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exploded mummy posted:the women got paid for the show even though they didn't wrestle per PWI none of the women have confirmed that
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JR's opinion lacks 2018 level nuance obviously. Dialling that back Mick Foley in his first or second book recounted his arguments with JR about more equal pay across the card during the Attitude Era as WWF as a brand would sellout the arena not one specific wrestler. Likewise, the Saudi show was a sold show and no one on the card specifically drew the house/attendance. Personally, I think WWE should spread the wealth between wrestlers and office staff. Male and female. Dangerous take I know.
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STONE COLD 64 posted:none of the women have confirmed that Payoffs for the Saudi show wouldn't be issued yet. It doesn't take 3 plus months like it did in the PPV era but it takes a while.
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exploded mummy posted:the women got paid for the show even though they didn't wrestle per PWI I meant to say 'The idea' of depriving the women of the payday.
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There are obviously a lot of lovely things about this situation to go around, but as a public company, could WWE have realistically turned this down without a shareholder revolt that had massive long-term implications up to and including the McMahons being removed from the board and/or share price crashing to hostile takeover levels? At $25m a show, 2x shows a year across 10 years, that’s half a billion dollars for a company valued at ~3 billion. “Instantly book 1/6 the company’s current value basically for free” seems to be the kind of thing that you can’t really turn down once you’re listed. (I know, capitalism sucks, etc.)
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I recall among the many reasons that Punk left WWE was that when the Network happened, he went to Vince and said,"So how does this affect our PPV bonuses?" and Vince replied,"We're working on it, don't worry!" and refused to be pressed any further. I wonder if they've figured that out yet.
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Jerusalem posted:I recall among the many reasons that Punk left WWE was that when the Network happened, he went to Vince and said,"So how does this affect our PPV bonuses?" and Vince replied,"We're working on it, don't worry!" and refused to be pressed any further. No one of Punk's era has really spoken on the record yet. Everyone these days doesn't want to burn a bridge or knows they are one call from a comeback. But yeah WWE kept scheduling and postponing meeting about how PPV to Network payoff would work. But WWE and payoffs have always been a complex thing and depending on the year and is on a case by case basis. They'll pay a talent a million for Wrestlemania but then take it out of all their live event payoffs for the rest of the year. And as Something To Wrestle With documented if a wrestler was below their downside guarantee WWE would/will send them to charity gigs when in actuality a wrestler could turn them down and be paid the same.
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bloodysabbath posted:There are obviously a lot of lovely things about this situation to go around, but as a public company, could WWE have realistically turned this down without a shareholder revolt that had massive long-term implications up to and including the McMahons being removed from the board and/or share price crashing to hostile takeover levels? Maybe, maybe not. Can't just shrug and say 'well that's capitalism for you' because that attitude is what got America into this mess.
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ChrisBTY posted:Maybe, maybe not. I get where you’re coming from, but I’m saying you could make a good case that WWE essentially had to take that offer, at least from the standpoint of a public traded company being beholden to its shareholders interests. This means if you have an opportunity to increase your company’s book value overnight by $500m with what amounts to zero effort, you almost legally have to, or you open yourself to a scorched earth shareholder revolt and/or hostile takeover. Turning down half a billion dollars on a three billion dollar company probably would have seen the shareholders boot the entire board, ultimately, finally wresting it from McMahon control. (Granted, this may be a good thing, depending on your view.) Of course, I doubt anyone involved in the running of this carny company so much as blinked at the deal. *(I wish WWE wasn’t tied to the shareholder game as much as anyone in this thread, because chances are we’d get a much better product than the mostly sanitized stuff we see today.)
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Ultimately everybody has to do what is right for themselves in this scenario. They have to take the deal. We have to take umbrage to it. (At least I'd like to think we're all at least galled by the situation if not moved to protest) This is the dynamic. Trying to see their side of it just enables them. Since they're certainly not caring to see ours. (not that they need to be enabled by us) So WWE and KSA will do as they wish. And so the stockholders and the Princes and CEOs will reap the rewards and someday die rich and happy in their sleep. And the little people will pay the price. No justice known. No Karma paid. Thus is the song that ends the world. ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 07:31 on May 6, 2018 |
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I enjoyed your poem
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i think a good way to get yourself involved and make a difference in this whole thing would be to make a lot of tasteless photoshops of things like Seth Rollins executing a woman in a dirt field by curb stomping her, but i'm not that good at photoshop nor do i have any motivation
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Baron Corbin posted:i think a good way to get yourself involved this one is a better poem Though
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STONE COLD 64 posted:they literally complied with not bringing a wrestler over because of his race Given that Sami did work Saudi house shows before, I think it was less his ethnicity specifically, and more his charity work that made him taboo.
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Listen people, JR's totally right about this. Those women need to EARN their place on the card, like that sumo wrestler no one's ever heard of did.
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He earned the right to be the first fat guy they happened to see after Vince told the prince that Yokozuna was in fact dead and thus couldn't be on the show
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Davros1 posted:Listen people, JR's totally right about this. Those women need to EARN their place on the card, like that sumo wrestler no one's ever heard of did. Hey, that sumo guy earned his spot by looking kinda like Yokozuna if you squint and haven't seen Yokozuna in 30 years.
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Gaz-L posted:Hey, that sumo guy earned his spot by looking kinda like Yokozuna if you squint and haven't seen Yokozuna in 30 years. Do you think that Prince had seen Yokozuna in 30 years? Also, they wanted loving Jerry Lawler commentating but then also had a guide of "Don't say anything that might be offensive" which pretty much precludes Jerry Lawler commentating.
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*cut to woman in the crowd* jerry lawler: puppies, haha! *jerry lawler is executed*
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They could have used Fallah Bahh, the Saudis would not have known the difference
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DeathChicken posted:They could have used Fallah Bahh, the Saudis would not have known the difference Saudis: "We'll pay you 3, Mr Yozozuna" Fallah: "Three whole dollars?! That's more than Impact paid me last year!" Saudis: "Huh? We meant 3 million"
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Gaz-L posted:Given that Sami did work Saudi house shows before, I think it was less his ethnicity specifically, and more his charity work that made him taboo. Yeah, his ethnicity might have been a factor but his humanitarian work with the victims of KSA's victims was most certainly the bigger one. But you know, that's fine. WWE is just respecting cultural differences about crimes against humanity.
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Gaz-L posted:Saudis: "We'll pay you 3, Mr Yozozuna" Fallah: 3 million? Saudi: Yes, it's the lowest amount of money we can think of.
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3 million dollars is the amount of money a single bored Saudi prince will pour into WWE Super Card, by the way
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What a world. https://twitter.com/m3takl_en/status/992675793712148485
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Vince: "Linda, I have a pitch for Donald that will help finally get Roman Reigns over...."
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Love to promote my progressive and free society by arresting political prisoners.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Love to promote my progressive and free society by arresting political prisoners. The Saudis are so progressive! Torturing and executing LGBTQ people, slavery/forced labor, but hey women can finally drive (with a male chaperone)
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Between Saudi Arabia and the creative lately, I canceled my network subscription. I’m all set for a while. The three other people that also used my wwe network login were pretty understanding.
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Low Desert Punk posted:booing roman reigns will be punishable by death Great, now Vince is gonna go on Fox and Friends to try and get his buddy in the White House some new ideas
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I love the irony of this happening after all the "gotta respect their culture" astroturfing.
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Justin_Brett posted:I love the irony of this happening after all the "gotta respect their culture" astroturfing. if anything, this makes me respect their culture even more
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Politics aside I'm still baffled as to why people shell out 10 bucks a month for such a lovely product. If you're really dying for wrestling content you could watch CMLL for practically free and get NJPW world and pay less. Especially now that they're likely going to start charging more for the network
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I assume it is inertia and the routine of WWE. It's less about watching wrestling and more about doing that thing you've always done which is watch WWE on Monday night.
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Jenkem Delivery posted:Politics aside I'm still baffled as to why people shell out 10 bucks a month for such a lovely product. If you're really dying for wrestling content you could watch CMLL for practically free and get NJPW world and pay less. Especially now that they're likely going to start charging more for the network The archive is really good. That was the only thing I had it for so long, and will almost certainly be the reason I eventually resub. Although NXT is also a promotion which has incredible peaks.
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Gumball Gumption posted:I assume it is inertia and the routine of WWE. It's less about watching wrestling and more about doing that thing you've always done which is watch WWE on Monday night. Aren't WWE's viewer demographics skewing older and older as time goes on? Like most of the people watching now are people that have been watching since the Attitude era and as they tune out there's no one replacing them? I honestly don't get why anyone puts up with WWE programming. As much as I'm a workrate mark, I understand the appeal of character and story-driven wrestling. The thing is WWE is fundamentally and consistently terrible at portraying interesting characters or presenting satisfying stories,
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Jenkem Delivery posted:Politics aside I'm still baffled as to why people shell out 10 bucks a month for such a lovely product. If you're really dying for wrestling content you could watch CMLL for practically free and get NJPW world and pay less. Especially now that they're likely going to start charging more for the network The archives are ridiculously good and some of the original programming on the Network is pretty cool. Plus it's only 10 bucks, there's way worse things I could be doing with the money.
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