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Mr. Carlisle posted:Was it really 20 million a year for 10 years? Allegedly more like $25mil PER SHOW for 10 years, and they're likely doing 2 shows a year for the duration (they've already announced another one in November this year)
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rovert posted:*Points to the financials and share price today* I have no idea how Michelle Wilson didn't crawl out of her skin on the conference call when they were asked about this poo poo.
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May 4, 2018 02:43
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Yeah, if we strip out all the blatant propaganda videos and soundbites, I can still see them doing the Daivaris thing as normal boneheaded WWE booking. It's basically the inverse of what they did on Raw with the AoP beating up two local lads who deliberate spoke French shittily to rile up the crowd, or with Rusev when he was doing the Putin medal poo poo.
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May 4, 2018 03:00
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I think Vince may actually be terrified that the XFL is going to tank again and he's going to lose hundreds of millions trying to make it work, so took a deal that bolsters WWE's coffers enough that they can take it.
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May 4, 2018 03:21
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Mel Mudkiper posted:XFL is wholly separate from Titan this time Sure it is. They just had a WWE exec pitching Orlando on taking an XFL team.
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May 4, 2018 03:23
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Mel Mudkiper posted:financially separate And when Alpha Entertainment starts struggling, who's going to invest and bail them out? Or how is Vince going to raise more capital to inject into it?
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May 4, 2018 03:26
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I am almost positive the shareholders for WWE would riot Hence why you take the Saudi money, to try and make the bitter pill easier to swallow. Yes, I know how ridiculous that is. No-one has said Vince McMahon was a smart man for a long time.
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May 4, 2018 03:28
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MassRafTer posted:They are already using WWE owned assets and WWE employees to make pitches for the league. WWE is also apparently a minority owner of the league, per the SEC filings
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May 4, 2018 14:02
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STAC Goat posted:The thing is... there's a lot of upsetting things about this. The discrimination against women and WWE treating that as "respect people's cultures." The propaganda of a bad state. The Iran stuff writing storylines that feed into life and death world issues as a minstrel show to a King. Sami Zayn effectively being punished for giving a poo poo and being a good person trying to help people in this world, who happen to be some of the people KSA are hurting and hate. Its outrageous to me and a line I genuinely never imagined WWE crossing for as bad as they are. I think the issue there is that at that point the argument stops being about WWE and the KSA and turns into condemning individuals. Basically at the end of the derail, it was becoming "YOU PERSONALLY are a BAD PERSON if you don't immediately cancel the WWE Network, the cable package that has USA on it, and burn all your wrestling merch", which is at best counterproductive, and at worst is going to be actively antagonistic if the people hearing it have very personal reasons for watching. Like, me, I'm a wrestling fan because of my late father. It was one of the few things we had in common, and a thing we'd watch together when I was little, and watching it gives me a little connection to him now. Now on an intellectual level I can understand the argument that you were making, but when the ire is aimed at ME and not WWE, it becomes very hard to disentangle those feelings and not feel like I'm being personally attacked for that connection. I certainly got the impression a few other people were uncomfortable for similar reasons. It's also not out of sight/out of mind because everyone who was actively engaged in the discussion in the main thread (and more) are in here discussing in a more focused manner. And finally, IF this was a commercial show, and WWE had ANY leverage in pulling out (ie, that it would cost the Saudi economy X amount to not have the show) then I can see trying to organise a campaign to alert sponsors, a la the Moolah thing, but these are sold shows. WWE pulling out would have literally no impact to the KSA and say nothing to them. They'd just get the UFC or Impact or someone to come instead.
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May 4, 2018 15:26
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STAC Goat posted:I get that and I was trying to soften it a bit by acknowledging that I have my own similar moral compromises. But that doesn't mean I was doing a good job with it or that its an easy thing to do to. I still think that's kind of the point to this. If you want to say "I know this is bad but I choose to still give them money and just try and make up for it some other way" that's fine. That's your call and only you need to live with it. Hell, if you say "I know this is bad but I don't care" that's your call. But I do think "this is bad but if you say that I'm bad for contributing to it then you're bad" is an instinct routed in cognitive dissonance and guilt and its better off for us to fight through those difficult feeling and address it. And no-one is saying otherwise. If this is your line, that's fine. Laudable, even. But a number of people did turn around and say "this is bad but i choose to do other things to make the world a better place" or "this is bad but meh" and that wasn't apparently good enough. And on the second point, it may be somewhat cop-outish. But if an organised boycott to 'punish' WWE happened, do you actually think they'd learn anything? Even if they pulled out of the deal, it would completely be a PR move on par with changing the battle royal name. It's more cynical apathy on my part than anything.
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May 4, 2018 23:04
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Gonzo McFee posted:There's no way to ethically watch WWE but there's also no way to basically do anything in capitalism ethically so what are you gonna do. Who'd Marx ever beat? 
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May 5, 2018 15:24
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STONE COLD 64 posted:they literally complied with not bringing a wrestler over because of his race Given that Sami did work Saudi house shows before, I think it was less his ethnicity specifically, and more his charity work that made him taboo.
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May 6, 2018 13:39
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Davros1 posted:Listen people, JR's totally right about this. Those women need to EARN their place on the card, like that sumo wrestler no one's ever heard of did. Hey, that sumo guy earned his spot by looking kinda like Yokozuna if you squint and haven't seen Yokozuna in 30 years.
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May 6, 2018 13:50
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DeathChicken posted:They could have used Fallah Bahh, the Saudis would not have known the difference Saudis: "We'll pay you 3, Mr Yozozuna" Fallah: "Three whole dollars?! That's more than Impact paid me last year!" Saudis: "Huh? We meant 3 million"
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When did Lita go from 'drunk aunt' to 'cool hippie drunk aunt'?
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