhhh.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Vintersorg posted:

The most overplayed New Order song.

I hate Ernest Cline and RPO as much as the next guy, but I guarantee you that if you mention the band New Order to anybody they'll either have Blue Monday stuck in their head or they won't know who the hell you're talking about. Or inversely, if you mention Blue Monday they'll go "Oh, you mean the Orgy song?".

Because nobody cares about New Order.

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend

Vintersorg posted:

Are you serious you stunted piece of poo poo?

We first learn of him knowing about her thru twitch streams. Then he meets her and they are buddies. They go to a club to get clues and he proclaims his love for her and she looks on in horror as this loser falls for an avatar.

It’s pathetic. Then they finally meet outside the game and are in total love? gently caress that poo poo.

Also some of the most laziest music references and other bullshit.

The cliche Joy Division shirt. The most overplayed New Order song. Buckaroo Bonzai ain’t poo poo. Hey it’s Goro but with a CHEST BURSTER!! Ughhhh.

I know art affects different people in different ways, but I've got to say, you're coming in awfully hot on this extremely unremarkable movie

MajorB
Jul 3, 2007
Another stupid '07er
i don't get it, why would a starstruck internet loner awkwardly proclaim his love for someone who was moments earlier literally all over him

it was so pathetic, even the woman in the movie treated it as such

then there was sexual tension in the movie that culminated in them forming a relationship at the end of the movie, which is the same thing as being totally in love for the entire runtime

i am a stunted piece of poo poo

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Is that how you treat any woman who talks to you MajorB?

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend
I can't believe a movie presented us with two characters becoming romantically involved without first laying the proper groundwork or giving them coherent motivations, they usually do such a good job on that front

MajorB
Jul 3, 2007
Another stupid '07er
why would the protagonist in a movie do something awkward and dumb and purely emotional, and also why did the people in prometheus run away from the rolling ship in a straight line, weren't they supposed to be scientists or something

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Yeah, this is the exact same thing. You got me!

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CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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the love interest was handled a lot better and less creepy than in the book. I was fine with it. They both seemed to care for each other enough that it worked.

Not perfectly but nowhere near how awful the book was.

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