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https://twitter.com/JHickman/status/1001359022224797696
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May 29, 2018 10:03
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Stuff like that always makes me sad because it seems to imply that comics work isn't fulfilling creative work and if they could, most creators would rather work in the more popular, lucrative fields of television and Hollywood. Hard to blame someone from wanting a bigger audience and more money, but if you love comics for comics' sake, it's a little disheartening.
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May 29, 2018 11:22
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I assume it's linked to some of his stuff getting optioned by Amazon.
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May 29, 2018 11:28
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A Strange Aeon posted:Stuff like that always makes me sad because it seems to imply that comics work isn't fulfilling creative work and if they could, most creators would rather work in the more popular, lucrative fields of television and Hollywood. I mean I know very few people in animation or comics who think they're healthy or lucrative industries. But that's more to do with socio economic factors and how little artists are valued than the medium itself.
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May 29, 2018 12:31
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I think that if comic book creators maintained a degree of control and were guaranteed a cut of derivative works based off their comics, the way manga artists do and are, they'd be better off
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May 29, 2018 12:45
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drat, if only someone tried to start a comic company with that radical philosophy in mind, they'd be dominating the marketplace right now and everyone involved would be rich
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May 29, 2018 13:00
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Alaois posted:drat, if only someone tried to start a comic company with that radical philosophy in mind, they'd be dominating the marketplace right now and everyone involved would be rich Have you heard of Crossgen?
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May 29, 2018 13:05
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May 29, 2018 13:07
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Guy Goodbody posted:I think that if comic book creators maintained a degree of control and were guaranteed a cut of derivative works based off their comics, the way manga artists do and are, they'd be better off Right but the other problem in the comics industry is indie people killing themselves working 6+ days a week on top of a day job to make bunkus on low selling stuff, and following the manga model is the opposite way to solve that.
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May 29, 2018 13:31
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The pro-strat is to have a full-time job and just post pages online whenever you can and maybe ask for a ko-fi or have a Patreon
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May 29, 2018 13:42
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Lurdiak posted:Right but the other problem in the comics industry is indie people killing themselves working 6+ days a week on top of a day job to make bunkus on low selling stuff, and following the manga model is the opposite way to solve that. 
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May 29, 2018 13:50
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Samuringa posted:The pro-strat is to have a full-time job and just post pages online whenever you can and maybe ask for a ko-fi or have a Patreon I mean if you're hot you can just ditch the whole comic part of that equation.
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May 29, 2018 13:53
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You can always say "woman suck, POC suck, suppory my kickstarter" and take the money and run
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May 29, 2018 14:33
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Guy Goodbody posted:I think that if comic book creators maintained a degree of control and were guaranteed a cut of derivative works based off their comics, the way manga artists do and are, they'd be better off
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May 29, 2018 15:51
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Guy Goodbody posted:I think that if comic book creators maintained a degree of control and were guaranteed a cut of derivative works based off their comics, the way manga artists do and are, they'd be better off Your gimmick is really played out
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May 29, 2018 16:17
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My controversial opinion is I think a good start would be paying creators page rates that are actually livable wages and giving benefits
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May 29, 2018 16:30
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Edge & Christian posted:Where do you think Jonathan Hickman has been putting out books for the past year? I have no idea
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May 29, 2018 17:17
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Edge & Christian posted:Where do you think Jonathan Hickman has been putting out books for the past year? As someone who buys all his books I am also wondering this.
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May 29, 2018 18:05
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Guy Goodbody posted:I have no idea They are the third largest publisher in the United Stated behind Marvel and DC. Jonathan Hickman has been putting out his (creator owned and controlled) comics via Image for over a decade, and after Secret Wars wrapped up at the end of 2015 has been the only publisher Hickman has been producing American comic books for. American comic books that he owns and controls and actually sell quite well but despite selling well do not make nearly as much money for him and his collaborators as doing the same thing as a television series or film, which if he does get those made would involve him and his collaborators getting the money, not Image or another publisher. Hickman has spent quite a bit of time in the past year or two working to adapt these comic books that he has published through Image and retains creative and financial control over into television and film, which is more lucrative. While even the options/pay might have been quite decent for writing in these formats, nothing has actually been produced and therefore his 'potential' energy has not been converted into a finished product nearly as swiftly or reliably as when he writes scripts for comics that he maintains creative and financial control over but are more directly converted into published material. I do love your Square Peg Hammering of Volleyball Manga though.
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May 29, 2018 18:11
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I didn't know that about Image, that's cool. Snotgirl is one of my favorite American comics. I'm not a big Avengers fan so I don't follow Hickman's stuff. But I think my point still stands, those practices should be done at the big comic companies too.
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May 29, 2018 18:16
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https://twitter.com/zdarsky/status/1001520622898327552
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May 29, 2018 18:50
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Guy Goodbody posted:I'm not a big Avengers fan so I don't follow Hickman's stuff. That's 5% of his output, and ended years ago.
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May 29, 2018 19:30
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Synthbuttrange posted:mmm, symbiote cheese "We are the Cheese! We are the best character on the show!"
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May 29, 2018 21:41
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https://twitter.com/HeroicGirls/status/1001161285994676226
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May 29, 2018 22:13
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I like the whole thread of the poster acknowledging that it's a stolen idea, but never actually editing an attribution in.site posted:how do you edit tweets Ah. Pardon if you can't. Still pretty lame to jack something instead of just linking. You could still make it your own with a comment. HOLD MINOR UNIMPORTANT SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTABLE!! Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 23:08 on May 29, 2018 |
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May 29, 2018 22:53
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how do you edit tweets
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May 29, 2018 22:59
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Guy Goodbody posted:I didn't know that about Image, that's cool. Snotgirl is one of my favorite American comics. I'm not a big Avengers fan so I don't follow Hickman's stuff. Also I know this is your gimmick but the entire framing of quote:"Why doesn't this comic book company this guy work for do things more like Japan? It sure would be nice if they did stuff like Japan. Japan, the country where they do good stuff. Why aren't they more like Japan?" I want to be clear that there really have been thousands of comics published over the decades with these characters in a way that makes granular credit/compensation difficult to apply retroactively, because it is true and I know you don't really follow the fallen world of American comics and may not have known that.
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May 29, 2018 23:09
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site posted:how do you edit tweets You post a followup saying your last tweet was hacked.
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May 29, 2018 23:10
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Manga assistants who do much of the work don't share in the benefits that creators get and in fact suffer from sub-American comics conditions so glass houses
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May 29, 2018 23:27
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So am I the only one in this thread reading East of West?
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May 29, 2018 23:44
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I only read books that are in hardcover or are otherwise in some form of compendium or shelf-attractive format. So I am at least a year behind on East of West.
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May 30, 2018 00:05
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I gave up on East of West. Everything about it was cool, but it was like a veneer of cool over very little substance. There's tons of neat world-building stuff, but it never built a full world that felt real to me. There were all these badass characters, but I never actually cared about them. It felt more like fluff for an RPG setting than an actual thing
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May 30, 2018 00:20
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https://twitter.com/MinovskyArticle/status/770479564522917888/video/1
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May 30, 2018 00:25
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Senior Woodchuck posted:So am I the only one in this thread reading East of West? I am and I couldn't actually tell you what's going on since it comes out so slow.
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May 30, 2018 00:42
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X-O posted:You post a followup saying your last tweet was hacked. And then you get the Federal Police to investigate who hacked you.
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May 30, 2018 00:55
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Endless Mike posted:I am and I couldn't actually tell you what's going on since it comes out so slow. same
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May 30, 2018 00:59
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Lightning Lord posted:Manga assistants who do much of the work don't share in the benefits that creators get and in fact suffer from sub-American comics conditions so glass houses Yeah it's basically the Hollywood Interns work crisis but magnified tenfold, it's horrible.
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May 30, 2018 04:26
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I'm very much interested in East of West but there's no way I'm picking it up until it finishes
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so like in ten years
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