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Eela6 posted:I don't think I've ever seen an anime with Ainu characters before. That's kind of hosed up in retrospect. We do the same thing in US media with our native population, too. Samurai Champloo had an Ainu character who iirc was the focus of a two-parter. Not anime, but the entire last arc of Okami was Ainu-focused. It's fairly common for Japanese media in historical/fantasy settings to incorporate some Ainu elements, especially when it comes to clothing (e.g., some of the costumes in Utawarerumono or Ico/Shadow of the Colossus/The Last Guardian).
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stolen from the season thread: https://twitter.com/KamuyCentral/status/983391271447232512 quote:Q: Is there any part of the production that poses a particular challenge?
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While I like that this series is being animated and so far it's pretty accurate to the source material, the CG animals are bad. I understand cutting costs with some of the slightly lackluster drawing and animation but the CG is quite bad. I'll still watch it but eh somewhat disappointing.
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Apr 10, 2018 23:41
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Everything Burrito posted:stolen from the season thread: Who hired this hack fraud? The original manga did a lot to represent bears as terrifying monsters without having them clash with the rest of the art.
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Apr 11, 2018 12:40
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drawing still images is extremely different than drawing images to move
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Apr 11, 2018 12:43
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Also Ashitaka from Princess Mononoke is supposed to be from a hidden Emishi village.
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Apr 11, 2018 15:31
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Everything Burrito posted:stolen from the season thread: Which is a shame, because I liked the first episode of this otherwise, but that bear was way too distracting.
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Expect My Mom posted:drawing still images is extremely different than drawing images to move This It's an experiment that didn't work out in the eyes of many - I was cool with it but even if I hadn't been, no big deal. Seeing it become a stupid meme is vaguely annoying speaking as someone who's been so pumped for the anime. And I mean I love Noda and there's nothing wrong with doing it but talking about how it's ruining it to try something that might have been a cost effective and less difficult decision brings me back to discussions we'll have about the manga sometimes about whether Noda relies "too much" on filtered photographs for backgrounds when like... Can you blame the man
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Apr 11, 2018 16:35
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cgi isnt even cheap
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Okuyasu Nijimura posted:This At least when Noda uses a photograph he's skilled enough to make it work (well enough). I can appreciate the attempt to try something new, but they should have done a stripped down test to see if it worked instead of just going all in on it for the first episode to the point that they couldn't try something else. Plenty of other animated shows are able to draw animals with fur in a satisfactory way without blowing the whole budget. Plus, they could have just swapped the shading style to match Retar at the very least when they saw how bad it clashed.
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Apr 11, 2018 22:36
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Crain posted:At least when Noda uses a photograph he's skilled enough to make it work (well enough). Yeah I call BS on all of this, I've seen countless furry little dogs in animation that looked just fine, and I'm sure I've seen bear-sized critters look good too. Maybe you can't animate every fur dynamically, whatever, but take your best shot at doing it and do it in the same style as the rest so it doesn't clash with everything else. It could have been done well if they funnel time and money into it to the point where it's CGI but it looks just slightly different than normal to give the bears and other animals a real force of nature presence, but at that point you're better off just animating them slightly differently within the same style to get that effect, or using music or sound (particularly sound) to make them have a big impact.
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Apr 11, 2018 22:52
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They could just go with the Gintama approach:
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Apr 11, 2018 23:12
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i've seen plenty of badly designed/animated animals in 2d anime and Shirobako even has a subplot about the dwindling ranks of animators who are good at drawing animals. i don't think it is that much of a stretch to understand that the staff here had legitimate concerns about animating the animals, which are hugely significant to the series, and chose a path like cg that has the benefit of consistency and stands out. it's also worth noting that this path has to fight against the already existing issues with cg and a tight production schedule. i don't begrudge anybody for disliking the look but it's perfectly understandable how they came to this end result and a less than ideal cg model may still be better than whatever alternative they could've cooked up if the cg was scrapped after already having significant work put in. the shoulda coulda woulda posts are pointless.
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this guy who is insanely overworked and underpaid made one decision that didn't pan out partly due to financial and time reasons and partly because it was a poor idea artistically. imo, he should be put to death. the bear looks bad but I can't blame an anime director for striking out with an idea. criticize it obviously but like, art is about going for ideas. sometimes those ideas don't work. i don't think it means anyone involved is unskilled or a 'hack fraud.' the guy's been working in anime since the freaking castle of cagliostro, and he's had major roles (episode director, storyboarding) on beloved shows like FMA: Brotherhood and Eureka Seven. He's not some random hack, he's a skilled artist who led a team that made a decision that unfortunately backfired. Crain posted:
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Apr 11, 2018 23:42
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JoJo Part 7 is never going to get animated because there are so many loving horses in it and horse centered action scenes and i understand cause fuuuuuuuck that
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Apr 11, 2018 23:58
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they could def just cg some horses
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dogsicle posted:they could def just cg some horses oh god, no, the conversation is looping
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Apr 12, 2018 00:21
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there's so many horses yall
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if they were smart they'd give kamikaze douga multiple years to make a jojo OP-quality cg anime
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Man, screw that. First, we need Bruno's fabulous Boy Band of GangStars, which is to be followed by Jolyne and her ruffian-harem to then get into Funky Bill and Grumpy Ted's Excellent Cross Country Adventure. All JoJos or NO JoJos! 
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Apr 12, 2018 00:45
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Endorph posted:im the guy who thinks an anime production cycle has enough time to do anything like this Ok that's a fair point. Sometimes I forget that anime production is a death march. At least they did actually go for something and try to use fur physics to make it look "real".
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Endorph posted:Nakoruru in Samurai Shodown was probably the most prominent ainu anime/game character before this. They're also a pretty big plotpoint in Shaman King. Also Aramaki (the old guy with the dr. wily hair) in ghost in the shell is of Ainu descent. The Japanese government also deliberately does not take census data on the ainu
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John McClane posted:The Japanese government also deliberately does not take census data on the ainu Japanese citizenship and the Japanese race are considered to be synonymous to the government. Even if you are quite clearly not and will never be treated as one, a naturalized foreigner is part of the 99% ethnic Japanese majority for demographic purposes. Naturally this also handily eliminates all the Koreans, Chinese, Ainu, etc that actually live there. 7c Nickel fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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https://twitter.com/ZiggyZagz/status/983861134615658497
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I honestly don't think I've ever seen an anime horse I thought looked right, and have seen way more hosed up dogs than normal-looking ones. I really don't have a lot of faith that a hand-drawn bear wouldn't look just as jank as the cg bear only in different ways  anyway the bad bear meme is getting old so how about let's table it for now and see if things improve in the next episode.
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Apr 12, 2018 05:34
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Everything Burrito posted:I honestly don't think I've ever seen an anime horse I thought looked right 
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you may not like it, but this is what peak horse looks like
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Apr 12, 2018 05:49
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that horse has the poo brain
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Everything Burrito posted:that horse has the poo brain Peak poo brain.
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https://twitter.com/mo_su983/status/982994584509673473?s=19
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the first one is in like chapter 3
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I don't care as much about the bear as I do about the main character skinning that old guy. It was dope. I probably should read the manga.
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Everything Burrito posted:stolen from the season thread: btw, finally watched the episode, and this is a load of PR nonsense, because the first thing I saw that was off was actually the campfires, which is the same ill-fitting CGI as the bear, but there's no artistic or plot reason for it to be like that.
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fire, also potentially hard to animate
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Apr 13, 2018 09:27
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Isn't this the studio's second anime?
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Waffleman_ posted:Isn't this the studio's second anime? they also did one of the Project Itoh movies but yes, this is their second tv production and coming immediately after their first just ended.
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Apr 13, 2018 14:57
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Wasn't Pine Jam's first proper anime Gamers!? That was a pretty good anime.
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Pine Jam actually did a couple shorts before Gamers, and iirc both Gamers and their follow up Just Because had various production issues despite being good shows. Geno Studio already has another upcoming tv anime on their plate on top of being fresh from doing Kokkoku so I really have no idea how these schedules are fitting together.
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dogsicle posted:no idea how these schedules are fitting together. They aren't lol. I love anime.
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