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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Therefore, Star Wars combat should now revolve around those blue electro-liquid orbs from Phantom Menace. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVR03bMe0TA&t=138s
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josh04 posted:Star Wars sequels that are all about Vader's ability to deflect laser blasts with his hand. Somewhere Dave Filoni's ears are burning. The Expanded Universe, they eventually retconned that Vader couldn't block lasers with his hand because his limbs are reinforced robot limbs or because he's a powerful evil wizard, but because he was wearing ~Mandalorian~ gloves that were indestructable.
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This is the only fight that matters.
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They should have a lightsaber that's like a dozen meters in length, that'd be badass.
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I see your schwartz is as big as mine!
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I want a movie with a dwarf wielding a lightsaber axe, an elf who shoots lightsaber arrows and a bard with a lightsaber lute.
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feedmyleg posted:None of the lightsaber gimmicks matter if you don't make the actual affects of the lightsaber more terrifying and dangerous. When a lightsaber comes on, I want to have the characters cower and feel the air sizzle with tension. Make us feel that alongside the characters, and you don't need to add anything to them at all. Everything beyond the base-level sabers has only served to make them less threatening. 
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I initially thought this too, but Luke actually is carrying the green sword on his belt at the end of the film, meaning he went back to retrieve it. Signs of a Bad End. Maybe R2-D2 was carrying a second, identical lightsaber for the entire movie in case he missed the throw on the first attempt on Jabba's barge.
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euphronius posted:You are describing the genre and saying it’s bad. Thank you. I kept reading that post and thinking, "But all of this sounds awesome?" My only real issue was General Grevious, but that's my own personal head canon bias. I grew up thinking the only way you could use a crazy weapon like a lightsaber, which would burn you or sever a limb just by touching any part of it except the handle, was if you could use the Force and pre-determine where it would be (Han that one time was an exception, because he just barely used it to do a simple slice of a Tauntaun). And then here comes GG, a non-Force user, using 4 of the god drat things at a time so well he's killing Jedi with them, apparently. But I acknowledge that's a "me" problem. Halloween Jack posted:When TPM came out there was the most terrible nerd whining about how the double saber was stupid and impractical (because a laser sword is so practical in the first place). But Ray Park is obviously really good at Shaolin gun style. Ren uses his crossguard saber to hold two enemies at bay once or twice. And the Darksaber just looks cool. I doubt that they'll ever do a live-action saber vs. saber fight with a lightwhip, or a lightonfa, or those Inquisitor swords, because the concept is stupid and probably can't be staged well. We get as close as we're ever going to get to a lightwhip (and maybe lightonfa, I don't remember all the weapons they had) in the Last Jedi Throne Room fight. Sure, the weapons the guards are using aren't lightsabers, but they can battle lightsabers with them, so they might as well be, and one of them is a whip. I always liked how inventive the weapons were in that fight. YaketySass posted:They should have a lightsaber that's like a dozen meters in length, that'd be badass. A Legends books had one of Luke's apprentices modify his lightsaber so it could double in length after pressing a button. But it was a pretty bad book in a very bad series, and we generally don't like talking about it. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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You might not like the Jedi Academy trilogy but I for one enjoy the space blob horse races, Han solo xtreme sportz skiing on Coruscant, star system annihilating spaceships and robot tentacle mountains battling Imperial spider tanks.
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Arc Hammer posted:You might not like the Jedi Academy trilogy but I for one enjoy the space blob horse races, Han solo xtreme sportz skiing on Coruscant, star system annihilating spaceships and robot tentacle mountains battling Imperial spider tanks. I totally forgot about the Han Solo skiing part.
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Arc Hammer posted:You might not like the Jedi Academy trilogy but I for one enjoy the space blob horse races, Han solo xtreme sportz skiing on Coruscant, star system annihilating spaceships and robot tentacle mountains battling Imperial spider tanks. I haven't read anything by Kevin J. Anderson since I was, like, 10 years old and even then I could tell those books were dogshit. I'm almost 40, now; if I tried re-visiting them at this point I'd likely give myself an aneurysm.
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thrawn527 posted:I totally forgot about the Han Solo skiing part. Of course you did, skiing is boring af.
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feedmyleg posted:None of the lightsaber gimmicks matter if you don't make the actual affects of the lightsaber more terrifying and dangerous. When a lightsaber comes on, I want to have the characters cower and feel the air sizzle with tension. Make us feel that alongside the characters, and you don't need to add anything to them at all. Everything beyond the base-level sabers has only served to make them less threatening. IMO they should do a story about some dude way out in the rear end end of the galaxy, who is the only dude that has a lightsaber. This is after order 66, and this dude is a bad guy, totally insane, and he’s pretty much invulnerable. There’s no Jedi around! He kind of just walks this planet, doing as he pleases. And yeah when he ignites his saber, everyone cowers. And he will just chop anybody up, for any reason. It will be like Sword of Doom, only the evil protagonist is the only one who has a weapon.
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lightsaber but it's stuck in a space stone
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MrMojok posted:IMO they should do a story about some dude way out in the rear end end of the galaxy, who is the only dude that has a lightsaber. And the first time somebody stands up to him and he tries to use the thing, he cuts his own rear end off!
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euphronius posted:You are describing the genre and saying it’s bad. The problem is thinking 'lightsaber' is the genre. feedmyleg posted:Everything beyond the base-level sabers has only served to make them less threatening. /\ This guy gets it. 
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The lightsaber helicopter is pretty easily the stupidest star wars thing on video. It seems like the only thought about "why does this spinning thing make them fly" was "helicopter blades spin, they fly." I think they were going for the kind of silliness you get from Grievous having 4 spinning arms with lightsabers, but this just makes no loving sense.
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Isometric Bacon posted:The problem is thinking 'lightsaber' is the genre. I mean the genre is one where poo poo happens because it looks cool
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Glottis posted:The lightsaber helicopter is pretty easily the stupidest star wars thing on video. It seems like the only thought about "why does this spinning thing make them fly" was "helicopter blades spin, they fly." I guess now we need a gif of Grievous starting to spin his blades and then just lifting off.
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Halloween Jack posted:Lightsabers are cool, but they don't get exponentially more cool when you add more gimmicks on, especially if you don't really have any ideas how to actually do anything interesting with it. 
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thrawn527 posted:My only real issue was General Grevious, but that's my own personal head canon bias. I grew up thinking the only way you could use a crazy weapon like a lightsaber, which would burn you or sever a limb just by touching any part of it except the handle, was if you could use the Force and pre-determine where it would be (Han that one time was an exception, because he just barely used it to do a simple slice of a Tauntaun). And then here comes GG, a non-Force user, using 4 of the god drat things at a time so well he's killing Jedi with them, apparently. But I acknowledge that's a "me" problem. The thing about Grievous is that he's a star wars cyborg, that is his immediately notable characteristic. As that applies to lightsabre combat makes a lot of sense, he is a sentient being (  ) who leverages droid machinery to augment his understanding of lightsabre combat. It works really well for me. That he obsesses over collecting jedis' lightsabres (like some versions of EU Boba) is icing on the cake for his character building. That he's a massive coward that instantly retreats when things don't go his way is the strawberry on the icing.
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I want this guy to stick his arms out and spin around in a 360 and take off like
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Jehde posted:The thing about Grievous is that he's a star wars cyborg, that is his immediately notable characteristic. As that applies to lightsabre combat makes a lot of sense, he is a sentient being ( Funny thing is that, even before his crippling injury, Grievous retreating the moment things don't go his way could well be called prudent tactics. His entire thing is being able to fight Jedi by taking them by surprise, by fighting in ways Jedi aren't expecting, both copying their fighting style and using it in ways they can't or won't. Of course all that relies on him maintaining momentum and control of the situation, so it makes sense to turn around and gtfo when his foes start to catch on, and lives to fight another day, especially since he's leading armies that are generally made up of explicitly expendable droids who it's probably standard practice to sacrifice to cover his retreat. And of course, in the end he ends up beaten by a Jedi choosing to fight in a way Jedi normally don't, a very uncivilised way.
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If you haven't seen the show this takes place near the climax of one of the best/most loved episodes.
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Arc Hammer posted:star system annihilating spaceships they took the question "Why don't they construct the whole plane out of the material they use for the flight recorder Black Box" and ran with it re: lightsabers, the Kotor games had shorter sabers for the off-hand in dual wielding, and later on Kreia uses the force to levitate three at once, not something you see a lot elsewhere. People keep losing their hands, what about Jedi that never had any in the first place?
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Vinylshadow posted:
My many issues with the Obi-Wan series aside, I appreciated that they had the inquisitors execute someone by pulling them to another one spinning their saber like this lol
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In the story, Grievous was always just some old sick guy. Obi-Wan wasn't even afraid of him.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:If you haven't seen the show this takes place near the climax of one of the best/most loved episodes. It's the moment I gave up on Rebels. I realized that if this was the best the show had to offer and it still felt it was okay to do silly poo poo like this, it wasn't for me.
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Halloween Jack posted:Lightsabers are cool, but they don't get exponentially more cool when you add more gimmicks on, especially if you don't really have any ideas how to actually do anything interesting with it. Dude why the gently caress would you post in DND lol what a terrible red text
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Unfortunately, laser-sword blades obviously do behave as solid objects. So there’s really no reason why they couldn’t be shaped and spun in such a way as to generate lift. The trouble is that there’s seemingly nothing to counteract the torque of the blades spinning, unless we grant that the hilt contains some of Star Wars’ ubiquitous antigravit-ish kinda devices. Even that allowance raises the question of why you need the blades at all (see: Obiwan hanging from the assassin droid in Episode 2). Also it’s ugly.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:unless we grant that the hilt contains some of Star Wars’ ubiquitous antigravit-ish kinda devices. Micro-repulsorlifts, yes
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feedmyleg posted:It's the moment I gave up on Rebels. I realized that if this was the best the show had to offer and it still felt it was okay to do silly poo poo like this, it wasn't for me. People talk about there being a big step up from season 1 to season 2 and no, it's just that they got settled in to the show and also Ahsoka and Rex turned up. Even the other episode that everyone loves (Twin Suns) has a stupid Ezra/Chopper subplot clogging it up.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Unfortunately, laser-sword blades obviously do behave as solid objects. So there’s really no reason why they couldn’t be shaped and spun in such a way as to generate lift. So you're saying, this would work for Miles 'Tails' Prower.
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Andor and Rogue One insisting on terrible 1970s haircuts is a step in the right direction.
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Rebels' aesthetic seems to be "Kenner + Ralph McQuarrie", so it definitely lives in a weird toy-logic version of the Star Wars universe. The TIE Fighters have stubby wings like the old Kenner toys, everyone's smooth and plasticky, and the Inquisitors use weapons straight out of the toy aisle.
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