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Skwirl posted:Lucasfilms wasn't for sale until Disney bought them, same for Marvel (Bizarrely Marvel was for sale a decade or so earlier and no one bit). Disney acquired Marvel in 2009. A decade earlier would have been 1999, right after they were coming out of bankruptcy? People bit because there was a battle to figure out who would acquire Marvel after Perelman ruined its financials, and people did in fact buy it. The idea that Marvel was less appealing an asset in 1999 after a decade of mismanagement than it would be in 2009 on the heels of a decade of blockbuster films based on their IP (and a self-produced second biggest film of 2008) doesn't seem that bizarre or surprising.
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May 21, 2018 14:00
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Skwirl posted:The time is not correct (I'm old enough now that I often forget how long ago the 90's were) but wasn't whoever the owner was at the time trying to sell off Marvel somewhere in the mid 90's, right after the comics crash? They ended up selling off movie rights to X-Men, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man and a whole bunch of other poo poo instead. As for the timeline of Marvel in the 1990s, there are a ton of moving parts; you've got it half right with the movie options, but a lot of those were sold before a cascade of crashes that led Marvel into bankruptcy and were done less as a fire sale and more as part of Ron Perelman's shitbag vulture capitalism with the idea that they can slap a few million dollars in (one-sided) movie options onto the ledger in the quarters before he sold the company to make it look like they're swimming in money and then sell the company and the new owners have to deal with how they'd basically make no money off of the X-Men and Spider-Man movies assuming they ever got made and earned money, which was definitely an open question circa 1995 or whatever. Under Perelman after Marvel went public in 1992, Marvel bought two trading card companies, a sticker company, Malibu Comics, a comics distributor, Panini, and struck a deal with Toy Biz's Ike Perlmutter where Marvel would own half of Toy Biz in return for permanent royalty-free license to make all Marvel toys, even though Toy Biz essentially only was making Marvel Toys. It was during this period (before the bankruptcy hammer fell) that Perelman was selling off extremely one-sided movie options like hotcakes because again, they looked great on the quarterly reports just like expanding your market share by buying Malibu or buying a baseball card company and imagining that baseball card revenue will continue to rise throughout the decade and not collapse thanks to speculator fatigue AND the 1994 baseball strike. The combination of the card market collapsing, the comics market starting to collapse, Heroes World being a terrible idea, a shitload of debt from all those acquisitions, and the Toy Biz deal not being the bonanza it was sold as meant that all of this short term grifting caught up to Perelman before he could sell the bloated corpse. But the fire sale on movie options was a feature, not a bug.
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May 22, 2018 04:43
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Critics are full of poo poo, that's why Holy Terror (widely panned by critics) was a better comic than Ms. Marvel (beloved by critics) This is a very productive hot take, like how Trump (low approval rating) is better than Get Out (high Rotten Tomato score)  Source: a comic book that is literally worse than cancer, based on what The Critics say
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May 24, 2018 04:34
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CharlestheHammer posted:People who use critical acclaim to judge stuff are dumb. "This thing is good." "Wrong, it's bad." "Look at you being a stupid piece of poo poo, it's GOOD." "Uhhh hold up there hoss you are wrong as gently caress it is BAD." "Au contraire mon loving moron it is GOOD now kindly kill your self." In a void where no one (other than to his credit, CapnAndy I guess?) has articulated an opinion on Lost or the Leftovers there's an element of "well a lot of people seem to like it" which lends more credence to an argument than I Haven't Seen Vanderpump Rules And Don't Know What It's About But It Must loving Rule Right Guys
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May 24, 2018 14:44
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Maybe I missed the wrong thinkpieces but I feel like most of the people going nuts for Hamilton are doing so because they think Lin-Manuel Miranda (and Leslie Odom and Daveed Diggs and Phillipa Soo and etc.) are talented and entertaining and not because they believe that Alexander Hamilton is a living saint. I haven't seen it or that many Broadway shows in general, but was there a revulsive "LOOK AT THESE FUCKIN' CENTRIST CUCKS CREAMING THEIR JEANS OVER [Eva Peron/Lyndon Johnson/John Wilkes Booth/Mormon Missionaries/The King of Siam/Frankie Valli]" when plays based on them got a bunch of Tonys? I fully believe there is a strain of awful op-eds about how Hamilton would have the right idea about vaping or cryptocurrency but as someone who lives in New York and has been subject to people in the grips of Hamiltonmania for a few years now, I've never heard anyone walk away from it declaring that Bernie Sanders should have been more like Alexander Hamilton or that they wish they could vote for Hamilton/bell hooks in 2020 or whatever I guess elitist liberal bourgeois millennials are doing in between snorting xanax mixed with artisinal foraged jianbing. Anyway back on topic, Mister Miracle is a dumb comic for dummies full stop. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 01:08 on May 26, 2018 |
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May 26, 2018 01:01
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Mr Hootington posted:Remember when Hamilton was gonna be replaced by Tubman, but people lost there poo poo because of a lovely musical?  Covok posted:How can you be this wrong?  Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 01:16 on May 26, 2018 |
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May 26, 2018 01:12
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ACAB but Gwen Stacy does not stay dead and is a regularly appearing character for most of the run of the bad comic but don't feel obligated to read it
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May 26, 2018 01:18
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Endless Mike posted:Gwen Stacy isn't a real person just fyi that's even worse why does anyone even write about her then? ugh comics
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May 26, 2018 01:27
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Man is this literally just the "the critics and the children and the hipsters and the Billboard charts and the Annaul Awards who are wrong not me, who still believes that deep down Superior Foes of Spider-Man is a most lasting and well-known piece of art than this Zadie Smith bitch" week or something? Let's all just focus on making GBS threads on Elon Musk, which is even more on-topic since he probably thinks he's Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne or John Galt or something. Musk appeared in Iron Man 2, Grimes did a WicDiv variant cover. This is all on topic but Grimes hitched her wagon to a better product at least. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 05:38 on May 27, 2018 |
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May 27, 2018 05:36
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Guy Goodbody posted:I think that if comic book creators maintained a degree of control and were guaranteed a cut of derivative works based off their comics, the way manga artists do and are, they'd be better off
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May 29, 2018 15:51
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Guy Goodbody posted:I have no idea They are the third largest publisher in the United Stated behind Marvel and DC. Jonathan Hickman has been putting out his (creator owned and controlled) comics via Image for over a decade, and after Secret Wars wrapped up at the end of 2015 has been the only publisher Hickman has been producing American comic books for. American comic books that he owns and controls and actually sell quite well but despite selling well do not make nearly as much money for him and his collaborators as doing the same thing as a television series or film, which if he does get those made would involve him and his collaborators getting the money, not Image or another publisher. Hickman has spent quite a bit of time in the past year or two working to adapt these comic books that he has published through Image and retains creative and financial control over into television and film, which is more lucrative. While even the options/pay might have been quite decent for writing in these formats, nothing has actually been produced and therefore his 'potential' energy has not been converted into a finished product nearly as swiftly or reliably as when he writes scripts for comics that he maintains creative and financial control over but are more directly converted into published material. I do love your Square Peg Hammering of Volleyball Manga though.
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May 29, 2018 18:11
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Guy Goodbody posted:I didn't know that about Image, that's cool. Snotgirl is one of my favorite American comics. I'm not a big Avengers fan so I don't follow Hickman's stuff. Also I know this is your gimmick but the entire framing of quote:"Why doesn't this comic book company this guy work for do things more like Japan? It sure would be nice if they did stuff like Japan. Japan, the country where they do good stuff. Why aren't they more like Japan?" I want to be clear that there really have been thousands of comics published over the decades with these characters in a way that makes granular credit/compensation difficult to apply retroactively, because it is true and I know you don't really follow the fallen world of American comics and may not have known that.
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May 29, 2018 23:09
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This is one of the tensions of the production side of the comics industry and I imagine a source of frustration for a lot of creators. COMICS FANS: Man, it sucks when creators are treated as interchangable cogs and aren't given a chance to finish their stories, or use mercenary fill-in artists so everything runs on time etc. ALSO COMIC FANS: What the gently caress why isn't this book coming out every month, or maybe more than once a month? I'm not going to buy or remember a story that doesn't come out every month!!! I'm not singling anyone individually or collectively out here, the latter has been engrained in people forever by the Big Two, and the former makes perfect sense.
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May 30, 2018 13:37
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You can get Bookscan stats for Graphic Novels, which make up everything sold through "traditional" booksellers though with some limits; it includes Barnes & Noble, Amazon, formerly Borders, Costco, etc. but not independent bookstores, libraries, or comic shops (though we already have rough comic shop numbers), and Brian Hibbs digs through them every year and posts the info here. Based on his analysis for 2017, the top selling "direct sales" type comics (not counting things like Dav Pilkey/Dork Diaries/Raina stuff) were the new volumes of Saga and Walking Dead. Marvel's top selling book was the first TNC volume of Black Panther. DC's best sellers were Watchmen and The Killing Joke.
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