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I've had a tab open on ticketmaster for the concert when they come around Indianapolis.... pretty much ever since it was announced. Like I want to go, but I've been on the fence so badly. I'll probably go. I'm a fairly new fan (fell in love with everything up to Machina a few months ago) but from as far as opinions go it seems like both Billy and D'Arcy are kind of up their own asses. I like Billy as a musician and a lyricist, but as a person I kind of cringe at a lot of the things he says. In the argument, Billy seems to make far more sense than D'Arcy who just gets hostile over it all, despite them not talking for... what, like 15 years? I'm more interested in seeing James live honestly.
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I don't have much confidence in anything that Billy puts his hands on after 2000. I liked the older stuff where his voice is a bit more drowned in the instruments. Don't really know if there's a specific term for that style but I strongly prefer it.
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Jun 9, 2018 16:57
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Guess I need to look into shoegaze.
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Jun 10, 2018 17:41
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Because from how I've been reading it, Billy isn't the one who is lying. Or at least, isn't the one trying to save face by stretching the truth. If what Billy says is true, then it was a unanimous agreement between the three of them to move on without her.
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Jun 13, 2018 16:45
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I think he's just embracing the fact that he's weird as hell.
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Jun 30, 2018 00:28
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Solara's growing on me as a song at any rate. I like it more than any other recent thing they've put out, but the presence of Billy, James, and Jimmy in the same room making room together is probably the reason for it.
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Jun 30, 2018 02:14
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Matsuri posted:I think he's just embracing the fact that he's weird as hell.
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Jul 2, 2018 22:16
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There's been some videos taken of some of the shows now that the tour's started. The stage looks great and the music is spot on. 3 hours long with an overall great setlist. And ticket prices have dropped. The seat I was planning to buy for $99+fees is now $69+fees, and I can get a loving 6th row seat for $135. gently caress, man.
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Jul 23, 2018 04:49
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Oops. Slept on it too long. Didn't get the seat. 
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Jul 25, 2018 11:53
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Is there a way to get tickets outside of using Ticketmaster? Their additional fees are loving criminal.
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Aug 2, 2018 04:04
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Soooooo yeah. That show was really fuckin' good.
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Aug 25, 2018 21:44
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The Black Stones posted:Saw the show. Way better than when I saw the lineup during the Oceania tour. They played good that time, but the lineup they had now really could play the songs heavier and better. Agreed, it was incredible. You can hear the world premiere of Silvery Sometimes (Ghosts) here, at around 1:53:00. It's a step in the right direction. It feels like Billy's trying to keep the charm of the past while taking the composition out of old patterns. Very 1979-esque, but I feel like the chorus is a little weak.
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Sep 13, 2018 18:12
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https://store.smashingpumpkins.com/shiny-and-oh-so-bright-bundles.html Bundles and preorders for the new album. I'm picking up the box set with the IGT 7"s. I've never bought vinyl before and I don't even have something to play them on, but this'll be a first for me.
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Sep 15, 2018 00:14
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Hasn't been mentioned here so I thought I'd bring it up: A Machina super-deluxe set is in the works; Billy is in the process of arranging and combining and remastering some unused tracks and finishing Machina II the way it should have been finished. Final product will have both albums combined with the usual demos/alternate tracks and live DVD, etc.
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Oct 31, 2018 19:00
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precision posted:I don't know that I trust modern Billy to fix Machina 2 Seaniqua posted:crank them vox I am really hoping Rick Rubin stays ten million miles away from it, yes. polyester concept posted:we can only hope what this will be BC's already said it won't be their final show before breakup, so who knows.
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Oct 31, 2018 20:34
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WPC is 100% more likable when you just accept he's a loving weirdo.
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Nov 2, 2018 16:18
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New track "Knights of Malta" dropped today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O80Kwt4zcxs It's not a banger but I like the lyrics.
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Nov 8, 2018 00:59
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The Black Stones posted:When it first started I was a little worried I wasn’t going to like it, but that was great. Billy seemed to make an effort to actually put a bit of range into his voice (though it’s nowhere near the Mellon or Machina). Bad news I'm afraid. Shiny Vol. 2 is supposed to be 8 tracks as well. Billy did report that he has finished his next solo LP though, which has more tracks on it.
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Nov 8, 2018 19:12
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Baron von Eevl posted:All the singles are good, but there are some weird issues with all of them. Fairly certain it's because Rick Rubin. Hearing the song live made me like the song. It kicked rear end live.
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Nov 10, 2018 05:17
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Yeah. If you haven't heard Dross or the Machina II version of Let Me Give The World To You, please do so.
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Nov 13, 2018 03:17
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precision posted:Mellon Collie has some of the most inexplicably bad mixing I've ever heard Difference between Butch Vig and Flood, I suppose? I never really felt like MCIS sounded bad either, though.
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Nov 13, 2018 04:56
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precision posted:Yeah that's what I meant. A lot of the songs sound... fat. Like "Here Is No Why" which is also just a terrible song in general Yikes we're not going to agree at all there. That's one of my favorite tracks.
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Got my vinyl of Shiny Vol. 1 in the mail today. I don't have anything to listen to it with yet, so I just finished listening to the digital copy. It's... okay. The singles are definitely the standout bits, despite their flaws. The rest feels rather half baked. Not bad, but I feel like this could have been far better with a) more time and b) a better producer. Billy's voice does not and never will belong in front of everything else. Dear god no.
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Nov 16, 2018 04:34
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:obnoxious album title it's honestly tame compared to the whole teargarden by kaleidyscope concept
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Nov 16, 2018 06:26
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Meanwhile I think With Sympathy is my favorite non-single. Marchin' On is great, but With Sympathy has a nice Try, Try, Try vibe to it and I love that song.
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Nov 16, 2018 06:53
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It's on Spotify too, if that is of any use.
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Nov 16, 2018 15:29
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I can safely say I like this more than any other post 2000 album. It'll definitely be in rotation for me.
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Nov 19, 2018 06:05
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I will have to listen to Zeitgeist again someday. As it was, it was the only album I struggled to get through and didn't really enjoy in some way at all.
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Nov 19, 2018 19:38
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syntaxfunction posted:So I have listened to Shiny several times now. My verdict is that it's loving good. Alienation is the weakest track but even that's okay. Agreed. Naysayers be damned, Shiny still manages to be good even if it's clearly rushed and Rubin got his filthy hands on it. We can say it could be better, but that it's still good despite all that tells me the quality is there.
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Nov 27, 2018 02:28
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hatelull posted:Would you cut a Machina track and replace it with "Vanity" or would you just slip it in somewhere? It's been a hot minute since I listened to that record. I remember digging the Machina II version of "Try, Try, Try" more when I heard it but that's probably because I loved the fact that Corgan named dropped my city. Still, I could probably do without "The Sacred and Profane" or "The Crying Tree of Mercury." I like the lyrics of the Machina II version of Try, Try, Try, but the constant WEE-oo-WEE-oooooooo in the background is kind of grating. I know that Machina II wasn't polished/completed but ugh.
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It's kind of weird. This tour has a lot more deep cuts on the setlist. Last year felt less like a "we're touring to promote our new album" and more like a "we're touring to promote our reunion" because there was only one track from Shiny on the entire setlist last year and the rest were all of the singles from Gish to Machina. Neither one seems to be promoting Shiny Vol. 1 itself. Billy's really active on instagram and says the next installment of Shiny is meant to be a double album with over 20 tracks iirc. He's also said that he's leaning more toward older production styles (hopefully this means they're firing Rick Rubin), and also recently said he's open to working with Butch Vig again. But this is all Billy so take it with a sea's worth of salt. There was also talk about a deluxe edition of Machina/Machina II in the works a while back but I think that may be on the backburner to new content. Also, they could have picked a WAY better track on Colbert to promote Shiny and their tour. Play Marchin' On or Silvery Sometimes or anything other than the most boring track on the album please.
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I don't know of any beef. Billy just runs a Q&A on his Instagram (he's even answered me before) and someone asked if he'd work with Butch again and he said yes. Proof: https://www.reddit.com/r/SmashingPumpkins/comments/co3pfa/dont_tease_us_like_this_billy_my_heart_wont_be/
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ketchup vs catsup posted:Drive-by posting to this thread that I unironically and wholeheartedly believe that “Mayonnaise” is the greatest song in the history of music and it is unlikely that any artist will ever conceive of something 10% as brilliant. It's definitely in my top 5 favorite songs.
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It amuses me to know that Untitled was supposed to be in Shrek or something but they ended up going with Smash Mouth or something.
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Oct 23, 2019 15:03
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Hot take: Luna is also in my top 5 and like no one ever talks about that track
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Borrowed Ladder posted:I feel like Mayonaise won the big reddit Best Pumpkins song poll a few years ago, so it's a pretty popular take. I think for me I'd probably go Real Love. I would really love that Machine II remaster though because it sounds kind of. . .fuzzy? That's because what we have of Machina II is a rip from one of the very few vinyls made. Then again, Real Love was also put on the Rotten Apples Greatest Hits album and I don't think it's any different? Speaking of Machina II, Let Me Give The World To You is a song that has been so forgotten it's criminal. I have a hard time deciding which version of it I like more though-- the Machina II version or the Adore outtake one. The Machina II version feels more "wall of sound" Pumpkins-y, but the Adore outtake one seems to fit the song better.
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Oct 31, 2019 08:20
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Machina I is great and I rank it above Adore, actually. But that's also because I REALLY have to be in the mood for Adore's intense gloominess because the middle tracks of the album put me to sleep if I'm not in the mood. I want to like Machina II more but it feels so unpolished and so unrefined that a lot of the tracks are hard to enjoy. Like, the Machina II version of Try, Try, Try would be great if it didn't have that awful WEE-OOO WEE-OOO, WEE-OOO WEE-OOO throughout the whole song. Some tracks are home runs though.
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Oct 31, 2019 15:19
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Slow Dawn is real good. Would love to hear it more cleaned up.
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Nov 1, 2019 05:35
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Billy posted:"This is the first album since the album that came out in 2000, 'Machina', where me, James and Jimmy worked on something for a very long time. It's got a greater conceptual base, and it's probably a wider swath of music. The last one was kind of like, 'Let's just jump in, record some stuff real fast, and let it be what it is,' ... so I'm excited about this, because we're kind of back in the lane of taking a risk, and trying to bring something new to the table, as opposed to just aping what we're known for." I like how he's basically just admitting that Shiny Vol. I was a total rush job. Explains why it was so short and unpolished despite having some good ideas on it. Hoping the double album is good and it will not disappoint.
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Don't quote me on this, but I want to say I remember hearing that Billy himself was doing the producing? That said, I'd love to hear what Butch Vig could do with their modern stuff.
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