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I admire your optimism
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May 30, 2018 05:51
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Well if the show actually happens he might be motivated to wrap it up . Did he ever definitively end the Manhattan Projects? I fell off when it went to a mini series.
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May 30, 2018 05:58
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You know tbh it's been so long since I read it I can't remember what happened after the war against crazy cannibal van Braun
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May 30, 2018 06:23
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Retro Futurist posted:I'm very much interested in East of West but there's no way I'm picking it up until it finishes same but Saga. I read the first three volumes at Comixology and thought it was a good spot to take a break.
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May 30, 2018 11:13
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Rhyno posted:Well if the show actually happens he might be motivated to wrap it up . Did he ever definitively end the Manhattan Projects? I fell off when it went to a mini series. Nope. They did the one miniseries and that was it. I guess the plan is to come back to it when he has new ideas and Pitarra is free.
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May 30, 2018 13:13
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This is one of the tensions of the production side of the comics industry and I imagine a source of frustration for a lot of creators. COMICS FANS: Man, it sucks when creators are treated as interchangable cogs and aren't given a chance to finish their stories, or use mercenary fill-in artists so everything runs on time etc. ALSO COMIC FANS: What the gently caress why isn't this book coming out every month, or maybe more than once a month? I'm not going to buy or remember a story that doesn't come out every month!!! I'm not singling anyone individually or collectively out here, the latter has been engrained in people forever by the Big Two, and the former makes perfect sense.
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May 30, 2018 13:37
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Oh, I'm happy to let Hickman and Dragotta work at whatever pace they're happy with. It's gorgeous and the world-building is great, but I think the way Hickman is scripting can make it difficult to follow since he tends to focus on one or two plot threads each issue, so it might be two or three issues before he catches up with someone since there's a LOT of plotlines running through the series, and that can be eight months of real time (they're averaging a little better than one issue every other month). I think it'll be great once it's done and collected.
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May 30, 2018 13:50
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Edge & Christian posted:This is one of the tensions of the production side of the comics industry and I imagine a source of frustration for a lot of creators. Do comics need to be serialized to be economically viable or is it just a holdover/nostalgia? I know there's complete stories that get published, but usually in the Fantagraphics sphere. I never buy floppies or follow ongoing series generally because I don't like reading a story in 10 minutes of content every month.
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May 30, 2018 14:30
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I buy floppies pretty much exclusively to support the creation of work I like by creators I like. Otherwise buying trades or hardcovers is just so much more manageable from a storage perspective. And cheaper. Like maybe Kill or Be Killed gets finished even if nobody buys the floppies, but I’m guessing those single issue sales help a lot.
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May 30, 2018 14:37
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A Strange Aeon posted:Do comics need to be serialized to be economically viable or is it just a holdover/nostalgia? I know there's complete stories that get published, but usually in the Fantagraphics sphere. I never buy floppies or follow ongoing series generally because I don't like reading a story in 10 minutes of content every month. Indie publishers are quite a bit different. If you take an Image comic, while the creators earn almost all of the money from sales (Image takes a fixed portion per issue - last I heard it was around $5000), that also means they are only paid after sales are in, which is a lag of months after an issue is completed. Every indie writer I've ever read an interview with has made it clear they pay their artists first (and as they get pages in) since they can only really work on a single book at a time, while a writer can write multiple books. Basically, unless you are Robert Kirkman, you probably can't afford to just wait until 128 pages are done before releasing a thing.
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May 30, 2018 15:04
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The direct market doesn’t seem like the biggest avenue for book sales though. Amazon and the more traditional booksellers do pretty good with trades and OGNs. Not sure how valuable that diamond info is in that context. I know I only buy trades at my shop if my kid really wants something right now or if my shop is clearing stock (5 dollar trades heck yes). Otherwise I go online or to an actual book store usually.
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May 30, 2018 15:16
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Jordan7hm posted:The direct market doesn’t seem like the biggest avenue for book sales though. Amazon and the more traditional booksellers do pretty good with trades and OGNs. Not sure how valuable that diamond info is in that context. Yeah, I buy a lot of my TPBs off Amazon and B&N, and I think people who are less "comics people" probably never set foot in a comic store for that stuff.
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May 30, 2018 15:19
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Jordan7hm posted:The direct market doesn’t seem like the biggest avenue for book sales though. Amazon and the more traditional booksellers do pretty good with trades and OGNs. Not sure how valuable that diamond info is in that context.
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May 30, 2018 15:30
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You can get Bookscan stats for Graphic Novels, which make up everything sold through "traditional" booksellers though with some limits; it includes Barnes & Noble, Amazon, formerly Borders, Costco, etc. but not independent bookstores, libraries, or comic shops (though we already have rough comic shop numbers), and Brian Hibbs digs through them every year and posts the info here. Based on his analysis for 2017, the top selling "direct sales" type comics (not counting things like Dav Pilkey/Dork Diaries/Raina stuff) were the new volumes of Saga and Walking Dead. Marvel's top selling book was the first TNC volume of Black Panther. DC's best sellers were Watchmen and The Killing Joke.
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May 30, 2018 15:53
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Thanks for that. Looking at the 2016 sales, USBUTMU doesn't show up at all in the top 750, which bottoms out at 4,053 copies sold (granted, these are yearly sales, and it came out in November, but it's not on the 2017 list, either). USG vols. 1 and 2 show up, selling 8,060 and 5,071 copies, respectively. Now, we can't really predict how readers would respond in terms of sales if, tomorrow, Marvel said "NO MORE MONTHLY COMICS ONLY COMPLETE GRAPHIC NOVELS," but it sure doesn't look like it would be particularly positively.
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May 30, 2018 16:06
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Endless Mike posted:Thanks for that. Looking at the 2016 sales, USBUTMU doesn't show up at all in the top 750, which bottoms out at 4,053 copies sold (granted, these are yearly sales, and it came out in November, but it's not on the 2017 list, either). USG vols. 1 and 2 show up, selling 8,060 and 5,071 copies, respectively. Does anyone know what digital sales are like? I'm genuinely curious.
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May 30, 2018 16:30
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Nope. Other than a hint here and there on specific titles (someone at Marvel once noted that with digital sales included, Ms. Marvel was outselling Uncanny X-Men), no one has really said anything substantial about digital sales.
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May 30, 2018 16:32
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Endless Mike posted:Nope. Other than a hint here and there on specific titles (someone at Marvel once noted that with digital sales included, Ms. Marvel was outselling Uncanny X-Men), no one has really said anything substantial about digital sales. Ms. Marvel was the bestselling Marvel digital comic for a long while, IIRC.
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May 30, 2018 16:46
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X-O posted:You post a followup saying your last tweet was hacked.
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May 30, 2018 18:39
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Samuringa posted:Ms. Marvel was the bestselling Marvel digital comic for a long while, IIRC. No actual digital sales data has ever been released though.
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May 30, 2018 21:41
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Have none of the indies released data? I seem to remember Jim Zub putting out financials at some point.
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May 30, 2018 21:47
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Good gravy. I was just offered (and accepted) a new job that upon completion of training will pay me double what I made at the shop. And realistically I could have made this move 5 years ago. Past Rhyno is a dummy.
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May 30, 2018 22:32
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that's a nice step up, congrats
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May 30, 2018 22:39
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Thanks! Just gotta pass a  test and I start June 11th!
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May 30, 2018 22:40
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There's a bunch of Gumby in 3D comics with 3D glasses at the comic shop priced at $4 each. I think I might buy them after I get paid next week 
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May 31, 2018 02:09
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All Gumby comics are good comics so you absolutely should
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May 31, 2018 05:31
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Word on the Twitter grapevine is that Stuart Immonen is retiring
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May 31, 2018 06:55
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site posted:Word on the Twitter grapevine is that Stuart Immonen is retiring What's he worked on recently? I feel like I lost track of him about a decade ago.
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May 31, 2018 07:01
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He just did ASM 800. I think the last big interiors things were Star Wars and Empress. And apparently his inker didn't quite get the retirement thing right. https://www.newsarama.com/40139-immonen-elaborates-on-comics-retirement.html quote:"My exclusive agreement with Marvel wound down some time ago. Everyone involved is happily still on good terms," Immonen told Newsarama. "As to the rest, I have no immediate plans; if the right project with the right collaborators came along, I would of course consider it. For the moment however, Kathryn and I are enthusiastically devoting our time and energy to non-work matters." Hopefully 'enthusiastically' means nobody's sick. edit: Deleted "Batman covers". I always get him mixed up with Olivier Coipel. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 07:15 on May 31, 2018 |
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May 31, 2018 07:08
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Teenage Fansub posted:He just did ASM 800. I think the last big interiors things were Star Wars and Empress. I hope he enjoys his retirement because it seems like that is exceptionally rare in the comic book industry.
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May 31, 2018 17:56
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So uhhh, what's going on with NYCC? https://twitter.com/JAMALIGLE/status/1002312794186895360 It seems a lot of high profile people are having similar experiences
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May 31, 2018 23:51
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Hmmm. The pro badge requirements have been getting more strict each year but that's a bit much.
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Jun 1, 2018 01:01
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Rhyno posted:Hmmm. The pro badge requirements have been getting more strict each year but that's a bit much. I bet, even if this isn't the intent, most of the comics people cut off from this even if they had gotten it in years past are going to be racial minorities or LGBTQ, so that's really not a good look.
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Jun 1, 2018 06:23
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I'm still in a few FB groups, a lot of retailers were denied pro badges if they were attending as vendors. It might just be a simple cockup.
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Jun 1, 2018 06:28
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Rhyno posted:I'm still in a few FB groups, a lot of retailers were denied pro badges if they were attending as vendors. It might just be a simple cockup. What's the difference between a retailer and a vendor?
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Jun 1, 2018 06:57
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Vendors have booths and sell poo poo. Retailer is anyone who works at a shop and attends but doesn't have a booth space.
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Jun 1, 2018 07:04
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Next thread title suggestion: June Moone Chat Room
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Jun 1, 2018 08:33
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One of my old customers is naming his impending child after Wolverine and Spider-girl (not the good one). I can't :headdesk: hard enough.
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Rhyno posted:One of my old customers is naming his impending child after Wolverine and Spider-girl (not the good one). Logan isn't a terrible name. Not sure which Spider-Girl you're talking about.
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