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Jun 22, 2004



There hasn't been a Neverwinter thread in quite awhile. I don't know if goons have abandoned this game or not or everything has moved over to Discord or something. I wanted to create a new thread though because I recently got back into this game, I got my first character to level 70 a week ago, my item level is over 7500, and I am having a good time with the massive end game grind. If you just got to level 70 and are overwhelmed with what to do, go here first https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJQRsT0ygvI&t=2710s watch this entire video. It is filled with amazing tips and explains a lot of mechanics and features that the game badly fails at explaining.

The most important thing you should know about Neverwinter's end game content is that it is massively grindy and there is an overwhelming amount of content for both solo story quests, and group content. This is one of the most complex MMORPGs in my opinion, with an overwhelming amount of mechanics and features. Some of which are poorly thought out but still require that you understand them and take advantage of them. That said, I still really like this MMO for how massive it is, and the Dungeons & Dragons world is just badass in general.

Official Website: Neverwinter
Steam: Link
PlayStation: Link
Xbox: Link

General Info
The basic story behind Neverwinter is that Cryptic Studios (mostly known as the guys behind City of Heroes/Villains, Champions Online and Star Trek Online) started developing the game for Atari as a single player experience with multiplayer elements several years ago. Since then, the project has been re-imagined as a much more multiplayer-focused affair. Neverwinter now seems to be patterned after Cryptic's work in COH/COV in that there are large, persistent adventure zones peppered with instanced quest areas and "dungeon delves" (five-player dungeon areas containing loot, mobs, and bosses). In general, players interact within adventure zones, dipping into instanced quest zones for story-driven solo content and small group activities. At the end of each zone's story arc, players can engage the aforementioned "delves", which make up the "raid-like" content of the game and provide the greatest rewards. The game is published by Perfect World Entertainment (who bought Cryptic and their rights to publish as Atari went down the shitter).

Two of the defining characteristics of the game are user-generated content and action-focused combat. The game has a robust toolset called "The Foundry" that allows players to construct their own adventures to share with the Neverwinter community. The toolset is available from within the Neverwinter client, and players can play and rate other player's creations from within the game. In fact, there is a daily quest for doing so. For anyone that liked the player-made quests in City of Heroes, this is very similar.

Taking a page from recent MMOs like Tera and Guild Wars 2, Neverwinter ditches traditional MMO control schemes in favor of "reactive" and "action-oriented" combat (to quote the devs). Tab-targeting is gone. Instead, players target NPC's on the fly using a reticle, as they would with a third-person action game. In deference to the 4E D&D rules, PC's can choose from two "at-will" powers that are mapped to the right/left mouse buttons. Players may then choose five additional abilities mapped to other keys: three "encounter" powers and two "daily" powers. Encounter powers are more powerful attacks or (in some cases) strong utility/CC abilities on a short cooldown. Daily powers represent players "ultimate skills" and charge up over time as players gain "action points" in combat. Finally, players must engage in active defense, using a "utility" power mapped to a dodge key (usually shift) to either avoid enemy attacks or to block using their shield (as with the Guardian Fighter class). Most people that I've talked to who have played throughout the beta think that the devs really nailed the feel of fun active combat here, and that the combat is the best draw for this game.

You can read more about Neverwinter's combat system here:
http://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Combat

Classes
As previously mentioned, Neverwinter is based on 4th Edition D&D rules and lore. As such, it takes a number of cues from the 4E skill system (including things like feats - which largely act in the Neverwinter incarnation in the place of talents). It's important to note that 4E acts as an inspirational foundation for the game, and that Cryptic has pretty obviously modified a lot of things to fit the game into the action MMO model.

The game launched with five classes. There are now eight. Class holds little real importance in solo content, as players have ample access to health potions, healing companions, and lots of damage avoidance through active abilities. The harder, five-man "dungeon delves" require a bit more rigidity in party composition and a good balance between DPS types, control types, and healers. Please keep in mind that any build suggestions in this thread or anywhere else are subject to whatever nerf or buff Cryptic feels like handing out on any given day. To keep up with the latest good builds, we recommend you follow the official forums at http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/forum.php

As of Module 7, the classes are as follows:

Guardian Fighter
As the name implies, this class primarily fulfills a tank role in group play. Wielding a one-handed weapon and shield, Guardians focus on defending their buddies, slamming monsters with powerful attacks, and generally keeping the attention on them. They are unique among the classes in that they have the ability to block attacks rather than being able to dodge them. They are at their best in PvP, although with recent buffs I am told they are decent in PvE as well.

Great-Weapon Fighter
Do you like being a tough guy/gal in heavy armor with a big hammer or greatsword? Then the Great Weapon Fighter is for you. These guys form a DPS class with an AoE focus. When properly geared, they can both deal and take awesome amounts of damage and are pretty effective tanks. GWF's can hand out a pretty good beatdown in both PvE and PvP content.

Trickster Rogue
Trickster Rogues are the stealthy class in Neverwinter. They are a DPS class focused on dealing out large amounts of single-target damage and (of course) sneaking about. At the moment, this class is most useful in PvP content, as the stealth elements in the game aren't terribly well-implemented and rogues can be effectively replaced with another DPS class in dungeons and other PvE content. I'm told there are modifications coming up in the next module, however, so have faith.

Control Wizard
The famous OP class of Neverwinter Online. Not only do CW's provide a large amount of DPS (even after recent damage nerfs), they also are the one class that is largely focused on controlling enemies, which means they are very much needed in end-game PvE and PvP content. AoE, single target, control... these guys can do it all. Wizards are also absolutely essential for end-game dungeons, and the more the better.

Devoted Cleric
The healing specialists of Neverwinter, Devoted Clerics can use a variety of direct heals, AoE heals, and reactive heals (e.g. wards they place on mobs that heal damage dealers). Their wards can also grant temporary HP to keep their buddies alive. Clerics are also able to wield the holy fury of their gods to smite foes, lash them with divine fire, and control them with bonds of energy. The Devoted Cleric works in a more active role than healers in most other MMO's, which makes this class somewhat challenging and fun to play.

The (dated) DC build posted by Istar can be found here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...2#post425680039

Hunter Ranger
A combined ranged/melee class. Tab is used to switch between ranged or melee, and dailies don't necessarily cost 100% of your AP, as they do with other classes. HR's are strikers focused on taking out enemies quickly. They cannot withstand much punishment from enemies, so strategy and tactics play a large role in the life of a Hunter Ranger. Play one if you like characters that attack from a distance using strategy.

Scourge Warlock
Warlocks can fill one of two roles in a group: they can dedicate themselves to the dark arts and decimate their foes by dealing necrotic damage and cursing foes, or they can perform a support role by tearing the souls from their foes to heal and empower their allies. At the moment, because of lifesteal changes, the temptation spec has fallen out of favor. Instead, spec into the soul puppet, which is amazing and for bonus points sometimes glitches out for millions of damage.

Oathbound Paladin
The newest class in the game, this hybrid tank/healer has the potential to be literally unkillable, which is somewhat useful in the new endgame encounters. Levelling is also a breeze early on as they can output a fair amount of damage in PvE. They also utilize auras, which are essentially class features they share with the group, damage mitigation and sharing, and some pretty cool looking blue glowbubble lasers to be everyone's best friend. Sadly, no alignment system means hardcore roleplay isn't required.

Races
The main reason to pick one race over another in Neverwinter is the ability bonuses (bonuses to STR, WIS, CON, etc.) and racial traits that accompany race selection. Although all classes are available to all races, certain races are naturally better suited to certain classes because of these bonuses. Since this and class selection are the most important aspects of character creation, I've attempted a brief rundown of the races and their traits below. Some of the races are locked behind a pay wall (I have marked these with in their descriptions), but since they don't offer any real advantage bonus-wise over the free races, it's mostly a cosmetic purchase.

Human
Humans can apply a +2 bonus to any single ability they choose.
Their "Versatile Defense" trait gives them a 3% bonus to defense.
Their "Heroic Effort" trait grants them 3 extra feat points at levels 10, 15, and 20 respectively.

Drow
Drow get an ability bonus of +2 DEX and +2 to either CHA or WIS as selected by the player.
Their "Darkfire" racial trait means that Drow have a 5% chance when attacking to reduce an enemy's defense by 10% for 4 seconds.
Their "Trance" racial trait means that they recover HP and injuries twice as fast while sitting by a campfire.

Dwarf
Dwarves get an ability bonus of +2 CON and +2 to either STR or WIS as selected by the player.
They have an increased resistance to knockback and repel effects due to their "Stand Your Ground" racial trait.
They have an increased resistance to Damage over Time (DoT) effects due to their "Cast Iron Stomach" racial trait.

Half-Orc
Half-Orcs get an ability bonus of +2 DEX and +2 to either STR or CON as selected by the player.
Their critical hits do an additional 5% damage thanks to their "Furious Assault" racial trait.
They gain a 10% bonus to run speed upon entering combat thanks to their "Swift Charge" racial trait. This effect can only occur once every 20 seconds.

Halfling
Halflings get an ability bonus of +2 DEX and +2 to either CHA or CON as selected by the player.
Their "Nimble Reaction" racial trait means they have a +3% chance to deflect attacks.
Their "Bold" racial trait increases their resistance to crowd control effects by 10%.

Tiefling
Tieflings get an ability bonus of +2 CHA and +2 to either INT or CON as selected by the player.
Their "Bloodhunt" racial trait means they deal an additional 5% damage to enemies who are below 50% health.
Their "Infernal Wrath" racial trait means that whenever they are hit, they have a 10% chance to lower the power of their attacker by 5% for 5 seconds.

Half-Elf
Half-Elves get an ability bonus of +2 CON and +2 to either CHA or WIS as selected by the player.
Their "Dilettante" racial trait grants them a +1 bonus to a random, non-class stat after you have created your half-elf and entered the world.
Their "Knack for Success" racial trait gives them +1% Critical Severity, +1% Deflect, and +1% Gold find.

Sun Elf
Sun Elves get an ability bonus of +2 INT and +2 to either DEX or CHA as selected by the player.
Their "Inner Calm" racial trait means they have +2% action point gain.
Their "Sun Elf Grace" racial trait increases their resistance to crowd control effects by 10%.

Wood Elf
Wood Elves get an ability bonus of +2 DEX and +2 to either INT or WIS as selected by the player.
Their "Elven Accuracy" racial trait means they have +1% chance to crit.
Their "Wild Step" racial trait means that they have 10% resistance to slow .

Moon Elf Requires Feywild Pack
Wood Elves get an ability bonus of +2 INT and +2 to either DEX or CHA as selected by the player.
Their "Wanderlust" racial trait means they have +1% action point gain and +1% stamina gain.
Their "Moon Elf Resilience" racial trait increases their resistance to crowd control effects by 10%.

Menzoberranzan Renegade (a.k.a. special snowflake Drizzt Do'Urden Drow) Requires Hero of the North Pack

Renegades get an ability bonus of +2 DEX and +2 to either WIS or CHA as selected by the player. This is the same ability bonus as normal drow.
Their "Faerie Fire" racial trait means they have a 5% chance when attacking to lower an enemy's power and defense by 6% for 4 seconds.
Their "Trance" racial trait means that they recover HP and injuries twice as fast while sitting by a campfire. This trait is shared with normal drow.

The Dragonborn (a.k.a. Scalies) Requires Dragonborn Legend Pack

Dragonborn receive a +2 bonus to any two abilities.
Their "Dragonborn Fury" racial trait means that their Power and Critical Strike are increased by 3%.
Their "Draconic Heritage" racial trait means that they recieve 5% more healing from all spells and abilities.
Choosing a Religion and Backstory
While you are creating a character, you'll be given the option to choose a deity, hometown, and vague backstory for your shiny new adventurer. This whole screen and everything on it is entirely cosmetic. No matter which combination of things you choose here, you'll start in the same area, follow the same questline, and be given the same bonuses for invoking that everyone gets. With this in mind, go nuts and pick whatever you like. You will receive a cosmetic player "title" (selectable from the "History" tab on your character sheet) that denotes your city/region of origin, so I guess that's something to consider.

Leveling
Really the only things you need to worry about when leveling are:
Becoming familiar with how your chosen class works and what its best skills are, and filling out your feat and power trees accordingly.
Conserving your ID scrolls, which cost AD.
Saving up for a mount ASAP (or withdrawing 5g from the guild bank for a mount ASAP)
Checking the guild bank for supplies before buying from a vendor- we have all the gold you could ever need to buy anything you could want if we don't have it.
Most importantly, make sure you do the quest lines in the Blacklake and Neverdeath zones, as these reward you with bags that are essential for the inventory space they provide.
If there is anything about the grind to 70 that you need help with (defeating a lair boss, for example), don't be afraid to ask for help in chat. Additionally, once you hit 70, check the guild bank for gear.



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Jun 22, 2004

DeathSandwich posted:

Is this game still a nightmare of a million different faction tokens/currencies that all do different things or did they ever streamline things? Is it still a never ending dig at you for microtransactions to open CHESTS CHESTS ALL THE CHESTS?

Yes to both questions, sadly. :/ I hope Cryptic eventually streamlines these things because right now it is out of control.

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Jun 22, 2004

iminers posted:

So is there a goon guild? or are you in another guild.

There's no goon guild that i'm aware of. I'm in a pubbie guild/alliance.

Nipponophile posted:

So I picked this up back at launch due to brain problems which leave me incapable of not playing an MMO. After updating and farting around a bit today, I'm almost up to level 20. I'm not sure I have the commitment for that climb.

For what it's worth, getting to level 70 is pretty quick and takes very little commitment. You could get there and then stop at that point, but it might be worth it to just do your daily dungeon run once a day and your professions. Refine Astral Diamonds and save up to spend on gear on the auction house. The queue times for the dungeons are instant because no one does any of the other content as it's a waste of time. The campaign boons are nice, but I feel like the grind is so crazy that it just isn't worth it.

I said come in! fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Apr 30, 2018

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Jun 22, 2004

Correct, Cryptic shut that down last year.

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Jun 22, 2004

I am looking forward to Magic the Gathering MMORPG because it'll be a fresh start to a Cryptic MMO and so at least the first year or so won't be overloaded with absurd content and 100 currencies.

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Jun 22, 2004

I'm really addicted to this game and wish other goons played it. Working my way through the pre-level 70 campaigns and that alone is an overwhelming amount of content with a lot of daily quests. The boons are worth it though as they make you noticeably more powerful.

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Jun 22, 2004

rodbeard posted:

I just started this game. It looks like there isn't much goon presence. Is there a good guide for what to do on a daily basis? So far I'm just running through the story quests but there are an overwhelming amount of stuff in the hub city that didn't get mentioned in any of the tutorial quests.

Just focus on getting to level 70 first and then watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJQRsT0ygvI#t

It's a long video but full of very useful information for fresh level 70s. There are a lot of mechanics that are never really explained in-game. In order to keep myself from burning out, I focus on just one campaign at a time, some of these campaigns are spread across multiple zones, so I finish one zone completely in the campaign (once I get all of the boons) before moving on. Right now i'm doing Sharandar which is a huge daily quest campaign that takes quite a bit of time to do and you have to keep coming back to it each day to earn its zone currencies to unlock the next boons and areas for more dailies.

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Jun 22, 2004

DancingShade posted:

Neverwinter was hosed in closed alpha and none of the critical issues were fixed before it went into Beta. Then it launched with them still in place which is why the economy was perma hosed immediately. I'm talking core underlying systems, not game play here.

But speaking of game play, did you know the great weapon fighter wasn't even implemented in engine until about a week before the public got it? The one testing session we had armor didn't work (at all) so you couldn't even kill trash mobs without chugging 20 healing potions so we went "gently caress it" and stopped testing.

I'm sure none of these issues will happen with the MTG MMO though :v:

I still wish I stuck it out with Neverwinter from the start. I didn't start playing until the day the game went live and then I got a character to the cap of 60 at the time and then stopped playing until years later. Assuming MTG MMO is promising I want to do that with that game. If nothing else Cryptic does show that they support their MMOs long term with new content. I think players are pretty happy with the PvE content in Neverwinter right now, but wish the PvP was actually good (it's horrible).

I'm realizing the currencies and dailies are not that bad once you understand what to prioritize and do things in small chunks. No matter whether you poopsock or play casually, you won't finish all of the PvE content anytime soon.

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Jun 22, 2004

Yesterday I did my first raid, and this morning I finished all of the boons for Sharandar. So that was pretty cool. One of the last boons you can earn increases your power after every kill and stacks up to 30 times. I can increase my power from 16,500 to 22,900 with this.

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Jun 22, 2004

Getting to 70 period in Neverwinter is super fast. I am really glad for this. The end game content is where the real grind begins anyways. Every other MMO makes it where the grind is getting to the level cap and then they have virtually no end game content.

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Jun 22, 2004

rodbeard posted:

Ok now that I'm at 70 I have no idea what to do next. Is there an order I should be tackling things because I really don't have poo poo for gear on account of flying through the game. Is there a place to start gearing up so I can at least last more than 5 seconds in the high level zones?

Start with the elemental evil campaign, and Sharadar, and do your daily random dungeon each day. Spend your astral diamonds on the auction house for gear that increases your power, hit points, and critical strike.

Thranguy posted:

Start with sharandar and dread ring and maze engine. Also finish the first half of dragons if you haven't yet. Do the random queues you have unlocked each day too. Get rings with protectors seals, and consider buying the chultan crafted weapons and drowcraft underwear on the ah. Run the epic dungeons you have unlocked for other gear. Try to get r7+ enchants and runestones in all slots of your gear and you active companion and it's gear, at least blue insignia in all mounts. Then start saving for bonding runestones and VIP...

This is all really good advice too. I actually need to still get bonding runestones.... :P But for what it's worth my item level is 10,200 now and I have 20,000 power.

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Jun 22, 2004

Seals of the Brave are becoming the new currency for running dungeons with the release of the next module. This means Chult gear will be very easy to obtain which is going to result in a significant item level increase for casual players.

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Jun 22, 2004

June 26! So Just a few weeks away. Don't quote me on this but I think you're okay anyways.

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Jun 22, 2004

That is okay, wait until you are able to queue them up as random, the rewards are better but that will still be a long ways away. To be honest anyways, the epic dungeons do not really drop that good of gear. Unless I am missing something obvious, i've yet to ever get an upgrade from one. Everyone seems to run normal dungeons as that gives you the most AD.

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Jun 22, 2004

There's a huge sale going on right now on the cash shop. I spent $40 to finish off the boons I needed which was just two campaigns left. Worth it. Spend what zen I had remaining for refinement points to refine gear and got my item level over 11,000. Plus I got some sort of armored chicken mount for free that is pretty badass looking. There's a bunch of free stuff being given away right now too.

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Jun 22, 2004

Don't buy the Voninblod gear, next week it's changing over to Chult gear which is way more powerful and doesn't require upkeep.

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Jun 22, 2004

Bobby Deluxe posted:

That sounds good. Is that PC only or is that PS4 as well?

It's part of the huge Module 13 content update, it launches for all platforms on Tuesday.


PsychoLordling posted:

any active Neverwinter guild on PC?

No active goon guilds. I joined a random guild/alliance myself and that is how i've been learning a lot about the game. I'm up to item level 11,500 now but still have a long ways to go. So much gear to upgrade. :P

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Jun 22, 2004

Ravenloft is live now, but I am having trouble logging in. Not unexpected though, large patch days for MMOs is always a mess.

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Jun 22, 2004

You can honestly get to 70 in a weekend, like 5 days of casual playing even. It's super easy. The real grind comes after that. You absolutely won't get to do Ravenloft anytime soon though, it requires an item level of 13,000 which is going to take a few months. But if this is anything like Chult then 13,000 isn't going to cut it either.

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Jun 22, 2004

My apologies, Ravenloft has not launched yet for consoles, only PC.

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Jun 22, 2004

I don't think Neverwinter launched with a monthly subscription, it was free to play right out of the gate. Their previous MMORPGs had a monthly sub though.

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Jun 22, 2004

rodbeard posted:

Why is everyone in the random dungeons queue always so much faster than me? I thought after hitting 70 I'd be able to keep up with them but every day it's a slow stroll through a dungeon someone's already completed.

They are all whales that spent hundreds of dollars on their characters. I have an item level of 11,800 and I still can't keep up.

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Jun 22, 2004

I remember at launch it was still super fast. You easily outleveled the content. Star Trek Online, and Champions Online were like that too, so that is kinda Cryptics M.O. and then their end game content is just absurdly difficult.

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Jun 22, 2004

Yes, you lose your guild boons which can be quite severe to character progression. I feel like boons need a complete overhaul because how they are earned is frustrating and confusing.

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Jun 22, 2004

Len posted:

Is the OP still mostly up to date? looking for a new time sink and I might give this a shot.

It is! NWN is straight forward until level 70, so at the very least this is a good free game to get into until then. I haven't been playing lately, but also have put in over 880 hours so i'm burning out on NWN myself.

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Jun 22, 2004

Yeah, i've played the console version and couldn't stand the controls and UI. PC is way better and gets content updates faster.

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Jun 22, 2004

tweet my meat posted:

Ah jeez, 2 months of endgame grinding sounds really rough. I'll still probably give the game a shot but it seems kinda dead on ps4.

I was wondering about PS4/Xbox populations. I play on PC and it's still super busy here. The social hubs are crowded with players and getting into dungeons is instant.

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Jun 22, 2004

I went whale mode on this game and don't regret it. Bought over a year worth of VIP, the expensive inventory expansion space, and boon unlocks like a stupid fool. Don't regret it even though i'm pretty much taking a long break from the game right now.

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Jun 22, 2004

Sadly not. Attempts were made but there just isn't the interest in this game on SA. I've mode onto other games myself. :/ The end game grind got to be too much for me after 6 months.

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Jun 22, 2004

victrix posted:

Can you play this with a controller on PC?

How solo friendly is this as far as just jamming through stories and quests?

How easy/awful is it to do group content that finishes or ties into story arcs?

I don't think you can play with a controller, but the game is super solo friendly, and group content is actually one of the easiest out there for an MMO. Its usually just one person blowing through all of the content for everyone else.

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Jun 22, 2004

Neverwinter has always been extremely challenging, so I don't really know what people were expecting. Leveling up is easy, but the end game content is hard as gently caress, at least when I last played. When I made this thread, Lost City of Omu was of course the newest content, and that was insanely hard. It took forever to get the gear necessary to tackle that content.

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