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LeVeon to the Jets what
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Mar 13, 2019 05:29
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Silly Burrito posted:Nah, Nuk. Possible. Not convinced, but definitely possible.
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Poque posted:LeVeon to the Jets what I'm trying to figure out what this will do for his value, and I just cannot
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Mar 13, 2019 12:47
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:OBJ #1 WR off the board. Nuk, Juju, & Adams still ahead of OBJ to me.
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Mar 13, 2019 14:03
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I think I'm going Nuk, OBJ, Adams. The big question is where Brown falls.
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Mar 13, 2019 18:17
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I need a big ol show your work for JuJu at 2. He doesn't have a lot of room to grow in terms of target volume, plus the shrinking of the offense, plus the better defenders guarding him. I trust you I just don't see where JuJu can take a massive step forward from 166 targets when AB maxed out at 193. It's baking in a step forward in the flukiest of things: touchdowns
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Mar 13, 2019 18:21
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Where do ABs 169 targets from last year go? When he was out week 17, his targets basically went to Rogers and Samuels.
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Mar 13, 2019 18:38
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Ben Nevis posted:Where do ABs 169 targets from last year go? When he was out week 17, his targets basically went to Rogers and Samuels. To the secret superstar, James Washington
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Azhais posted:To the secret superstar, James Washington This is the answer for mining value in Pittsburgh. He had 65+ yards in week 15 and 17
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Mar 13, 2019 18:56
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Ben Nevis posted:I think I'm going Nuk, OBJ, Adams. The big question is where Brown falls. I have obj more down around wr 6/7 now. I think this is not really great for him. Browns threw less than the Giants last year, and even less with kitchens and Baker. Hard to make room for a 160 target year for OBJ, especially if they start winning games and running the ball more due to grinding out clock.
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Zauper posted:I have obj more down around wr 6/7 now. I think this is not really great for him. Browns threw less than the Giants last year, and even less with kitchens and Baker. Hard to make room for a 160 target year for OBJ, especially if they start winning games and running the ball more due to grinding out clock. The other way to look at this is that Baker will be trusted more in his 2nd year and now they have a legit gamebreaking WR option, so the passing volume increases.
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Mar 13, 2019 19:39
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Zauper posted:I have obj more down around wr 6/7 now. I think this is not really great for him. Browns threw less than the Giants last year, and even less with kitchens and Baker. Hard to make room for a 160 target year for OBJ, especially if they start winning games and running the ball more due to grinding out clock. Landry saw 149 targets, that can easily dip by a good bit. Callaway, Higgins, Perriman, and Ratley combined for 175. Duke Johnson saw 62, Chubb+Hyde 38. Take 30 targets from Landry, 20 total from the RBs, and 100ish from that collection of WRs. And yeah, that's assuming they don't throw any more than they did last year, despite Baker being awesome and adding Beckham to the mix.
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Mar 13, 2019 19:46
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Spoeank posted:This is the answer for mining value in Pittsburgh. He had 65+ yards in week 15 and 17 I feel by the time draft season rolls around he is going to be so overhyped as a sleeper he will be going way too early.
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Mar 13, 2019 19:50
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Zauper posted:I have obj more down around wr 6/7 now. I think this is not really great for him. Browns threw less than the Giants last year, and even less with kitchens and Baker. Hard to make room for a 160 target year for OBJ, especially if they start winning games and running the ball more due to grinding out clock. I read that Baker was the #1 QB by passer rating for downfield throws in the 8 (?) weeks he started - this should be a pretty great situation for both he and OBJ. But it isn't like wr6/7 is a bad thing anyway, WR is pretty top-heavy.
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Mar 13, 2019 20:20
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jabro posted:I feel by the time draft season rolls around he is going to be so overhyped as a sleeper he will be going way too early. This. I'm kinda feeling like most of the Steelers are going to go higher than I'd rank them next year. Except Vance McDonald.
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Mar 13, 2019 20:33
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Mar 13, 2019 22:27
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Mar 13, 2019 23:11
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Gobias Ind. posted:The other way to look at this is that Baker will be trusted more in his 2nd year and now they have a legit gamebreaking WR option, so the passing volume increases. It's possible, but... well, efficient offenses with gamebreaking WRs tended to pass the same or less than the browns did last year. KC threw the ball 9 more times than the Browns (same as the Giants). The Rams threw it 6 fewer times. Teams that tended to get a lead and hold it with good defense, rather than having high scoring games like those two threw it significantly less -- the Chargers (and Bears) passed 62 fewer times. Given the playcalling distribution of Kitchens and the expectations for the Browns D to be really good, I'd expect them to be running out the clock more. quote:Landry saw 149 targets, that can easily dip by a good bit. Callaway, Higgins, Perriman, and Ratley combined for 175. Duke Johnson saw 62, Chubb+Hyde 38. Take 30 targets from Landry, 20 total from the RBs, and 100ish from that collection of WRs. And yeah, that's assuming they don't throw any more than they did last year, despite Baker being awesome and adding Beckham to the mix. I think expecting the collection of WR3s to go from ~170 targets to ~50 is pretty ridiculous. More likely the bulk of the volume comes from Landry's role and he takes it from Njoku, which has other fantasy implications, and seems unlikely because Kitchens seemed to like Njoku. If you look at other teams with similar passing volume and WR quality, you'll see the top WR don't usually wind up with that kind of volume (10+ tgts/game like OBJ was getting). The Steelers do it, but they also throw the ball ~100 more times than the Browns did last year, and lead the league by about 50 pass attempts: Rams - Woods 132, Cooks 116, Kupp+Reynolds 109, and 80ish to the TEs. Chiefs - Kelce 150, Hill 136, Watkins 55 NEP - Edelman 108, Gronk 72 Vikings - Thielen 155, Diggs 148 The Vikings do it, but they do it by essentially not throwing to anyone but Thielen, Diggs, and Rudolph. Kitchens spread the ball around a lot more, and clearly likes Njoku and maybe Callaway. Maybe OBJ means they won't spread the ball around while they did with Landry, we'll see -- but I think expecting OBJ to see the same kind of 160+ targets he was getting in NY is unrealistic.
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Mar 14, 2019 13:14
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We finally had our end of year payout/rules meeting today. Nothing major, but now I'm jonesing to have a draft now. Too bad we've got five months to go. 
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Even if OBJ sees a dip in targets, the fact that Baker is throwing him the football instead of Eli is a significant upgrade. I just realized Freddie Kitchens is their head coach and I don't know how to feel about that.
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Fitzmagic is now the starting QB of the Miami Dophins. Who still have DeVante Parker. Is it just me or is this year seemingly primed to have several teams that should be avoided at all costs? I feel like Washington, the NY Giants, and now the Dolphins are going to be fantasy wastelands. Am I wrong in thinking this?
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Fitzmagic is now the starting QB of the Miami Dophins. Who still have DeVante Parker. I think it is too soon to say. If the Giants draft a QB, I think they aren't as scary. I still love Saquon. But Miami is a dumpster fire I have no faith in. The big lesson I took from last year was to take ten teams and just not draft anyone on them. I want high-powered offenses.
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Sataere posted:I think it is too soon to say. If the Giants draft a QB, I think they aren't as scary. I still love Saquon. But Miami is a dumpster fire I have no faith in. I don't see how a rookie would make them less scary. They have no receivers, outside of maybe Evan Engram.
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Funny enough, the Giants player with the most receptions last year was Saquon Barkley with 91. He was also only three targets behind OBJ for most targets on the team. Pretty safe to say that Barkley is now the Giants best RB and WR.
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Mar 18, 2019 02:44
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Gearman posted:Funny enough, the Giants player with the most receptions last year was Saquon Barkley with 91. He was also only three targets behind OBJ for most targets on the team. Pretty safe to say that Barkley is now the Giants best RB and WR. He'll be dead by week 3.
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I am currently getting yelled at on Twitter dot com because apparently the consensus #6 dyno TE Hunter Henry was "left for dead" and I said that was stupid to say. Everyone is dumb as hell about fantasy football and it's exhausting. Including me.
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Spoeank posted:I am currently getting yelled at on Twitter dot com because apparently the consensus #6 dyno TE Hunter Henry was "left for dead" and I said that was stupid to say. Wait are people not expecting him to do well?
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Wait are people not expecting him to do well? No! He's consensus TE6 and people on fantasy Twitter just make things up to better serve their point because being in line with the consensus isn't sexy.
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Mar 18, 2019 06:28
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Spoeank posted:I am currently getting yelled at on Twitter dot com because apparently the consensus #6 dyno TE Hunter Henry was "left for dead" and I said that was stupid to say. He’s a sell for me because so many people still over value him. I don't see any possible chance he gets the target volume to live up to his ADP. He would need a Keenan Allen or Mike Williams injury, IMO. I see him getting 85-95 targets, maybe 100 if he's lucky. With Mike Williams being the established TD guy, where's the ceiling? He's valued at TE6-8 in dynasty right now and that's probably his absolute ceiling production. I'd bet Austin Hooper out-produces Henry and you can pivot to Henry from Hooper and get a piece on top rather easily. Mark Andrews is another guy you can pivot too in the same type of deal. He really isn't different than either of those two players.
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Alfalfa posted:He’s a sell for me because so many people still over value him. 85-95 targets is right in line with ~TE6? iirc there were 5 TEs with more than 90 targets last year. Mike Williams is really no more than established TD guy than HH frankly -- they've played a similar number of games, and HH has more TDs, and Williams isn't exactly a target hog. He needs an injury to compete with the top 2/3 TEs, but he doesn't to live up to a value of 6-8.
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Without any knowledge of the draft and assuming no injuries, where exactly where you put Le'Veon Bell in the RB rankings this year? 5th? 6th?
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Well take Hunt and Gurley and Saquon and lower all of them. I'd rather have Bell than any of them. Who would be higher than Bell? Zeke.
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Silly Burrito posted:Without any knowledge of the draft and assuming no injuries, where exactly where you put Le'Veon Bell in the RB rankings this year? 5th? 6th? I think probably 8th depending on how you order up your tiers T1 Zeke/Saquon/Gurley T2 Kamara/CMC/Gordon/Conner/Bell Then a drop to like Chubb and Mixon and DJ. Chubb could arguably be above Bell though.
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Spoeank posted:I think probably 8th depending on how you order up your tiers Weird to think of David Johnson as a Tier 3 RB. I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's a pretty steep drop.
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