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banned from Starbucks posted:They gonna have to jumpstart the gently caress out of FO and Resistance factions. FO has 4 ships and Resistance only has 2. Is it even worth it to them to make conversion kits for a faction with 2 ships? Splitting them off always seemed like a dumb idea esp since Empire and Rebel ships span loving huge amounts of time and EU. I imagine wave 2 is gonna have a shitload of stuff for them. I also wouldn't be surprised to see a combo conversion kit.
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Finster Dexter posted:What's wrong with the dice? The biggest issue I have with the dice is that power and accuracy are still linked. ConfusedUs posted:I'm not sure we NEED new dice now that we can have any number of limited ways to tinker with them. Yeah, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, I'm just still a little hesitant.
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May 1, 2018 22:42
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I am super loving hype. THis is gonna be great; 1.0 is sytill a great game but it's been creaking at the seams since before I started playing and that's been getting more and more obvious. The ability to flexibly bupdate points and slots to tweak balance will be SUCH a boon, and more moving parts means more interesting options for design, and more design space, without half-arsedly juryrigging new mechanics in.
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May 1, 2018 22:43
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It was fun being at FFG for this today, but boy are the non-Xwing people upset. Heard a couple of guys who changed something (hotel, airfare, ?) just to make this because it was billed as a Star Wars PR event, and they play Destiny. Oh well. I think they turned the stream off after the stream questions ended. Here are a few other things that were said:
Also they gave out the new X-Wing pack for attending the event.
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May 1, 2018 22:45
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EdBlackadder posted:On the one hand, this all sounds like really great stuff. On the other hand, my wallet is crying already. Bottom line is I'm getting two more TIE Fighters.
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May 1, 2018 22:45
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If I've been kinda interested in X-Wing but haven't wanted to blow a shitload of money on it is this a good time to inevitably blow a shitload of money on it
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May 1, 2018 22:45
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Oh wow the core set they're using on that Covenant game includes a right-angle ship-marking template/tool. About drat time. thespaceinvader posted:I am super loving hype. THis is gonna be great; 1.0 is sytill a great game but it's been creaking at the seams since before I started playing and that's been getting more and more obvious. The ability to flexibly bupdate points and slots to tweak balance will be SUCH a boon, and more moving parts means more interesting options for design, and more design space, without half-arsedly juryrigging new mechanics in. Yeah like 1/2 the panel was referring to adding design space, so they knew it too.
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Some Numbers posted:The biggest issue I have with the dice is that power and accuracy are still linked. Like, "did I hit" vs. "how hard I hit"? I guess I'm willing to accept the abstraction, because the alternative would end up making the game a lot more complex and time-consuming for (imho) marginal benefit to realism.
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May 1, 2018 22:47
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banned from Starbucks posted:They gonna have to jumpstart the gently caress out of FO and Resistance factions. FO has 4 ships and Resistance only has 2. Is it even worth it to them to make conversion kits for a faction with 2 ships? Splitting them off always seemed like a dumb idea esp since Empire and Rebel ships span loving huge amounts of time and EU. Theyre probably gonna get their As and Ys at that time. Along with the Falcon, the bombers, X-Wings and one or two new ships, thats an okay start. Hopefully theyll find a way to make them feel distinct enough from the rebels.
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May 1, 2018 22:51
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canyonero posted:It was fun being at FFG for this today, but boy are the non-Xwing people upset. Heard a couple of guys who changed something (hotel, airfare, ?) just to make this because it was billed as a Star Wars PR event, and they play Destiny. Oh well. Those non-xwing people should be loving GLEEFUL they will be able to scalp those x wings on ebay for a GODDAMN FORTUNE. E: speaking of which, my wallet is going to sting for a while - but equally, I really don't expect to need to buy many expacs for a year or so, and £200-odd isn't much.
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May 1, 2018 22:56
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Finster Dexter posted:Like, "did I hit" vs. "how hard I hit"? Right, hitting harder and hitting more often are the same thing. It's an acceptable abstraction, but it leads to the red die/green die creep that caused 2 die primaries to be utter garbage recently in 1.0.
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May 1, 2018 22:57
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I think these are a lot of very good and needed changes, but given that I haven't felt the drive to play this in ages and the expense of getting 2.0, I think it's time to hang up the hat as well. I'll probably still keep my jewel like objects of wonder but that's a steep cost to get back into the game. Also seconding that making Resistance/First Order their own thing is pretty weird unless the newer media suddenly makes a billion new ships and that's what they focus on making. Though it's a big problem in Star Wars focused games, you have so few factions to work with.
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May 1, 2018 22:58
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I wish they'd taken the opportunity to put in some new die types. That's a little disappointing. Accuracy/damage decoupling seems to be a thing now, with ion weapons doing the first hit as damage and the rest as ions.
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May 1, 2018 22:59
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Some Numbers posted:Right, hitting harder and hitting more often are the same thing. Power creep would've happened regardless. I mean, TLT is basically separating power and accuracy and it was OP af.
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May 1, 2018 23:00
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Some Numbers posted:Right, hitting harder and hitting more often are the same thing. I think FFG's definitely done some work to make 2 die primaries more effective by basically making everything key off the original roll rather than added results on defense. I suspect the ghost will have reinforce rather than evade for that reason, similar to the changes that came to the firespray.
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May 1, 2018 23:03
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Panzeh posted:I think FFG's definitely done some work to make 2 die primaries more effective by basically making everything key off the original roll rather than added results on defense. I suspect the ghost will have reinforce rather than evade for that reason, similar to the changes that came to the firespray. If most 0 agi ships don't have reinforce I'll be very surprised. We already know the Deci does, and it's honestly about time too.
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May 1, 2018 23:05
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https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/x-wing-second-edition/ posted:How many ships does each Conversion Kit convert?
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May 1, 2018 23:05
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Reworking Evade to convert a die rather than adding a result is definitely a step in the right direction. Again, we don't have the whole picture, so it's possible I'm worried over nothing, but this was just my first reaction. A lot of the changes are definitely positives.
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May 1, 2018 23:06
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Completely unrelated, anyone interested in splitting some of the conversion kits?
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Some Numbers posted:Completely unrelated, anyone interested in splitting some of the conversion kits? I'm interested in a single set of Defender bases and a WHOOOOLE bunch of plastic spaceships lol
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May 1, 2018 23:08
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I'm very ready to burn all of my old physical materials and restart with a conversion kit and new core. Bring it on, fuckers.
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May 1, 2018 23:09
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I'm glad that all the mini american cards are gone. Those things were a kind of a pain to sleeve/store compared to the zillion products made for standard sized cards
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May 1, 2018 23:12
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I love all the gameplay changes they listed, and I'm happy enough buying a new core set for the new T-65. I only play casually these days and really don't want to buy conversion packs, so hopefully I can get by with squad builders to track that info. e: oh right, some of the bases change size. ugh
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May 1, 2018 23:16
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Since the official New App is gonna be basically required (and free) and the cards will have 0 points costs printed on them I wonder if they'll eventually just let us print lists off the App and bring it to tournaments instead of 30 different cards.
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May 1, 2018 23:17
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banned from Starbucks posted:Since the official New App is gonna be basically required (and free) and the cards will have 0 points costs printed on them I wonder if they'll eventually just let us print lists off the App and bring it to tournaments instead of 30 different cards. Yeah hopefully they see the light on this.
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May 1, 2018 23:19
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I'm also pretty sure not every upgrade from 1.0 is going to be in the conversion kits.
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May 1, 2018 23:20
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Panzeh posted:I'm also pretty sure not every upgrade from 1.0 is going to be in the conversion kits. They've never said that there would be 1:1 conversions for everything. Just that every ship will be usable. To me, that reads that not every upgrade will even exist. I'd be shocked if every pilot had a 1:1 analogue, too.
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May 1, 2018 23:22
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How long until 2.0 becomes a bloated mess and we are calling for 3.0 or worse, pining for the days of 1.0? By the way? I'm loving stoked for 2.0 goddamn.
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May 1, 2018 23:22
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Man..... I am willing to bet Fel's Wrath will be the new OP
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ConfusedUs posted:They've never said that there would be 1:1 conversions for everything. Just that every ship will be usable. Depending on the ship, i'd venture to guess that for the normal 4-pilot ships, all the pilots will be there, though their abilities probably won't be the same.
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AndyElusive posted:How long until 2.0 becomes a bloated mess and we are calling for 3.0 or worse, pining for the days of 1.0?
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AndyElusive posted:How long until 2.0 becomes a bloated mess and we are calling for 3.0 or worse, pining for the days of 1.0? Early pushback over price - starts now Resurgence of 1st Ed players pining for the good old days - Starts wave 2, all but gone by wave 8 2.0 starts feeling bloated around wave 12 By which time I'll be old enough not to care.
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I am so drat happy for 2.0 I am so drat sad because a lot of the people I play in my small town are stating they wont get 2.0. They are complaining about cost even though the pricing is awesome to convert.
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May 1, 2018 23:29
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$50 is quite a lot for cardboard, especially if you need two kits, just for one faction. Now that I don't need to buy other factions I'll probably skip the Imp and Scum kits but having to buy a kit to play Reistance too is a bit much.
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Raged posted:I am so drat happy for 2.0 Eh, I think that's maybe overly dismissive. If you like running XXX or swarms of stuff (and I do, sometimes), you're looking at multiple copies of these. Upwards of $250 worth of cardboard at retail easy to keep playing with your spaceship dolls. That's a steep re-buy-in for any tabletop game. At least Curled Paw's awesome 2.0 maneuver templates will probably be their same reasonable price.
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Booyah- posted:Yeah hopefully they see the light on this. There is absolutely no chance they won't make you bring all the cards for tournaments above seasonal kit level. Organised Play is a pure marketing tool, taking the marketing aspect out of it is flat out not gonna happen. Panzeh posted:I'm also pretty sure not every upgrade from 1.0 is going to be in the conversion kits. There's literally not a single upgrade I've see so far that is the same. Very few pilots are identical to their old versions. Several ships have new dials. In short, none of the old cardboard is viable except probably most of the templates.
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Fuuuuck, I was going to sell off my cards this week! 2.0 does look great, but no way I can afford that buy in.
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Man, I look at those conversion kits and think "that's pretty awesome." It's got 2-4 of everything. That's a fuckload of new content.
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May 1, 2018 23:47
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The amount of people bitching about conversion kits is hilarious, especially when a lot of them were bitching about the lack of cards-only update kits for the X Wing not a month ago.
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I'm going to get a core and treat my X70 and FOs as the new ships just to knock around, then probably skip the conversion kits in favor of getting new solo packs as they look interesting. So if the new A wing pack in 2019 looks rad I'll just grab that and have two ships.
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