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Oh to be a casual worker in this fine country, represented by an EBA hard fought and won by their local unioahahahhahahahahaah
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If you have to choose between arguing with your boss to graciously allow you to use your phone while you're working during breaks, and finding a new job, you should find a new job.
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Apr 3, 2018 23:43
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Zenithe posted:I’m not here through choice lol. Yeah you are CrazyTolradi posted:Thanks for the hot tip, Joe Hockey. Guess I just have to suffer in this lovely job! Nothing else I can do! Gonna keep my employer making money by turning up reliably and withstanding horrible rules for no reason! Your labour is an asset and depriving your employer of it when its inconvenient for them is the only tool you have to fight them.
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Apr 4, 2018 00:30
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The Before Times posted:I think the point is that just finding a new job isn't quite as simple as you're implying Who said anything about finding a new job, I'm simply advocating leaving this one, hth e: wait i did, im a moron, wheres my coffee
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Apr 4, 2018 00:39
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Malcolm Turnbeug posted:If you’re on a casual rate and your employer is exploiting and abusing your labour the only correct action is to continue to turn up and draw pay while turning all your efforts towards undermining their profitability until they lay you off and you can get the dole just FYI This is what I was going for and failed miserably at, thanks for reading my brain. Also coffee good CrazyTolradi posted:Lol telling a casual retail worker to just quit their job sure is great advice. Who cares about the costs of keeping a roof over your head or food on the table? look personal circumstances are irrelevant in the face of hardline anti employer rhetoric, just start a google
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Apr 4, 2018 00:56
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CrazyTolradi posted:Who cares about the costs of keeping a roof over your head or food on the table? Also unironically, this is how they keep you in their lovely trap. UBI for everyone, bring an end to lovely employer dependency
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Apr 4, 2018 00:57
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The extremely good thing about casual workers is that if you conduct a guerrilla campaign against your employer they can just stop giving you shifts for no reason
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Apr 4, 2018 01:21
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can a poor who uses welfare tell me how it works, i cant find anyone in my office who makes less than $150k jacking off behind a paywall
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Apr 4, 2018 03:20
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The Peccadillo posted:I probably should have specified Sydney Morning Herald rather than Herald Sun, which I had forgot existed while fairfax is still poo poo, it probably deserves less vitriol than a news ltd publication, thanks for the clarification
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Apr 4, 2018 04:41
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JBP posted:Do the Greens actually have any method of enforcing discipline or is it just a "grassroots" free for all clusterfuck, because it seems like that is what it is. Yeah, if you gently caress up in the Greens you're forced to run as an MP
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Apr 5, 2018 04:54
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JBP posted:If the government gave me 35k a year for doing nothing I'd work two days a week at some dumb job, crank my hog, play video games and chill forever. so business as usual then
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Apr 5, 2018 05:47
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The Peccadillo posted:I'm losing my mind about this, there exists the resources to feed, house and clothe every man woman and child in the world, gently caress off with your keepaway games But the free meerkat Amethyst posted:It shouldn't be. The idea that we live in a world ripe for post-scarcity television watching automated utopia is absurd on it's face. There are plenty of jobs that desperately need doing, the problem is that our consumer based economy doesn't value them. Selling UBI as a means to not end, but prop up consumerism is irresponsible. lol. if you're a socialist why do you have A IPHONE??????
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Apr 5, 2018 06:15
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[sees ubi] if this happens, nobody will do anything other than sit on their arse, society will stop, won't someone think of the vaguely defined jobs that need doing
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Apr 5, 2018 06:17
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if every one sit's on their arses how are we gonna fund ubi!!!!!! what a pipe dream
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Apr 5, 2018 06:18
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Amethyst posted:You have a knack for reducing every possible argument down to a particularly dumbarsed, thought-terminating sound bite. You should take up politics. i am simply a mirror
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Apr 5, 2018 06:20
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The Before Times posted:I think part of the idea of UBI, though, is giving people time to do enriching activities that aren't just 'jobs for the sake of having a job'. Think of the art, music, literature even science that came out of bored aristocrats (albeit a long time ago now), and imagine how much good could be generated by giving people the time and space to actually pursue their interests without needing to do something else to pay the bills. No you don't understand, there are Jobs that need to be Done, and we need every human at the grind at all times for this to happen. Also consumerism is bad for undefined reasons
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Apr 5, 2018 06:23
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I mean, if you give people money, they will simply just stop contributing to the economy, they will just ??? with that money and society will end
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Apr 5, 2018 06:24
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do you want to elaborate on why people purchasing things is bad
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Apr 5, 2018 06:28
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or do you just want to throw your hands up in the air while people don't understand your incredibly smooth brained opinions
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Apr 5, 2018 06:28
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here's a cool question, would there be consumerism under communism or socialism, would that be bad, why
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Apr 5, 2018 06:29
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Amethyst posted:No i'm done with this discussion and have moved onto the part where i marvel at the miracle that you somehow remember to breathe. You imbecile. You useless loving toad. its not really a discussion if you fart into a thread and people tell you your fart stinks. more of an observation on your stinky farts
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Apr 5, 2018 06:29
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Pinball Jizzard posted:The irony is that if you provide those resources to everyone, there won’t be the workforce to maintain or provide the food, housing and clothing for everyone in the world. Why?
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Apr 5, 2018 06:31
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X13Fen posted:Don't all the current, real-world examples of UBI have people working whilst receiving it and shock, everyone still works normally? No, all their societies stopped because everyone is a hedonist and finds no greater pleasure in life than buying whitegoods, jacking off and playing videogames
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Apr 5, 2018 06:32
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The Before Times posted:if you boil consumerism down to 'people acquiring stuff not because they need it but because they want it' then yes, consumerism would absolutely exist, even in a situation where notionally everything belongs to the state (hint: there's always private property because humans are humans and my pile of rocks needs to be bigger than your pile of rocks) ding ding ding ding! correct answer. people will always want to have things that they don;'t need because we're not robots and it makes us happy. the problem comes from the imbalance of power between consumer and producer, there's no inherent bad in consumerism (hope that puts a wrinkle in your brain amy)
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Apr 5, 2018 06:35
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JBP posted:Medicine doesn't come with a free car and house when you can't work. Just live in the hospital and travel by ambulance, idiot
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Apr 5, 2018 06:59
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beep boop i am unable to comprehend peoples personal circumstances why would you need money for job when healthcare is free. just take the days off work for treatment and live on medicine
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Apr 5, 2018 07:05
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oh you have multiple sclerosis? why would you worry about paying for food and housing when you have free healthcarE?
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Apr 5, 2018 07:06
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Amethyst posted:We aren't talking about basic welfare. We are talking about universal basic income. 
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Apr 5, 2018 07:08
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ubi isn't welfare, its just cash for people who can't work so they can afford to live, my name's amethyst and my brain cells are afraid of multiplying
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Apr 5, 2018 07:09
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Amethyst posted:Cool you literally don't know what we are talking about. Here's the wikipedia link you obviously need you massive moron: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income quote:A basic income (also called basic income guarantee, citizen's income, unconditional basic income, universal basic income (UBI), basic living stipend (BLS) or universal demogrant) is typically described as a new kind of welfare regime in which all citizens (or permanent residents) of a country receive a regular, liveable and unconditional sum of money, from the government lmao if youre this dumb unironically
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Apr 5, 2018 07:12
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bell jar you IDIOT dont you know that the wikipedia definetion for ubi means it ISNT welfare [links to article calling it welfare in the first sentence] im amethist
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Apr 5, 2018 07:13
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Apr 5, 2018 07:14
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why would parliament sitting dates affect L/NP party meetings? doesn't seem like it would
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Apr 5, 2018 07:15
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Amethyst posted:Your initial post at me was hostile, i reciprocated. Not sure what you expected. an eye for an eye makes the world amethyst
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Apr 5, 2018 07:21
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Amethyst posted:There is a lot of labour that simply isn't being performed because the economic incentives aren't there. Disability support is an obvious example. Understaffed facilities, people living in deprivation. We could build economic structures to fix this. Perhaps UBI could be a part of those structures but it isn't a panacea. maybe there would be more people to work these jobs if they weren't working 60 hours a week at the local maccas to afford their massively overpriced rental. who knows
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Apr 5, 2018 07:24
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Amethyst posted:Could you perhaps just stop repeating the same assertion over and over and over again for like 20 posts in a row? stones, glass houses, etc
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Apr 5, 2018 07:25
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amethyst is the kid that somehow never understood that other people don't automatically understand where you're coming from instead of just explaining things properly
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Apr 5, 2018 07:28
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amethyst is the kid whose uncle works for nintendo
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Apr 5, 2018 07:29
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amethyst is the kid who berates fellow 10 year olds for not knowing what an orgasm is, then conveniently is unable to define it when challenged
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amethyst is the kid who always has a one-up story when you tell them something cool you did
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