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So a bot without any 1 on 1 wins gets to be the #16 seed. Perhaps that's why everyone is upset about the judges decision.
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Eh, they put Bombshell into the rumble knowing that, and it did a really good job. Bombshell probably should've been the winner against Yeti in episode 9, but that was another judges' decision that seemed strange. It may have been influenced by Bombshell catching fire 5 seconds before the end of the match despite breaking Yeti's weapon and damaging it heavily and being pretty dominant for most of the match. The other fights Bombshell lost seemed like it was usually put into a bad situation by not being able to self right effectively letting opponents choose how to finish it (two chose to hurl it out of the ring). I'm sure Duck will be back next year and I'm cool with a goon battlebot being able to continue on.
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Duck is impressively durable, but that team made the tactical decision to bring a robot that essentially has no weapon to a contest where weapon damage is the plurality of the points awarded. Duck's only chance of winning the rumble was 5-way knockout, and hey, they almost did.
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They should have have pushed more bots into Megabyte.
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Drowning In Terror posted:They should have have pushed more bots into Megabyte. I love how the team kept the weapon running
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Sep 15, 2018 17:53
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I feel like Duck! should have gotten, like, a 13 seed or so without having to participate in the rumble. Their losses were to Tombstone and Bronco of all people!
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duck is a loving tank and even if it loses, it still puts a ton of structural strain on the other bots that will bite them in the rear end later
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On the plus side, given all the controversy it seems like it's almost certain there's going to be a Bombshell Vs. Duck rematch next season, which should be a fun fight.
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MikeNCR posted:On the plus side, given all the controversy it seems like it's almost certain there's going to be a Bombshell Vs. Duck rematch next season, which should be a fun fight. Out of curiosity, what led you to forgo the modular design this year? Also, was the lack of self-righting intentional?
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BurntCornMuffin posted:Out of curiosity, what led you to forgo the modular design this year? Also, was the lack of self-righting intentional? We had a modular design mostly done, but the time between the season being official and the ship date was far too tight to build it without cutting tons of corners. Due to some shipping delays we essentially had 5 weeks to build the robot. The self righting plan was to use the disk to help with righting, however the motors we used had a nasty habit of catching fire when we gave them near their "rated" power. The lack of ability to handle power meant we needed to use the faux-bar instead of the full disk since it was lighter, but that made self righting harder. If you look at the bot in the rumble and Bite Force fights, you'll notice the "ears" are gone. Cutting them off meant we couldn't get stuck in a position where the wheels wouldn't reach the ground, but we also couldn't spin while inverted.
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Have the Inertia Labs guys only really done BattleBots and no other competitions? I can look at RoboGames or ComBots or whatever and see the same drivers and bot designs as I see in BattleBots, but Intertia Labs seems to not (at least regularly) participate in any other competitions. I would think given how successful they usually are, they would want to participate in other events. But I don't know, maybe in a meta where wedges are allowed, flippers don't do as well or something.
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Eh I think the judge's decision is fair, Duck is almost rules lawyering w.r.t. having an active weapon and otherwise it is just 100% a pure tank. Them making active weapons important both for the rules and design requirements is good for the sport in the long term. Duck is a prime example of technology being able to make almost unbreakable bots if you purely focus on structure; and without the focus on active weapons in a few years the lineup would turn into a bunch of unkillable (wedged) bricks. I do like the bot though and it's fights and it should have gotten a straight ticket to the finals but still, and bombshell did good work in the rumble anyway.
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Florence knocked out the power during the last fight, who won?
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wormil posted:Florence knocked out the power during the last fight, who won? Duck looked like the sole survivor until the last second, but Bombshell showed movement in the nick of time as the round ended. Bombshell won by unanimous judges decision, presumably because it doled out more active weapon damage than Duck. Duck's driver looked equal parts crushed and pissed, and the decision was somewhat controversial.
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BurntCornMuffin posted:Duck looked like the sole survivor until the last second, but Bombshell showed movement in the nick of time as the round ended. Bombshell won by unanimous judges decision, presumably because it doled out more active weapon damage than Duck. Duck's driver looked equal parts crushed and pissed, and the decision was somewhat controversial. Yep. I'm pretty sure if Duck had used their weapon more they'd have won. Using the lifter as a plow likely actively prevented them from getting the aggression point.
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maybe if duck actually fuckin did anything it'd win
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Even for non wedgebots, I feel like the right strategy on such a big rumble would be to hang back as much as possible.
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oh jay posted:Even for non wedgebots, I feel like the right strategy on such a big rumble would be to hang back as much as possible. The Luigi Strategem
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BurntCornMuffin posted:Duck looked like the sole survivor until the last second, but Bombshell showed movement in the nick of time as the round ended. Bombshell won by unanimous judges decision, presumably because it doled out more active weapon damage than Duck. Duck's driver looked equal parts crushed and pissed, and the decision was somewhat controversial. The decision was fair, Bombshell legit won the fight. But I'm sure the controversy is from that Bombshell, an 0-4 bot is in the 16 over Duck that's 2-2 only lost to the top 2 seeds. Hopefully Duck gets back in the next season and has a real weapon to go with their 1 piece body indestructible bot. (Or go the lazy route and have a flame thrower and call it a weapon.
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oh jay posted:Even for non wedgebots, I feel like the right strategy on such a big rumble would be to hang back as much as possible. Robot Wars did it right with its rumble for seeding rights. No time-limit, last bot standing rules, and then throw some house robots in there to "nudge" the hanger-backers who want to be cozy in the corner.
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They really ought to have a qualifying test on active weapons. Just some generic sacrificial scrap bot in the battlebox and give them 3 minutes to show they can do damage so they weed out the bots like Duck and ones that are just garbage like the hamburger one that weapon never worked. Does anyone tune in or show up for the live taping hoping to see two bots in a shoving match?
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Blackchamber posted:Does anyone tune in or show up for the live taping hoping to see two bots in a shoving match? They can be fun with a format and ruleset catered to them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCqxOzKNFks However, a format like Battlebots is definitely better for the active weapon requirement, as impressive a tank Duck was, its nominal weapon was a bit too nominal. Is there a specific engineering reason why people aren't using spears? That'd be a new and interesting weapon to watch, strap one of those on Duck. I remember seeing a test box in the pits during some behind the scenes stuff, did the hamburger team even use it? BurntCornMuffin fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Sep 17, 2018 |
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BurntCornMuffin posted:Is there a specific engineering reason why people aren't using spears? That'd be a new and interesting weapon to watch, strap one of those on Duck. A spear seems like an even less-effective hammer.
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Slap a thermic lance on something what could go wrong 
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Something like Double Jeopardys cannon with a captive spear so it can refire is probably the best chance a spear has at being effective.
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BurntCornMuffin posted:They can be fun with a format and ruleset catered to them. I believe Duck's "beak" is supposed to be a spear, but they've designed it such that it's just an extension of their wedge so they can go "see, active weapon" and enter a wedge bot in the competition.
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BurntCornMuffin posted:I remember seeing a test box in the pits during some behind the scenes stuff, did the hamburger team even use it? Yep, they did. They sound happy that it's working at the time: Rexxed posted:Yeah, I checked out their youtube channel and I guess they tested it out in the testing box:
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BurntCornMuffin posted:Is there a specific engineering reason why people aren't using spears? That'd be a new and interesting weapon to watch, strap one of those on Duck. Because it's probably nearly impossible to get enough speed and energy for it to actually puncture through metal of something that's on wheels when you're also on wheels. Like instead of actually doing any damage, it would just push the 2 bots apart. A hammer/spike can probably be useful, Chomp basically already has that, but the bot seems to be designed to fall over when it hits something...
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I feel like there is a flaw in the rules that allow horizontal spinners, especially Tombstone, to dominate. It's like rock, paper, scissors; without the paper. Right now the only chance against Tombstone is building something like Duck and hoping it can break the blade. BurntCornMuffin posted:...and the decision was somewhat controversial. Thank you. I like Duck and root for them but the weapon sucks and I'm not surprised they'd lose to a decision. Also, it needs wheel protection!
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I wouldn't call it a rock paper scissors type thing. There are a few weapon classes in the combat bot battles. And the obvious 2 dominating ones are the horizontal spinner and the flip bots. The vertical spinners and drums are also solid and close behind them. But, the elite bots (Tombstone, Bronco, Minotaur) are not just elite for having powerful weapons. They are well built / battle tested bots and are pretty dependable. I found it interesting with the Tombstone / Duck fight, when he stopped moving the weapon was still spinning. Once he got Tombstone moving again the weapon was not spinning. So seems like Ray might have a way to divert power from the weapon to the drive motors if he needs too in a match. Or maybe it's just coincidence and I'm imagining things... Who knows. But really, a bot like Duck with an active weapon for the judges would be the Tombstone killer. Although expensive to build.
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Bring back Stinger, the true Tombstone killer. Btw, don't think it's posted yet, so here's the Round of 16 and the schedule times:  halokiller fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Sep 18, 2018 |
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lol when tombstone and son of wayichi clash
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Lockjaw is probably built well enough to take enough hits from SOW to win the fight. SOW is a bot where you just have to take a couple hits and then SOW will flip itself upside down and be counted out. But a Tombstone and SOW fight would be amazing. Would probably end in the more broken glass... Interested to see what they are going to do to fill up the finale hour with 3 fights... Hopefully we can get a true rumble. Also there's a possible Ice Wave vs Huge rematch in there...
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Here's my bracket. I spent more time trying to pick fonts for bots than on the matches
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Maybe we should reopen the Fantasy Battlebots thing for this, albeit small, bracket.
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Xelkelvos posted:Maybe we should reopen the Fantasy Battlebots thing for this, albeit small, bracket. Oh yeah, that would be cool if someone knows how to do it without being too much of a pain in the rear end.
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It could probably be run like a typical March Madness pool with points based on picks except that you score full points by guessing the right type of victory and the winner and only half for picking a winner.
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It's a little late, but everyone fill out a bracket or at least make a list of victors and win types in each round and I'll score them. I thought about doing it in a Google Sheet so everyone can add it, but I don't want to deal with possible bad actors But I'll make it so everyone can at least look at it Link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wuWm2I6eTYgUOccrZ_axD2U2Jo1QKaJdyMx7wiXS8aY/edit?usp=sharing My picks  Edit: Tunicate, I'll need win conditions to give you full points Xelkelvos fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Sep 21, 2018 |
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Round of 16 Left: KO KO Decision Decision QF Left KO KO Round of 16 Right Ring Out KO KO Decision QF Right Ring Out Decision Semifinals: KO Decision Finals: KO
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