Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡
I’m considering confluence for requirements tracking since I use Jira and bit bucket. Anyone use it to track requirements? Does it allow the use of a linked unique ID like DOORS or MS Project?

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Higgy posted:

Not sure on those integrations but my teams do use confluence to track requirements. The nutshell of it is that we generate software feature pages that have a table of requirements broken down into enough detail and acceptance test language that our devs can work and test them.

Confluence then has a feature that lets you covert a table of detailed requirements into a series of Jira tasks that we can then track or decompose further into sub tasks if needed. This includes a nice two-way thing that shows that task status on the confluence page and gives me an easy status report to run my stand ups with.

I’m not sure if that answers you questions but that’s roughly how I manage my software projects.

This is what I was looking for, thanks! Ill give confluence a try

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Murgos posted:

It really depends on the person.

Being technically savvy doesn't make you a good PM. It also doesn't make you a bad PM. I've seen it go both ways as well as vice-versa that being technically clueless doesn't stop people from being good managers of technical programs.

Generally though, being able to talk intelligently about the technical challenges is a useful skill, it generally ads credibility to your schedule and cost estimates.

If you arent a technical PM though I think you need especially good technical leads who could be decent PMs themselves but dont want to.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Dik Hz posted:

If you're given sufficient instruction, information, and exposure, are you even a project manager any more?

Kidding aside, if a sponsor has the time and understanding to provide those 3 things, they can just assign a matrix employee to it.

I've seen people in the defense industry who are engineers that want to get promoted via the PM route take some PM classes, go through earned value training, or get a systems engineering, engineering management masters or MBA ahead of actually getting much responsibility.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

ilkhan posted:

So much like the guy above, I've got experience in IT, just finished by degree in business which included a class on project management, completed the CAPM, and have no clue where to go from here for a career that includes "project" in the title. So... where do I go from here? I've got some influencing people type books on the way, but looking for some good directional advice beyond that.

Sign up for a job no one else wants. In defense contracting that job is "Cost Account Manager". This is a position usually held by a technical lead that is a precursor to becoming a PM. No one, even PMs, wants to be a CAM. It loving sucks. I was one for a year before I pawned it off on a sucker who wanted to get promoted. I myself used it to get promoted from an Engineer 2 to 3. It sucks, but now I can actually plan a project and know what it feels like when things are going wrong (CPI/SPI <0.95-1.15<) or going right. I can say I actually answered budgeting questions for a customer, and participated in baseline/budget reviews.

These are boring but necessary things for engineers who want to plan\carry out projects in that industry.

CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Jun 3, 2019

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

High Lord Elbow posted:

Every duration estimate you've ever heard is hugely padded, and people's only incentive is to keep you from finding that out. If you lock them in a room and make an intern watch them work, that two-week task will be done before lunch.

Everyone knows that multitasking is hugely counterproductive, but our organizations are typically set up to encourage it.


https://i.imgur.com/PIezOg5.mp4

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Heners_UK posted:

I know what I'm about to say is part of PMing... but loving hell, vendors, appreciate that I occasionally want a straight loving answer without having to spend half an hour describing my project and all the use cases. I get it that you need to know the background but it's possible to take that to far and I know when I'm being fished for Professional Services hours. Did it really have to take that long to organise some relevant staff training for me and my team?

Also, appreciate this thread is here because I moved into this role about 8 months ago and it can feel a bit lonely.

Most of the good PMs I know are lucky to get "begruding respect" out of the engineers working their projects. Its hard to tell someone to deliver something at a precise time they didn't decide and them be like "yea sounds great, you're great".

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡
I’ve been listening to Beyond Reason by Shapiro and Fisher and I’d highly recommend it for the thread. Many ways of solving problems by listening or negotiating it clearly explains and gives a framework to improve on no matter what your role or experience level is.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

TheLawinator posted:

So I've walked into the family business, HVAC contracting, with no experience in PM. We have no software besides quickbooks, meaning physical contract management, paper timecards, paper service tickets that aren't digitized, all that trash. I need to build a system that works for both the new construction side and the service side of the business. Thing is, I don't know where to start other than to ask those of you who are in construction or close enough for any suggestions.

I can't really tell the difference between the wheat and the chaff other than Procore seems nice but costs 550 bucks a month which is a bit rich.

Do not build a system, buy just a few systems that integrate well with the others.

For a small/mid sized business on the HR operations side I highly recommend Rippling. They're nice because not only do they automate everything from an HR side, they integrate with your various softwares. E.g. if you use Asana or Jira for PM they'll ask if you want to create new users during the onboarding workflow. You can add on TSheets for timekeeping as a plugin and its all integrated. They also allow you to assign IT hardware, remotely lock it, etc. in an easy to use way. I use this for my business. As a heads up, the construction industry is easily one of the most sued by its employees industries. Keep excellent time records. Keep backups of emails. Don't tolerate HR bullshit.

For contracts, I'd pick one of the esigning vendors like GetAccept. They are generally pretty cheap.

For the actual project tasks, not sure what that industry uses. I've not used them but for blueprints and construction project management I've heard good things about PlanGrid Procore and Rippling integrate but yea $550/mo, ouch. Asana and Jira are both commonly used for software and are much cheaper. I have a non developer/IT group that uses Jira with Gantt charts to do more traditional PM and I think that'd work fine but can't be sure.

CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jan 3, 2020

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

savesthedayrocks posted:

Sweet, a PM thread.

I was promoted to a “Sr Program Manager” (whatever the hell that is) almost a year ago. I still have no idea what I’m doing. Definitely feeling the imposter syndrome, mostly because my background is in people management and operations where there are clearly defined metrics to hit.

Topping it off, my managers haven’t been PM’s, and even though I work at a bank you’ve heard of I don’t have project software. Other groups use JIRA, so I’ll have to see if I can get access and learn about it.

If there’s a mentor pool out there of people connecting I’m all ears since I can’t put to much out there online.

Jira is really easy to use and has a free tier o think. I use it.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Heners_UK posted:

MS Planner folks... It's the MS Paint of Project Planning. Occasionally great for purpose but want to do anything advance and you'd better be an utter master at it.

Actually, considering some of the MS Paint art out there, I think this really is the analogy for MS Planner.

Do you mean MS project?

MS project is pretty aight for defense projects using waterfall in an environment the absolutely prohibits any integration

Once you can have all you documentation have links to projects and what not with Jira though...no going back

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Oh neat. Yea definitely agree with the MS Paint analogy. REST API looks straightforward though if you need to autogen from a template or something.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Dik Hz posted:

My work just instituted a policy of paying for up to $3k a year in graduate school credits, plus unlimited spend on test prep and test fees for professional certifications. They also are hosting a 5 PDU class on PM fundamentals that I'm signed up for. Looks like I'm getting a free PMP. :toot:

Nice! If this was the corporate thread I'd make a joke about a 4 year requirement for 100% reimbursement.

:):hf::eng101:

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Dik Hz posted:

1 year to qualify and a 12 month prorated clawback period afterwards. Not bad, imho.

Yea thats better than a Fortune 100 company I worked at. One was "ALL classes within 24 months paid back, 2 yr qual" and the other was 1yr/qual, 1yr payback, similar to yours.

I wonder if theres any way to do a very long stint at HBS or Sloan...$3k a year doesnt buy much MBA wise.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Dori posted:

This is a little outside the regular PM scope but I have a project portfolio management problem that I was hoping someone might have a good idea for.

Some background
I am the operations manager of a 90-100 staff professional services company.

We have grown rapidly over the least three years (from 15 to 100) and as a result a lot of new systems, process and projects are underway or have been partially implemented to make us more efficient in how we operate (haha…).

We don’t have a PMO as our consulting work isn’t really “project based” in that way. It’s very much “specialist meets clients, agrees needs, talks to them heaps over 3month to 5 years, we get paid, done”. We have excellent resource management processes for all this and it’s no issue. Where more than one consultant supports a client they us their own project management processes and a range of tools/software to manage that. We don’t mess with that. It’s working fine.

We do however have a ton of internal ‘projects’ underway to change the way we do things and we have a mountain of new business processes that have either been designed on the fly or only run for one FY cycle so need a ton of ironing out. Because most of our staff are consultants out in the field, they have no time to support these projects. So almost all of it is done by a small number of managers and internal business support roles (think 6-10 people). We need a way to better plan, prioritise and track:

  • What internal projects we have on the go, who’s leading them and when the big milestones/deliverables/activities are due
  • When new business processes create big chunks of work for key teams/leaders (e.g. annual budget cycles, board reporting cycles, quality assessment cycles for client work, professional development days/weeks for consultants etc)
  • How these various activities do (or don’t) align to our strategic objectives


what I’m wanting to find
Ideally, I’d like a fairly simple tool where I can enter what is happening (projects/processes), who is in charge (by person or team/business group), what the key milestones are and what strategic goals it relates to.

I’d then like to be able to map the key milestones across the year so I can adjust deadlines/milestones, understand issues around conflicting work/workload and actually cull some of the stuff we really don’t need be doing. The biggest issue really is understanding what key activities/milestones currently happen when (i.e. which month) and whether this makes sense in the grand-scheme of things.

I do not need a project management tool. I don’t need resource management on a person by person basis. I don’t need any financial, budget etc info. But it’s not as simple as just having a board of “in progress” and “backlog” because we don’t run on an agile basis and operational business activity doesn’t happen in sprints.

Tons of the big PPM tools available have what I need but they are WAY WAY too big given they do a million other things as well. Plus that comes with a jolly big price-tag and we are looking for something which the CEO, CFO and I can use not something we want to roll out to the whole business. Project management tools on the other hand require way too much detail to give me a wrap up/high level view when I don’t care about HOW this works gets done. I only care about IF and When (usually what month not what day) it gets done.

Any ideas/suggestions would be much appreciated.


PS: here’s a picture of what this planning process looks like on paper on a whiteboard. I.e. one post-it per milestone with project name on top and in swim lanes by lead team/group. This was taken when we got about 10% of the way through and got sick of writing the same post-it’s out over and over but it does work well for visualising everything that is on the go. I would be very happy with this in digital format with the ability hide/show post-it’s based on project/team/individual/strategic link etc for future tracking purposes.



I know you’re saying basically NOT JIRA but JIRA cloud with the big gantt plug-in seems like it’s what you want and doesn’t not cost much.

This combo will let you do more waterfall style PM in JIRA which it sounds like achieves your goals.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Higgy posted:

It’s extremely common to be an individual contributor in addition to PM.

Yep.

Cant speak for IT but in defense someone will usually get more and more PM related activities and small projects delegated to them by a true PM before becoming one themself. During that time they will still be doing technical work. Similar is true for becoming a manager. Most US defense orgs have a matrix style structure so people will do their technical work while having 10-20 matrixed direct reports before becoming a full time manager.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

angry armadillo posted:

Its thin ice because I am not my colleagues boss and I have to tell our boss if stuff needs attention,

Ultimately my aim is to move into the wider business as a PM,

This is how most people get in to PM roles in my limited experience. You tend to get the responsibility without the title first.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Knight2m posted:

I am 1.5 classes away from getting my Master's degree (paid through my company). Did I just waste my time?

What’s the degree in?

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

This is upsetting

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Dik Hz posted:

You use the same poo poo for estimating your effort for qualifying for a PMP as you would when planning resource estimates for a project.

Make up whatever number will win the contract award?

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡
Hey I have a risk management question for the thread.

How would you rate the severity of the below example?

I have a risk that affects the probability of another risk, where the first risk is of low impact but the one it affects is of much higher impact. Here's an example:

A $20M aircraft R&D program has these requirements:
Maximum weight of radar system: 1000 lbs
Max takeoff weight (MTOW) of aircraft: 20,000 lbs

Per the contract: The customer will cancel the program at a MTOW of 20,001 lb and will cancel it without a radar system. If we exceed the radar system weight budget, we lose $5k per pound over. (Not a huge impact.)

Current facts as of drafting the risks:
The current radar system model projects a radar system weight of 1500 lbs with an uncertainty of +/- 10%. It WILL be overweight without mitigating steps.
The current projected MTOW with all systems is 19500 with an uncertainty of +/- 25%. It MIGHT be overweight, potentially significantly.

As I see it, the program then has these risks:
IF the MTOW exceeds 20,000 lbs, THEN the program gets canceled. Base prob: 4 (Very Likely) Base Severity: 4 (Very Likely)
IF the radar system exceeds 1000 lbs, THEN it increases the probability the program gets canceled. Base prob: 5 (100% will happen without mitigation) Base severity: (??)
IF the radar system exceeds 1000 lbs, THEN the program will lose $5K per pound over. Base prob: 5, base severity: 1 (Low Impact)

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡
Thanks for the replies. These were base estimation numbers made for the purpose of getting buy in from SMEs. My PM origins are aerospace hence this example but the actual real world is litigation where there are conflicting risks in acting AND in not acting, and the risk of action has this situation where one affects the other. Using risk management has helped get buy-in from attorneys on how to proceed despite very strong opinions about proceeding leading to "potential" catastrophes either way.

I figure I'll throw my two cents into the ring on 5s as well. 5 severity means a human person is killed, injured or, in legal context, goes to jail. A $20M program cancellation is a 4 severity at a bigish defense company. It's a lot of money but most everyone will still work there. In our context the firm shutting down is probably also a 5, but anything less is a 4.

A 5 probability means its GOING to happen. In this example the radar overweight probability is a 5 but the plane overweight is a 4 probability, arguably a 3 depending on context of the other systems and how the MTOW is calculated. Its stillin the DEEP READ PROGRAM KILLER section of the graph.

In the end, after reading this thread, the analogous severity to the radar system was the same as the MTOW risk. If the program killer is a 4, then the thing that MIGHT drive the program killer is a 4.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Crazyweasel posted:

I’ve always been a fan of if your risk probability is >50% then you make it a reality and file the opportunity.

“We are going to lose the contract for being overweight, but we have an opportunity to keep it by actually solving the problem!”

I can win life by not pilfering a uranium rod in my pants is a dumbass way of turning a risk into an :airquote: opportunity :airquote:.

EDIT: Maybe its the mil defense mental framework barking here but opportunities are chances to reduce CPI/SPI below customer expected levels (usually sub 1.0 or at the very least save money/schedule on some subcomponent of the WBS) and likely net some contractual award from it. If your program is CPI 1.25 because of realized risks that you (read: your predecessor) failed to miitigate... successfuly mitigating them to 1.2 doesn't create an opportunity. It means you didnt do your job successfully (perhaps because it was impossible to do so).

Opportunities are traceable to exceeding expectations in the contract measurable by CPI/SPI/incentive award realization. Else, they're risks.

CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Mar 18, 2023

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡
I'm drunk and lollin at "doesnt invoke Nunn–McCurdy" logged as an opportunity.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Dik Hz posted:

If you’re making up your own definitions then sure you can label it whatever you want.

Also lol at using a PM’s initial risk assessment matrix in litigation.

E: also I will add that getting a project team to dicker on whether something is a 4 or 5 and then coming in with “well actually because of the definition I made up in my head, it’s really a 7” is so perfectly apropos to real life project management than I’m honestly impressed.

None of this accurately describes the purpose or events. I agree with the previous poster who said your comments can seem needlessly hostile. You and Motronic should hang out

CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Mar 19, 2023

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply