|
ninjewtsu posted:I mean just because knuckles keeps showing up doesn't mean they keep referencing the events of sonic 3. Sonic adventure 2 is canon for sonic heroes and shadow the hedgehog. The next game, sonic 2006, presents a shadow that has experienced the character growth of shadow and heroes, but never brings up Maria or even the ultimate lifeform stuff iirc Heck, we even have a good example of how Knuckles' backstory can become this same sort of hazy canon in the Sonic Boom tv series: In that one episode where Knuckles briefly got amnesia it's explicitly mentioned he's the last of his kind and originally from Angel Island. While this is a spin-off canon with its own status quo, it's kind of a good example of how the series tends to handle continuity: The broad strokes events of the games are canon as it relates to characterization (Knuckles is the last of the Echidnas and guards the Master Emerald, Shadow is the Ultimate Life Form created by Gerald Robotnik, Sonic rescued Amy from Metal Sonic that one time and now she's his number 1 fan) but actual world details and specific bits of characterization established in any of those games is subject to change based on the whims and needs of whatever new game they're making (Do Sonic and co. live alongside humans? Is Shadow a level-headed protector of humanity or an angry Vegeta-type? Is Amy a crazed Sonic stalker, his main love interest or a close friend who just likes flirting with him one-sidedly?)
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 22:37
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 14, 2024 19:39 |
|
|
I've been catching up with the bumblekast and Ian literally says in a recent episodequote:What used to work in the archie days doesn't necessarily work today, and stuff that I would never get away with back then is much more closer to acceptable now so I'm kind of relearning what is tolerable and what's not.
|
|
#
?
May 25, 2022 02:56
|
|
|
drrockso20 posted:That's always felt like a lie on Ian's part as the character writing and world building since the IDW jump feels way more constrained and limited in what it can do than Archie ever was I know I'm getting kinda hung up on this but just a few days ago Ian mentioned this on the bumblekast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCq95kIRST4&t=96s
|
|
#
?
May 30, 2022 03:03
|
|
|
First two pages of Issue 50 https://twitter.com/idwsonicnews/status/1537209313311211520?s=21
|
|
#
?
Jun 16, 2022 23:17
|
|
|
Number 50 came Was a good one. Starline is probably out of the picture for a while. I don't know what will happen with Surge and Kit.
|
|
#
?
Jun 29, 2022 19:35
|
|
|
Oh interesting thing from Flynn this was the end of Starline, barring fans begging for his return this issue was his death
|
|
#
?
Jun 30, 2022 23:52
|
|
|
MonsterEnvy posted:Oh interesting thing from Flynn this was the end of Starline, barring fans begging for his return this issue was his death Pfft. No body no death, I've been in this game too long to accept otherwise. I gotta say seeing Eggman dismantle him was fun though. It's nice to see him actually be a threat from time to time instead of, well, modern Eggman.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2022 02:44
|
|
|
TwoPair posted:Pfft. No body no death, I've been in this game too long to accept otherwise. I gotta say seeing Eggman dismantle him was fun though. It's nice to see him actually be a threat from time to time instead of, well, modern Eggman. Things are left open for his return by lack of a body. But Flynn outright said he won’t be back unless it’s demanded.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2022 03:45
|
|
|
Yeah there's really nowhere else to go with the character. He had his shot, and Eggman took him apart with ease.
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2022 04:33
|
|
|
Seeing Eggman absolutely body Starline with practically no effort made my entire day
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2022 14:37
|
|
|
Nothing quite as pure as Menacing Eggman. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 1, 2022 14:53
|
|
|
Man twitter is downright toxic. And the 250 characer, 0 depth tirates about Sonic's character in reaction to #50 are not helping.
|
|
#
?
Jul 5, 2022 16:30
|
|
|
ConanThe3rd posted:Man twitter is downright toxic. Who would've thought that Sonic fans could be so crazy? 
|
|
#
?
Jul 5, 2022 16:58
|
|
|
I know, stupid me, but still.
|
|
#
?
Jul 5, 2022 17:07
|
|
|
ConanThe3rd posted:Man twitter is downright toxic. What are they upset about?
|
|
#
?
Jul 5, 2022 20:38
|
|
|
I'm not checking but I'm guessing they think he should be more torn up about Surge apparently but totally not dying in front of him
|
|
#
?
Jul 5, 2022 21:36
|
|
|
TwoPair posted:I'm not checking but I'm guessing they think he should be more torn up about Surge apparently but totally not dying in front of him From what I've seen it's more that a lot of people are starting to feel that Sonic's IDW characterization makes him come off as either an idiot or a callous rear end in a top hat
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2022 00:13
|
|
|
drrockso20 posted:From what I've seen it's more that a lot of people are starting to feel that Sonic's IDW characterization makes him come off as either an idiot or a callous rear end in a top hat But Sonic is both of those things! He's the literal embodiment of 90's Tude.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2022 00:28
|
|
|
ImpAtom posted:But Sonic is both of those things! He's the literal embodiment of 90's Tude. Well yeah but specifically that it's taking him over to the unlikable side of that type of character
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2022 01:09
|
|
|
Also a lot of "Why doesn't Batman just kill the Joker?".
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2022 05:31
|
|
|
Japanese Sonic's personality has always been that he's aloof and more interested in freedom than any kind of traditional structured morality.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2022 05:48
|
|
|
Sonic has had a lot of adventures, as many as two at least. He's probably allowed to be blase about a 5 minute encounter with a weird new jerk that wants to kill him that ends with their apparent death through no real fault of his own. These things just kinda happen.
|
|
#
?
Jul 6, 2022 05:58
|
|
|
Starline is the Frank Grimes of Sonic the Hedgehog
|
|
#
?
Jul 10, 2022 05:26
|
|
|
Nodosaur posted:Starline is the Frank Grimes of Sonic the Hedgehog ...kinda funny considering I just realised I hear him as Sideshow Bob.
|
|
#
?
Jul 18, 2022 07:42
|
|
|
Blockhouse posted:Japanese Sonic's personality has always been that he's aloof and more interested in freedom than any kind of traditional structured morality. Don't Tread on Me (you will get spines in your foot)
|
|
#
?
Jul 18, 2022 17:49
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/TailsChannel/status/1549454184847654914 New side-series announced; Scrapnik Island; "Scrapnik Island sees Sonic and Knuckles battling new foes and crossing paths with some old enemies, including Mecha Knuckles, as they fight to survive on a robot island designed to be their nightmare." https://twitter.com/IDWSonicNews/status/1549451250768519170 https://twitter.com/IDWSonicNews/status/1549451467949588482
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2022 19:09
|
|
|
Knuckles OVA Hat is simply too powerful to stay dead.
|
|
#
?
Jul 19, 2022 22:45
|
|
|
I miss having a second running book like we had with Sonic Universe under Archie, but having the occasional mini series is a decent replacement. This one sounds neat. If Sonic is actually a main character in it, I wonder if he'll be in the main book at the same time. He's been almost entirely absent from the other mini series, right?
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2022 13:46
|
|
|
Notably this miniseries is from a new writer (well technically he's making his sonic debut writing a story for this year's Annual, but you get what I mean), while all the previous ones were written by Ian (even the ones from after Evan took over the main book)
|
|
#
?
Jul 20, 2022 19:25
|
|
|
Danial Barnes. New to Sonic but not a neophite in comics, having worked on Boom's Agresiko and something called The Black Mage which is a seo nightmare so I dunno if thats a webcomic or whatever.
|
|
#
?
Jul 21, 2022 07:01
|
|
|
ConanThe3rd posted:Danial Barnes. New to Sonic but not a neophite in comics, having worked on Boom's Agresiko and something called The Black Mage which is a seo nightmare so I dunno if thats a webcomic or whatever. https://www.dannybarnes.net/the-black-mage It was part of a comics Humble Bundle a few months back, haven't had a chance to read it though.
|
|
#
?
Jul 22, 2022 21:34
|
|
|
The twitter fuss seems to be that Surge specifically calls out sonic's repeated decisions to let his enemies live, and also blames him for people like Starline. A lot of people on twitter seem to think that sonic's beliefs and how he defends them to her are stupid. Like someone here said earlier it's the same "why don't batman kill the joker?" argument. I think it's a good conversation to have. A theme that comes up a lot in the comic has been challenging sonic's morals and decisions. He is called out for his decisions by several characters throughout the comic,, including Espio, Shadow, Zavok, Eggman, and now by Surge. He repeatedly faces the consequences of his choices firsthand. Despite these constant challenges Sonic remains committed to his morals. The comic is purposely presenting this argument and isn't saying which side is correct. I feel like it's a central theme to the whole comic, so I'm surprised people are only arguing now. I'm personally pretty interested to see if they go somewhere with this, since it seems like they have been. The Skeleton King fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Jul 29, 2022 |
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2022 04:29
|
|
|
I feel like they've already taken it about as far as they can go, since Sonic has already concluded "yeah, this is just how I am, and that's what I'll do, even if the consequences aren't always ideal."
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2022 04:50
|
|
|
The problem is no meaningful decision can be made due to pressure from above. Sega isn't going to approve "Eggman dies" and like the Joker the suspension of disbelief gets worse after every offense. I agree that it's fun writing but it can't go anywhere. "You can't kill the Joker, everyone deserves redemption!" can work before he kills, or after one tragedy. "Every life has value" starts to get morally strained when your one life keeps removing other one lives. Was that one life and the possibility of redemption worth five other one lives? The answer to the Joker question is the state executes him after about the second murder and especially the second mass murder. Of course DC isn't gonna do that for business reasons. And hell, Eggman almost destroyed all life on the planet as his first act. At least the glitch trio are OCs and the writers can play with them and have them change. Sonic and Eggman will be referencing Mr Tinker and morality in a circulatr argument 100 issues from now with 2-5+ more tragedies chalked up. It was fun banter for Surge, specifically, who is open ended at this point. Not that I can say which moral decision is right but I do think about the Joker question from time to time as a mental exercise. And then again maybe fans should just accept that this is what they sign up for, nobody plays Mega Man games waiting for Dr Wily to finally reform. ... Then again then again the Sonic writers would have to stop bringing it up as well, at least as far as Eggman goes.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2022 12:21
|
|
|
I like when the cartoon hedgehog runs really fast and eats chili dogs and the fat guy gets angry at him.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2022 19:20
|
|
|
Doomykins posted:The problem is no meaningful decision can be made due to pressure from above. Sega isn't going to approve "Eggman dies" and like the Joker the suspension of disbelief gets worse after every offense. I agree that it's fun writing but it can't go anywhere. The problem isn't Eggman getting away without punishment, it's that it keeps being done in ways that makes Sonic look like either a moron and/or an rear end in a top hat, which is especially aggravating here cause it should be really easy to have Eggman get away in ways that leave Sonic without direct blame
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2022 21:59
|
|
|
Sometimes the fat angry guy has funny robots that do things badly that make the fat angry guy even angrier.
|
|
#
?
Jul 29, 2022 22:07
|
|
|
Screaming Idiot posted:I like when the cartoon hedgehog runs really fast and eats chili dogs and the fat guy gets angry at him. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2022 03:07
|
|
|
I sort of wonder if they're setting it up like this to show why Sonic is kind of right: While Eggman doesn't win, he has massive access to resources and is incredibly petty. As he says, without lying, he could win by simply carpet bombing Sonic at any time. The Metal Virus got out of hand, but he didn't go out of his way to infect everyone all at once. He let it spread slower than he had to because it caused fear and panic. He enjoys the "game", and part of that seems to be that he gets away to play again. He doesn't want to just drop a bomb on Sonic and win, he wants to make it clear the Eggman Empire is superior. Sonic trying to actively capture and imprison or execute Eggman would very likely be the point where it's no longer a game. If Eggman actually thinks he's directly targeted, as opposed to just a plan going belly up, we've seen that he stops playing around. Starline tried it, to show Eggman the "error of his ways", and got completely taken apart. When Eggman is serious, he has a lot of strings he can pull and resources he can use. Eggman and Sonic playing a game is dangerous, but manageable. Eggman actually serious is far, far more dangerous because if he stops holding back, he pretty much just wins.
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2022 05:03
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 14, 2024 19:39 |
|
|
So what I'm hearing is Eggman is Vladimir Putin and Sonic is Noam Chomsky
|
|
#
?
Jul 30, 2022 08:04
|
|
