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Union savvy goons, my work has just told us in writing that we aren't allowed to use our phones on our breaks. That's a bunch of poo poo right? They are weirdo paid non breaks though, 20 minutes where you still have to serve customers.
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Apr 3, 2018 15:20
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Zenithe posted:Union savvy goons, my work has just told us in writing that we aren't allowed to use our phones on our breaks. That's a bunch of poo poo right? My immediate instinct is that they can't make you work on a non-paid break. I'd also forward the phone bit to the relevant union.
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Apr 3, 2018 15:22
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Starshark posted:My immediate instinct is that they can't make you work on a non-paid break. I'd also forward the phone bit to the relevant union. Sorry, should have hyphenated, I meant paid non-break. Also the relevant union, or at least the one who did our agreement, is the SDA....
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Apr 3, 2018 15:24
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Zenithe posted:Sorry, should have hyphenated, I meant paid non-break. Also the relevant union, or at least the one who did our agreement, is the SDA.... Sems like an ideal time to dump the SDA and join RAFFWU
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Apr 3, 2018 15:28
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I'm curious what the rationale for that is. Edit: Oh I misread. It's not a loving break of you're expected to serve customers, though. Wtf. Also, most people don't have watches these days, how do they expect people to check the time?
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Apr 3, 2018 15:46
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NTRabbit posted:Sems like an ideal time to dump the SDA and join RAFFWU a.k.a. any day ending in y.
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Apr 3, 2018 15:48
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They're called "crib breaks" or something stupid. It's where the few seconds of peace in between customers count as your 'break' so the company doesn't actually have to provide staff overlap or any other means to ensure you actually have a "break" in anything other than name. EDIT: According to SDA's own site: quote:Employers may not: However, the SDA also acknowledges that your specific award can completely ignore all of that if, for example, you union is a bunch of loving hacks more interested in political manoeuvring and homophobia than representing the needs of their members. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Apr 3, 2018 |
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Apr 3, 2018 15:50
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Yeah, EBA calls it a crib break. Instead of an unpaid break, you get a paid 20 minute break where you "must maintain customer service" i.e. not a break. And now we apparently can't check our phones during it.
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Apr 3, 2018 15:55
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Gorilla Salad posted:They're called "crib breaks" or something stupid. That.... Does not sound legal... Oh. SDA. Right. Check the award.
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Apr 3, 2018 15:55
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Zenithe posted:Yeah, EBA calls it a crib break. Instead of an unpaid break, you get a paid 20 minute break where you "must maintain customer service" i.e. not a break. And now we apparently can't check our phones during it. Go to the toilet, bring your phone with you.
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Apr 3, 2018 15:56
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Gorilla Salad posted:They're called "crib breaks" or something stupid. Hahahahah holy poo poo. that's terrible.
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Apr 3, 2018 15:57
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Zenithe posted:Yeah, EBA calls it a crib break. Instead of an unpaid break, you get a paid 20 minute break where you "must maintain customer service" i.e. not a break. And now we apparently can't check our phones during it. "Staff checking their phones during their crib breaks makes the company look bad. Now, let's see, what can we do... We could.... Provide them with a proper break. Wait nah that costs money, gently caress it, ban phones". What industry is this? I worked a job where the pens kept going missing and they implemented a policy of having to bring or being forced to buy your own pen. For a while I considered bringing in a novelty penis pen and making jokes about "pen is envy" (I was sooooo original at 17, not). The SDA were loving useless about it, too. My coworker who was getting her master's in HR wrote a strongly worded letter about forcing business costs onto employees and the policy was promptly scrapped. It seems to me most jobs that fall under the SDA as the union have managers who are either bozos or power tripping lizardpeople.
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Apr 3, 2018 16:04
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It's a servo.Gorilla Salad posted:Go to the toilet, bring your phone with you. Just lol if you think I get toilet breaks (I do, but have to time them carefully)
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Apr 3, 2018 16:05
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I put myself through uni working lovely retail jobs - including at a bunch of different servos. I see absolutely nothing has changed in the quarter of a century since then. I think I got taking a poo poo down to just over a minute because shutting the store made the owner freak when he watched the night shift tapes the next day. In those days they even tried to take drive offs out of your wages. I'd say those days are gone, but given what's come out of 7/11s in the past few years, I doubt it.
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Apr 3, 2018 17:51
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Jonah Galtberg posted:ANIDAV. WHEN YOU MAKE A POST SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THIS YOU LINK Sorry I went to bed https://www.theguardian.com/technol...erberg-tim-cook There was a more extensive article by Fairfax before Facebook addressed the leak as a "bug involving drafts" But using any Google search for articles on Facebook is useless given it just brings up Facebook itself lol. But basically the smartphone app automatically uploads what it considers "drafts" to Facebook. Photos, videoes, mic recordings. That's what I read yesterday on Brisbane Times but the article has since died since Facebook called it a "bug"  What's the point of writing an article showing things if the editor will later trash your article to plug Facebook's PR line of attack. The article I read is gone but this one on the guardian is mostly in tact.
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Apr 3, 2018 22:29
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Basically the "bug" let the app flag media it considered a "draft" that hasn't been given to Facebook yet and goes ahead and saves it anyway.
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Apr 3, 2018 22:34
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Zenithe posted:It's a servo. Have we had this conversation before about your crib breaks? They're really dumb and bad but I can't see them getting away with banning personal phone calls and usage on your break. Is this policy or a "negotiated" outcome?
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Apr 3, 2018 22:46
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JBP posted:Have we had this conversation before about your crib breaks? They're really dumb and bad but I can't see them getting away with banning personal phone calls and usage on your break. Is this policy or a "negotiated" outcome? As far as I can see from the two relevant areas of the EBA, the 'break' is a legit part of the agreement, and phones not being used is also part of the agreement, but it does not specify about breaks. I'd link to the agreement but SDA are such hacks the link isn't working right now. e. found it quote:In lieu of providing meal and rest breaks as defined above in sub-clause 10.5.2 quote:Team members may not use mobile telephones in the workplace without the Zenithe fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Apr 3, 2018 |
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Apr 3, 2018 22:55
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Oh to be a casual worker in this fine country, represented by an EBA hard fought and won by their local unioahahahhahahahahaah
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Apr 3, 2018 23:25
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Zenithe posted:As far as I can see from the two relevant areas of the EBA, the 'break' is a legit part of the agreement, and phones not being used is also part of the agreement, but it does not specify about breaks. Critical to the argument is the “crib breaks count as time worked” portion of the excerpt. Unless that changes the company are following the rules. You could argue that if you’re not customer facing (in situations with two people in store) that it’s unreasonable to impose the rule, but first you’d need to see if they enforced it whilst you weren’t in front of customers. Comments above suggest it’s about looking unprofessional as opposed to just not wanting you to use your phone during work hours.
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Apr 3, 2018 23:30
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Pinball Jizzard posted:Critical to the argument is the “crib breaks count as time worked” portion of the excerpt. Unless that changes the company are following the rules.
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Apr 3, 2018 23:41
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If you have to choose between arguing with your boss to graciously allow you to use your phone while you're working during breaks, and finding a new job, you should find a new job.
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Apr 3, 2018 23:43
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bell jar posted:If you have to choose between arguing with your boss to graciously allow you to use your phone while you're working during breaks, and finding a new job, you should find a new job. I’m not here through choice lol.
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Apr 3, 2018 23:47
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bell jar posted:If you have to choose between arguing with your boss to graciously allow you to use your phone while you're working during breaks, and finding a new job, you should find a new job.
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Apr 4, 2018 00:08
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Anidav posted:Sorry I went to bed Hey this says draft videos were kept by the FB branded desktop camera and not mobiles, wtf anidav
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-03/peter-dutton-escalates-row-with-south-africa/9615496quote:Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has escalated a diplomatic row with South Africa by suggesting its Foreign Minister may have deliberately misrepresented Australia's stance on white farmers in the nation.
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Apr 4, 2018 00:16
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Zenithe posted:I’m not here through choice lol. Yeah you are CrazyTolradi posted:Thanks for the hot tip, Joe Hockey. Guess I just have to suffer in this lovely job! Nothing else I can do! Gonna keep my employer making money by turning up reliably and withstanding horrible rules for no reason! Your labour is an asset and depriving your employer of it when its inconvenient for them is the only tool you have to fight them.
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Apr 4, 2018 00:30
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bell jar posted:
I think the point is that just finding a new job isn't quite as simple as you're implying
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Apr 4, 2018 00:35
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The Before Times posted:I think the point is that just finding a new job isn't quite as simple as you're implying the only thing simple here is bell jar lol
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Apr 4, 2018 00:37
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The Before Times posted:I think the point is that just finding a new job isn't quite as simple as you're implying Who said anything about finding a new job, I'm simply advocating leaving this one, hth e: wait i did, im a moron, wheres my coffee
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Apr 4, 2018 00:39
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bell jar posted:Who said anything about finding a new job, I'm simply advocating leaving this one, hth can't even read their own posts mistah spoikah e: tbf I also need some more coffee, where's my mainline
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Apr 4, 2018 00:42
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bell jar posted:Yeah you are
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If you’re on a casual rate and your employer is exploiting and abusing your labour the only correct action is to continue to turn up and draw pay while turning all your efforts towards undermining their profitability until they lay you off and you can get the dole just FYI
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Apr 4, 2018 00:51
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Hey this says draft videos were kept by the FB branded desktop camera and not mobiles, wtf anidav "The undeleted videos were recorded via a feature that allowed Facebook users to make and post videos directly from their browser. This system functioned by streaming the videos to Facebook as they were being recorded." People apparently use Facebook to create videos but not upload them. Only to create Avi's? These articles keep changing aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:If you’re on a casual rate and your employer is exploiting and abusing your labour the only correct action is to continue to turn up and draw pay while turning all your efforts towards undermining their profitability until they lay you off and you can get the dole just FYI This is what I was going for and failed miserably at, thanks for reading my brain. Also coffee good CrazyTolradi posted:Lol telling a casual retail worker to just quit their job sure is great advice. Who cares about the costs of keeping a roof over your head or food on the table? look personal circumstances are irrelevant in the face of hardline anti employer rhetoric, just start a google
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Apr 4, 2018 00:56
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CrazyTolradi posted:Who cares about the costs of keeping a roof over your head or food on the table? Also unironically, this is how they keep you in their lovely trap. UBI for everyone, bring an end to lovely employer dependency
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Apr 4, 2018 00:57
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CrazyTolradi posted:Lol telling a casual retail worker to just quit their job sure is great advice. Who cares about the costs of keeping a roof over your head or food on the table? If it's a choice between being made to take paid non-break breaks without your phone or homelessness I know which one I would choose.
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Apr 4, 2018 00:57
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CrazyTolradi posted:Lol telling a casual retail worker to just quit their job sure is great advice. Who cares about the costs of keeping a roof over your head or food on the table? When did you decide to become Mr Realworld
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Apr 4, 2018 01:06
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CrazyTolradi posted:If that's the case, maybe the "rules" are stupid and wrong? Given the circumstance, the rule isn’t excessive. I’d imagine most of us technically can’t check their phone when being paid either. The complexity here is that this is a period of time where the person can eat whilst being paid. I know I’m verging into the whole “I hate the working class” that everyone assumes I believe. But as I said in the bit you didn’t quote, are the company going to enforce this when staff aren’t customer facing? If that’s the case then yes, the union should address it; otherwise I’d consider it an acceptable rule for a customer focussed business.
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Pinball Jizzard posted:Given the circumstance, the rule isn’t excessive. I’d imagine most of us technically can’t check their phone when being paid either. The complexity here is that this is a period of time where the person can eat whilst being paid.
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