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the basic function of a family is mutual dependence & respect, not exploitation. well, ideally anyway. even when rearing children, you're doing it because you want to do it, ie satisfying a need.
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Yossarian-22 posted:they're good because their self-identification further entrenches the fact that they won't reproduce, op
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May 28, 2018 03:32
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This is extremely close to some sort of Randian "altruism is actually selfish" bullshit.
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May 28, 2018 03:33
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rudatron posted:"people who subordinate their own needs for the sake of others" is the definition of a doormat. you have to respect other people, but you also have to respect yourself. treat yourself and others fairly, is the best way to go. Pener Kropoopkin posted:Subordinating your own needs for the sake of others is the basic function of a family. Or society. You don't have to act like a victim if you are comfortable with your choices. Acting with morality and integrity (which sometimes require sacrifice) are cool and good.
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May 28, 2018 03:37
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actually the best way to have sex is to be hot
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:This is extremely close to some sort of Randian "altruism is actually selfish" bullshit.
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rudatron posted:no it's not? people are repulsed by others they perceive as lacking a backbone, who are too deferring. that's just a fact. Your posting itt is pretty repulsive.
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rudatron posted:no it's not? people are repulsed by others they perceive as lacking a backbone, who are too deferring. that's just a fact. Why do you read, "be good" as "be pussy"?
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AxGrap posted:Why do you read, "be good" as "be pussy"? Pener Kropoopkin posted:Your posting itt is pretty repulsive.
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Meatloaf: "🎶I will do any-thing for sex, but I won't door-mat🎶."
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General Dog posted:A lot of these guys' proposed answer is government-provided hookers. Doesn't sound capitalist to me. Government bread isn't enough for these losers, they gotta have government poontang too. Their answer is Joi from Blade Runner, except everyone tells them how cool they are for having a hologirlfriend and actual women commit mass suicide.
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rudatron posted:I don't? 'Goodness' can't be separated from 'Fairness'. An unfair system cannot be good, and asking others to 'subordinate their needs for the sake of others', is not the same thing as asking them to be good, and it's not the same thing as asking them to treat others fairly. Point in case: exploitation involves subordinating you needs for the benefit of someone else. You talked yourself into such a dumb circle. Hey bud, a lot of poo poo is not fair but people still are good inside of those systems. Also, the fact that you can so easily conflate exploitation with cool and good sacrifice makes me think you are only arguing for your own shallow and immediate interest and with no other agenda.
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I have separated them: a sacrifice isn't 'unfair'. the one who is conflating them is yourself. you and pener are trying to do some stupid rear end gotcha, and it's falling on face. 'not being a doormat' is pretty relevant when we're talking about dating, dude, and saying point black 'subordinate your needs to others', without qualification, is being grossly irresponsible, because if people follow that advice, they will open themselves up to being exploited.
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rudatron posted:"people who subordinate their own needs for the sake of others" is the definition of a doormat. you have to respect other people, but you also have to respect yourself. treat yourself and others fairly, is the best way to go. i'm hungry and need to eat food. since my needs are more important than the needs of everyone else, i'm going to punch that kid and take his candy so i can eat it. if i restrained my need for candy in order to let the child enjoy their food, that would just make me a doormat, so it can't be helped. i'm just being a rational actotoiajtjiosdfja
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do you understand what 'subordinate' means? do you understand what 'fairness' means? do you believe punching babies is 'fair'? do you have a brain tumor? these are questions you need to ask yourself, since you're clearly for not following what is being said.
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Main Paineframe posted:i'm hungry and need to eat food. since my needs are more important than the needs of everyone else, i'm going to punch that kid and take his candy so i can eat it. if i restrained my need for candy in order to let the child enjoy their food, that would just make me a doormat, so it can't be helped. i'm just being a rational actotoiajtjiosdfja 
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rudatron posted:do you understand what 'subordinate' means? do you understand what 'fairness' means? do you believe punching babies is 'fair'? do you have a brain tumor? these are questions you need to ask yourself, since you're clearly for not following what is being said. Why don't you look it up yourself, buddy.
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the real world involves a constant negotiation between your own needs, and the needs of those around you. to 'subordinate' your needs to others, is to disregard their value, in the face of any of anyone else's needs. this will be reflected, in the behaviors and actions of those around you, who will begin to treat you like poo poo, both because you treat yourself like poo poo, and because they can get away with it. mature morality involves a balance between your own needs, and everyone else needs - that is, you're not subordinating one, to the other, you're judging them on their own merits. This is called, 'fairness'. the fact that this is apparently a controversial idea, is I think proof of the, should I say, immaturity and gullibility, of yourself & others here, who I suspect are only trying this stupid 'gotcha', because they're holding some stupid forums grudge against myself, and simply opportunistically seeking a chance 'dunk' on me. Ironically, they've only made themselves look stupid.
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rudatron posted:the fact that this is apparently a controversial idea, is I think proof of the, should I say, immaturity and gullibility, of yourself & others here, who I suspect are only trying this stupid 'gotcha', because they're holding some stupid forums grudge against myself, and simply opportunistically seeking a chance 'dunk' on me. Ironically, they've only made themselves look stupid. 
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Nobody needs to gently caress though. I mean, societally somebody needs to gently caress, but it's not a need on an individual basis.
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The Incels are actually bad Thread is Actually Bad
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General Dog posted:Nobody needs to gently caress though. I mean, societally somebody needs to gently caress, but it's not a need on an individual basis. Speak for your loving self.
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May 28, 2018 06:29
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Wheeee posted:this is a good take
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Zeroisanumber posted:Speak for your loving self.
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Relin posted:people still go to bars to fidn dates? especially a 26 year old? even the most average person has a phone they can use to set up dates whenever they feel like it. not that it guarentees success any more than the other method but it's better than waiting for one to stumble on to someone through happenstance Swipe right until hook-ups fall out of your phone.
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rudatron posted:the real world involves a constant negotiation between your own needs, and the needs of those around you. to 'subordinate' your needs to others, is to disregard their value, in the face of any of anyone else's needs. lol if you're that mad that we can't handle your raw truths, i think i know another venue that would welcome this kind of posting
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wizard on a water slide posted:... rudatron posted:Fyi being a doormat is not sexy. rudatron posted:I have separated them: a sacrifice isn't 'unfair'. the one who is conflating them is yourself. you and pener are trying to do some stupid rear end gotcha, and it's falling on face.  You saw one thing, made it another and then defended your second (still stupid) point instead of addressing how treating women like humans and not a adversary who has some resource you desire is good. nice meltdown btw.
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you seem to forget that you can also gain "balance" through subordination itself. through the joy you gain by sacrificing your needs for the sake of another, for instance.
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I mean, there's a reason farmers castrate male livestock that they don't intend to breed. Male mammals have evolved to be pretty violent, especially when there are females in heat in their vicinity.
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Castration sounds like a good solution for incels.
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Bob Barker here, reminding you all to get your fail children spayed & neutered.
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rudatron posted:the real world involves a constant negotiation between your own needs, and the needs of those around you. to 'subordinate' your needs to others, is to disregard their value, in the face of any of anyone else's needs. weren't you the guy who made a moral dilemma thread then got mad that people wouldn't solve it the way you wanted them to
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Ace of Baes posted:what if cell from dragon Ball z was so angry because he was an incel 1st form: incel 2nd form: sexhaver 3rd form: volcel
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May 29, 2018 02:35
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Anyway rudatron, as always, is right
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Anyway rudatron, as always, is right No, Jeb!, no! *whaps you with a newspaper* Bad Jeb!
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swimsuit posted:actually the best way to have sex is to be hot intriguing. never thought of that one, haha
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But you Communists would introduce community of women, screams the whole bourgeoisie in chorus. The bourgeois sees in his wife a mere instrument of production. He hears that the instruments of production are to be exploited in common, and, naturally, can come to no other conclusion, than that the lot of being common to all will likewise fall to the women. He has not even a suspicion that the real point aimed at is to do away with the status of women as mere instruments of production.
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