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hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

thatfatkid posted:

Being fat harms children by teaching them that it's ok to live an unhealthy lifestyle.

You've confused teaching children it's ok to live an unhealthy lifestyle and being fat.

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thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
It's the same logic that smoking or drinking around children normalises such unhealthy behaviour. Being fat around a child normalises such a lifestyle.

G-Spot Run
Jun 28, 2005
There's no such thing as healthy smoking or even really healthy drinking, it's all poison, not doing a thing is a simple message. Healthy eating is a trickier lesson because we all have to eat and besides not all fat people are living fat on a diet of KFC and cola. It's the differences person to person that muddy the healthy eating fat lifestyle waters when I can cook everything from basically raw ingredients and be fat while some shitlord can eat ALDI ready meals and be a stuff breeze away from blowing away.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

thatfatkid posted:

It's the same logic that smoking or drinking around children normalises such unhealthy behaviour. Being fat around a child normalises such a lifestyle.

So you're pro alcohol shaming and against fatshaming people who don't have or interact with kids?

What about the other things I mentioned, poor diet (exclusive of fatness), playing injury prone sports (netball anyone?), etc are you for shaming people out of those too for the protection of children?

Because it smells like you're looking for reasons to confirm your biases, not a good faith effort to protect children.

bell jar
Feb 25, 2009

hmm, a user called thatfatkid advocating against fat people, i wonder if they are serious at all

Knorth
Aug 19, 2014

Buglord
It's extremely frustrating to see attempts to maybe possibly start a process to stop the food industry from continuing to cause incredible harm to people's health bring out people's weird bigotry against the overweight and subsequent defenses
Like, the fact that companies are able to make this poo poo cheaper than water and just loving pump it out everywhere with colourful and friendly advertising is horrifying, of course people are going to be hooked on it from childhood and the only thing it does is put people in early graves. gently caress, even cigarettes could provide an actual use sometimes, heavily sugared drinks do nothing except overload your system
Sorry, this was pretty ranty but the food industry is not our friend and it doesn't feel great to see people (not necessarily in here, more in general) immediately jump to it's defense because it's insinuated itself so pervasively into our lives and economy

Knorth fucked around with this message at 08:23 on May 1, 2018

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

G-Spot Run posted:

There's no such thing as healthy smoking or even really healthy drinking, it's all poison, not doing a thing is a simple message. Healthy eating is a trickier lesson because we all have to eat and besides not all fat people are living fat on a diet of KFC and cola. It's the differences person to person that muddy the healthy eating fat lifestyle waters when I can cook everything from basically raw ingredients and be fat while some shitlord can eat ALDI ready meals and be a stuff breeze away from blowing away.

Dont KFC shame me

Or hot star for that natter

Or mcnuggs

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

ch...cheeseynugs

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

G-Spot Run posted:

There's no such thing as ... healthy drinking

The only dangerous amount is none

bigis
Jun 21, 2006
Be fat, but get absolutely FUKT if you vote libs

G-Spot Run
Jun 28, 2005

bell jar posted:

hmm, a user called thatfatkid advocating against fat people, i wonder if they are serious at all

Probably, but there are plenty of people who actually believe that logic. Thin people bootstrapped themselves to their fine physical form and are not at all a product of the decisions their parents made, where they live, etc

Schlesische
Jul 4, 2012

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Yeah but you could have said the same thing about him going to trial. I know I did.

Win, Lose or Draw this is going to be horrific for the Catholic Church in Australia. When stuff leaks, and it's going to leak, it's not going to be pretty.

What I'm saying here is that Pell's hosed either way.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
The Queensland government is expected to pass new land-clearing laws on Tuesday amid fierce protests by farmers on the steps of the state parliament.

The laws are an attempt to rein in soaring clearing rates and restore environmental protections that were scrapped in 2013. The Climate Council estimates bushland more than seven times the size of Brisbane – about 1m hectares – was cleared between 2012 and 2016.

About 500 farmers from across the state, wearing green shirts and waving signs that proclaimed them the “true environmentalists”, demonstrated on the grounds that the changes will harm the state’s agricultural sector. They didn’t miss the opportunity to point out that city dwellers’ smashed avocado and soy lattes were, in many cases, products of Queensland farming.

Jacqui Tickell, a cattle farmer, said there were misconceptions about the role of pastoralists in land clearing.

“We’re not broadscale clearing,” she said. “We’re just managing the regrowth of trees. If we just leave that there, there will be a huge problem with thickening, no sun will hit the ground, and there will be no grass there, no grass for any of the animals.

“We can’t just walk away. We need to fight these laws and let Queensland know that we’re for the environment.”

The Palaszczuk government attempted to pass similar laws during its first term, but they were defeated by the crossbench. Labor won a majority at the 2017 election and now has the numbers to pass the reforms.

One Nation senator Pauline Hanson, who told News Corp she would oppose land clearing for solar farms if the laws were passed, and Katter’s Australian party MPs attended the rally and joined in chants of “no farmers, no food”.

Nationals senator Matt Canavan also told News Corp on Tuesday he would consider challenging the vegetation management laws in the high court, on the basis that they may breach the Racial Discrimination Act by stifling economic development opportunities in Cape York.

A parliamentary committee that had been scrutinising the laws earlier this month recommended the government give priority to measures to “better support Aboriginal landowners to realise sustainable agriculture development opportunities”. It is unclear yet whether the bill will be amended as a result of this recommendation.

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

hooman posted:

Being fat harms only yourself, bigotry and racism harms others.

And before you start on the health costs to society, alcohol, cigarettes (which also harm others), thin people who don't exercise, eating sugar, riding without a helmet, contact sports, etc. etc. etc

thin people with genetic conditions.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Are we defining fat as overweight or obese, because those two have become partially interchangable in "fat people" debates and colours the view of who is saying them. "Fat" is a vaguer term and the people here saying they're fat i have been assuming mean overweight dads.

G-Spot Run
Jun 28, 2005
My BMI is 30 and it makes me chuffed

bell jar
Feb 25, 2009

Lid posted:

Are we defining fat as overweight or obese, because those two have become partially interchangable in "fat people" debates and colours the view of who is saying them. "Fat" is a vaguer term and the people here saying they're fat i have been assuming mean overweight dads.

no gatekeeping. self identifying fatties are valid

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
less gatekeeping more medically accepted terminology

The Before Times
Mar 8, 2014

Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

Lid posted:

less gatekeeping more medically accepted terminology

I mean, the article that sparked it all was about how more than 80% of aussies are going to be overweight or obese by 20whatever, so it's much of a muchness

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
eh, since 2010 the average australian man and woman are overweight, so that a lot here are "fat" isn't an unusual thing, including myself, and why i was trying to differentiate that from obese because the discussion becomes not about fat but about the average australian

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

GoldStandardConure posted:

thin people with genetic conditions.

The kids are going to see you and think that genetic conditions are desirable and then they'll have one when they're older.

you monster

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
https://twitter.com/samanthamaiden/status/991115503337848832

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-01/cyber-spy-agency-expansion-should-be-considered-dutton-says/9715176

quote:

A push to expand the powers of the country's cyber spy agency to collect intelligence on Australians is being backed by Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton.

The controversial idea to restructure the Australian Signals Directorate (ASD) is strongly opposed by some in Cabinet who argue it is not necessary.

The ABC understands Home Affairs secretary Mike Pezzullo and Defence secretary Greg Moriarty have discussed giving ASD a domestic role with three elements.

Firstly, ASD's unrivalled ability to shut down computer systems — a so-called "cyber effects" power — could be used within Australia, targeting organised criminals, terrorists and child pornographers.

ASD would also be allowed to conduct covert "penetration tests" on Australian companies to test their cyber security and vulnerability to hacker attack.

Such tests are already conducted on companies with their express permission.

Thirdly, ASD would be given coercive powers to enable the agency — which becomes an independent statutory body on July 1 — to direct companies and government agencies to improve their cyber security.

Intelligence agencies are prioritising making sure that critical infrastructure is impervious to ever-more sophisticated malicious cyber attack.

The agencies believe that infrastructure like telecommunications, banks, health, energy and insurance networks need to be protected from hidden weaknesses that could be exploited.

Lid fucked around with this message at 09:45 on May 1, 2018

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Lid posted:

eh, since 2010 the average australian man and woman are overweight, so that a lot here are "fat" isn't an unusual thing, including myself, and why i was trying to differentiate that from obese because the discussion becomes not about fat but about the average australian

It's a problem with definitions and height as well. BMI doesn't scale very well with getting taller. When I was very fit and 16% body fat I was still technically obese when that's actually a very healthy weight for me and lower than I'm aiming for now.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Konomex posted:

I hated landlords so much I became my own landlord. Free yourself from the yolk of landlord oppression and take up the yolk of bank oppression.

Don't egg them on :v:

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?
So CBA committed 1000's of crimes on Terrorism and Drug Money Laundering, and their penalty is to given a book report to read. Also, the man in charge of the arm of the bank, is now in charge of the Bank, a clear promotion for a job well done. The Market rewarded them too (which presumably is going to his bonus as well).

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Comstar posted:

So CBA committed 1000's of crimes on Terrorism and Drug Money Laundering, and their penalty is to given a book report to read. Also, the man in charge of the arm of the bank, is now in charge of the Bank, a clear promotion for a job well done. The Market rewarded them too (which presumably is going to his bonus as well).

Why do you hate job creators and innovators so much?

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Get back in the salt mines

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Lid posted:

Get back in the salt mines

That's it, I'm calling the Business Council of Australia!

*runs off crying*

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches





Coercing businesses and government departments to increase their cyber security is good, seeing as most of them don't have any, and don't care, and never get punished when they avoidably lose data.

The rest of it is Erdogan poo poo that should be strapped to Dutton and then fired into the sun.

This also explains why my friend said everyone in Canberra is desperately trying to hire Cyber Security people, and also why ASD has just this last month started advertising Analyst jobs at people who work in social media and communications.

NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 11:36 on May 1, 2018

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

DancingShade posted:

That's it, I'm calling the Business Council of Australia!

*runs off crying*

That counts as your lunch break.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

ASD, come at me bro.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
*connects to VPN*

*resumes posting*

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
Speaking of fat people, my work local (Varsity) has entered into a partnership with Perth entrepreneur Hamdog inc for the May burger of the month.

Hamdog

TL;DR I'm the fat people

bigis
Jun 21, 2006
ASD? More like S my D. :smug:

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

Don Dongington posted:

Speaking of fat people, my work local (Varsity) has entered into a partnership with Perth entrepreneur Hamdog inc for the May burger of the month.

Hamdog

TL;DR I'm the fat people

don't encourage these people

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
ASD, which also stands for Autism Spectrum disorder, which all of it's employees have, particularly the one assigned to monitoring this thread.

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay
more like asmr

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




I was going to apply for one of those ASD analyst positions, but I'm not sure enabling fascists is a worthwhile price to pay for getting out of long term unemployment

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

NTRabbit posted:

I was going to apply for one of those ASD analyst positions, but I'm not sure enabling fascists is a worthwhile price to pay for getting out of long term unemployment

Change from within

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Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

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