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JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Good way to squander political advantage on the Labor stealing scandal.

# ? Apr 4, 2018 08:30

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# ? May 13, 2024 10:40

The Peccadillo: Mar 4, 2013; We Have Important Work To Do

Matt Guy is real weird

# ? Apr 4, 2018 08:30

Tasmantor: Aug 13, 2007; Horrid abomination

I know there's some idiot out there who sees that as a savvy political move and votes for them because of it. Like you know their a low down dirty dog scrunt and think, yeah that's who I want in charge!

# ? Apr 4, 2018 09:02

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Tasmantor posted:

I know there's some idiot out there who sees that as a savvy political move and votes for them because of it. Like you know their a low down dirty dog scrunt and think, yeah that's who I want in charge!

If this were an honest to god person, I would direct them to the Australian Labor Party, the home of big plays.

# ? Apr 4, 2018 09:04

Whitlam: Aug 2, 2014; Some goons overreact. Go figure.

JBP posted:

If this were an honest to god person, I would direct them to the Australian Labor Party, the home of big plays.

Big plays. Not "pants-shittingly moronic always worse, always dumber" plays. The Libs have gained literally zero from this and lost a lot. Labor will never give them another pairing in this Parliament, they're far enough out from an election that they haven't done anything that'll change the course of the election, but close enough that they're gonna regret it, and it's a Bill that the public doesn't give a poo poo about.

I'm hearing non-political people say "well if you can't trust them to uphold basic Parliament convention, how can you trust them to run Victoria?" Religious people are pretty hosed off too, and that's a not-insignificant demographic for them.

I mean if you want a bigger example of how badly they've hosed themselves with this, the media is now talking more about this than Labor rorts rah rah.

# ? Apr 4, 2018 10:07

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Labor has always been the more villainous political player because they need tricks to win against three word slogans and they've become so good at it they forgot what the party was about. They're like a horror movie monster.

# ? Apr 4, 2018 10:23

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Peter Beattie snubbed Turnbull for a handshake at the com games opening ceremony lmao

# ? Apr 4, 2018 11:27

Senor Tron: May 26, 2006

Malcolm Turnbeug posted:

Peter Beattie snubbed Turnbull for a handshake at the com games opening ceremony lmao

After making such a big deal about how they didn't want current politicians involved he probably wanted to play it safe.

# ? Apr 4, 2018 12:10

Brown Paper Bag: Nov 3, 2012

https://twitter.com/COMPLETEANAR/status/981468121738498048

# ? Apr 4, 2018 13:32

drunkill: Sep 25, 2007; me @ ur posting; Fallen Rib

spill

spill

spilll

https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/981450894293180416

# ? Apr 4, 2018 13:52

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

drunkill posted:

spill

spill

spilll

https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/981450894293180416

# ? Apr 4, 2018 14:02

The Peccadillo: Mar 4, 2013; We Have Important Work To Do

Tone Toni Toney

# ? Apr 4, 2018 14:02

Schlesische: Jul 4, 2012

The Peccadillo posted:

Tony!, Toni!, Tone!, Tonee?

# ? Apr 4, 2018 14:10

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Strong and stable
Adults back in charge
Debt and deficit disaster

It's like they wrote their own irony future.

EDIT: "We really need to stop using this monkey paw"

# ? Apr 4, 2018 14:22

The Peccadillo: Mar 4, 2013; We Have Important Work To Do

[tony voice] aaaah ... I'm the Prime Minister again and uh, suck me off, thank you

# ? Apr 4, 2018 14:33

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

The Peccadillo posted:

[tony voice] aaaah ... I'm the Prime Minister again and uh, suck me off, thank you

*silence and nodding*

# ? Apr 4, 2018 14:40

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

Brown Paper Bag posted:

https://twitter.com/COMPLETEANAR/status/981468121738498048

LOL

# ? Apr 4, 2018 14:44

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

A wise Guy, eh...

# ? Apr 4, 2018 14:49

NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

# ? Apr 4, 2018 14:57

The Peccadillo: Mar 4, 2013; We Have Important Work To Do

NTRabbit posted:

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

I love knives nights very much

# ? Apr 4, 2018 14:59

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Why did this idiot let Dutton and other poo poo stains get airtime. Iron fist is the only way to run the liberals. Smdh

# ? Apr 4, 2018 15:00

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

hooman posted:

*silence and nodding*

*greasy wink*

# ? Apr 4, 2018 15:42

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

JBP posted:

Why did this idiot let Dutton and other poo poo stains get airtime. Iron fist is the only way to run the liberals. Smdh

This is the worst Iron Fist yet.

# ? Apr 4, 2018 15:45

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

Lid posted:

This is the worst Iron Fist yet.

No, it's still the Netflix one.

It was offensively bad and stupid.

# ? Apr 4, 2018 15:49

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Gorilla Salad posted:

No, it's still the Netflix one.

It was offensively bad and stupid.

it's a bastardised line from The Defenders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrR9_KyvpR0

# ? Apr 4, 2018 16:01

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Rest behind paywall buuuuut....

Greens� embrace of idiot fringe economics ruins years of credibility

Subsidised mortgages and universal basic income show that the Greens have lost the plot on economic issues, Bernard Keane and Glenn Dyer write.
Bernard Keane and Glenn Dyer

Politics editor / Crikey business and media commentator

Following their Batman debacle, the Greens appear determined to abandon their remaining economic credibility by embracing nonsensical housing and welfare policies: today at the National Press Club, leader Richard Di Natale will announce new policies on the Reserve Bank offering discounted housing mortgages and a universal basic income.

Both policies are the kind of magic pudding stuff that the Greens abandoned years ago in favour of more rational economic policies, including some eventually embraced by the major parties.

# ? Apr 4, 2018 16:16

Tasmantor: Aug 13, 2007; Horrid abomination

Hasn't every UBI trial/test proven successful? Magic pudding I tells ya!

# ? Apr 4, 2018 21:39

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

"Subsidising mortgages is crazy! Those wacky Greens..."

*continues negative gearing forever*

# ? Apr 4, 2018 21:54

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

What if we made housing free

# ? Apr 4, 2018 22:13

Blamestorm: Aug 14, 2004; We LOL at death! Watch us LOL. Love the LOL.

The whole Crikey thing:

quote:

Following their Batman debacle, the Greens appear determined to abandon their remaining economic credibility by embracing nonsensical housing and welfare policies: today at the National Press Club, leader Richard Di Natale will announce new policies on the Reserve Bank offering discounted housing mortgages and a universal basic income.

Both policies are the kind of magic pudding stuff that the Greens abandoned years ago in favour of more rational economic policies, including some eventually embraced by the major parties.

The RBA policy conflates two distinct issues: the lack of competition in banking, and housing affordability. The idea of a new �people�s bank� to disrupt the banking oligopoly, has merit. An ideologically diverse group of �six economists� (including Nicholas Gruen) featured an �Aussiebank� idea in their call for financial reform nearly a decade ago. But the Greens have shoehorned it into housing finance, and propose that the Reserve Bank play that role and offer discounted mortgages for 60% of the price of a property purchased by first home buyers.

Like other demand-side subsidies, such as the notorious first home buyer grants of recent decades, providing taxpayer-funded discounted mortgages will pump more money into the housing market, which in the absence of additional supply will simply push housing prices up. As a political party almost definitionally NIMBYist, the Greens are a priori opposed to additional housing supply in established suburbs. With lower interest bills over the life of a mortgage, home buyers will be able to bid higher for the same pool of properties. At a time when a major party has finally backed curbs on negative gearing and capital gains tax exemptions (a policy originally championed by the Greens), the last thing we need is another mechanism to pump more taxpayer money into house prices.

And like most handout mechanisms, this would be rorted by the wealthy. Who can afford a 40% deposit on a property? They�re the ones who�ll be knocking on the door at Martin Place to demand a cheap mortgage for the other 60%. The rest will have to go another bank for the remainder of the mortgage, and pay extra for the privilege of being given a second mortgage.

There�s good reasons why the Reserve Bank was hived off from the Commonwealth Bank in 1959. Governments realised the then-Commonwealth Bank couldn�t both be a participant in the market and exercise the regulatory and prudential functions of a central bank. The Greens� plan would undo the 1959 Reserve Bank Act and have the Reserve Bank both competing with, and regulating, other banks. This would wreck the relationship between the RBA and other key financial regulators and compromise the independence of monetary policy setting. And who would vet the RBA�s lending standards? Who would be the lender of last resort if the RBA�s mortgage arm failed? Rival banks would face higher costs from foreign lenders concerned about the implications for stability of a return to the pre-1959 system. We�d need to set up a new, separate central bank to play the RBA�s role, which it couldn�t once it became a competitor to other banks.

Utter nonsense.

Then there�s UBI. If you advocate UBI � paying everyone an non-means-tested basic income � you�re either a fool, or you have an interest in undercutting wages. That�s why some tech billionaires advocate UBI; it would enable them to slash the wages of their workers without worrying that their employees will starve to death or (more importantly) not be able to buy their products and services.

The problem of UBI advocates from the left though is that they can�t do the maths. To give even a minority of Australians � say, those in the lowest two income quintiles � a basic income would require tens of billions of dollars extra beyond the current cost of all welfare � far more than you�d save from sacking every Social Services bureaucrat. And what about people with special needs, or carers? Do people living in cities get more than people living in country towns? Oh wait, you sacked all the bureaucrats, so even if you wanted some nuance in UBI to reflect different needs, you can�t do it.

And what if the best way to fix poverty isn�t the small-government, individual responsibility approach of UBI (just hand people money and let them do what they want) but through quality education and training or a better health service?

Oh yeah, didn�t think about that.

# ? Apr 4, 2018 22:35

Periphery: Jul 27, 2003; ...

quote:

Then there�s UBI. If you advocate UBI � paying everyone an non-means-tested basic income � you�re either a fool, or you have an interest in undercutting wages. That�s why some tech billionaires advocate UBI; it would enable them to slash the wages of their workers without worrying that their employees will starve to death or (more importantly) not be able to buy their products and services.

The problem of UBI advocates from the left though is that they can�t do the maths. To give even a minority of Australians � say, those in the lowest two income quintiles � a basic income would require tens of billions of dollars extra beyond the current cost of all welfare � far more than you�d save from sacking every Social Services bureaucrat. And what about people with special needs, or carers? Do people living in cities get more than people living in country towns? Oh wait, you sacked all the bureaucrats, so even if you wanted some nuance in UBI to reflect different needs, you can�t do it.

And what if the best way to fix poverty isn�t the small-government, individual responsibility approach of UBI (just hand people money and let them do what they want) but through quality education and training or a better health service?

The level of thought that went into writing this is astounding considering how mind-numbingly dumb it is.

# ? Apr 4, 2018 22:46

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

quote:

Then there�s UBI. If you advocate UBI � paying everyone an non-means-tested basic income � you�re either a fool, or you have an interest in undercutting wages. That�s why some tech billionaires advocate UBI; it would enable them to slash the wages of their workers without worrying that their employees will starve to death or (more importantly) not be able to buy their products and services.

LOL

# ? Apr 4, 2018 23:32

Knorth: Aug 19, 2014; Buglord

The line about sacking all the bureaucrats is amazing

# ? Apr 4, 2018 23:39

Aesculus: Mar 22, 2013

For once I am glad to be proven wrong.

It's everyone BUT the Greens who are taking away the lesson that they lost in Batman for being too left wing :v:

# ? Apr 4, 2018 23:41

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Starshark posted:

LOL

i mean there is merit to considering UBI proposals with a critical eye - as noted in the article tech ceos aren�t supporting UBI-esque policies out of the goodness of their own heart.

# ? Apr 4, 2018 23:44

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

BBJoey posted:

i mean there is merit to considering UBI proposals with a critical eye - as noted in the article tech ceos aren�t supporting UBI-esque policies out of the goodness of their own heart.

I think their issue is that, as you get more automation, there'll be less and less people with money unless something gives like UBI.

# ? Apr 4, 2018 23:48

norp: Jan 20, 2004; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

Also the conservatives forget that increasing taxes on the capitalist class is a feature not a bug in a UBI system

# ? Apr 4, 2018 23:50

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

BBJoey posted:

i mean there is merit to considering UBI proposals with a critical eye - as noted in the article tech ceos aren�t supporting UBI-esque policies out of the goodness of their own heart.

It was supported by Milton Friedman too.

I get the idea of being skeptical towards a huge social change like a UBI but those arguments are loving weak.

# ? Apr 4, 2018 23:53

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

SACK THE BUREAUCRATS NO GODS NO MASTERS

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JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

I'd rather that corporate entities were democratically run by the workers than relying on the Greens to give me money.

# ? Apr 5, 2018 00:18

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