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Borrovan posted:Incidentally I picked up some skills when I was a lad that would probably be useful to the cause, and (since this thread convinced me) I've been looking into doing my part preventing the rise of far-right nationalism, but I can't find any relevant social media accounts or websites in my area that have updated in the past year - can anyone give me any pointers? Idk even how to find out where fash demonstrations are going down, let alone find sufficient comrades to actually make a difference Your city will have a local Antifa group most likely - check twitter and FB. There's also the network's umbrella site here, which keeps a reasonably up-to-date calendar of upcoming events. 161 Crew does a lot of the same stuff at AFN and is also fairly widespread, but more concentrated up towards the midlands and the north afaik - but I can't speak from any personal experience of them, so no idea what they're like to be part of.
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Jippa posted:Because their "intention" is laughable? Yeah not really. Lots of people dying already and some people in power in some countries calling for some seriously shady poo poo that is not at all far removed from the actual nazis. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/12/virginia-unite-the-right-rally-protest-violence https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/30/finsbury-park-attack-darren-osborne-kill-jeremy-corbyn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jo_Cox https://qz.com/1182778/the-far-right-was-responsible-for-the-majority-of-extremist-killings-in-2017/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/19/italy-coalition-rift-roma-register-matteo-salvini Z the IVth posted:Can I please say that you shouldn't take kenalog injections for hayfever since those are properly potent steroids. Well 4 a day doesn't really control my symptoms, it turns me from being a sneezing wheezing itchy exhausted mess into just being a bit sneezy, only mostly exhausted and with irritated eyes... IF I also stay inside absolutely as much as possible for 3+ months of the year. Also during the worst parts of the year (e.g. right now) I actually end up taking like 6-8 a day PLUS pseudoephedrine, PLUS prevalin PLUS allergy barrier balm AND I've been prescribed steroid nasal spray but I don't use it as I've found it doesn't really help (and been told as much by my allergist). Also I'm on Grazax desensitisation (immunotherapy) which might have helped a bit but nowhere near enough. If I go outside for more than like 10 minutes total on a day like today I'll be a constantly sneezing mess for the rest of that day. It's really, really loving awful frankly. WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Jun 30, 2018 |
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WhatEvil posted:Yeah not really. Lots of people dying already and some people in power in some countries calling for some seriously shady poo poo that is not at all far removed from the actual nazis. Have you used the nasal steroids at full dose for at least two weeks? They take a while to kick in.
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Jippa posted:How exactly would this guy "enact his wet dreams" in our current political system? It's nonsense. He is just another twat on social media. twats on social media are our current political system
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jabby posted:Have you used the nasal steroids at full dose for at least two weeks? They take a while to kick in. I believe I have. It would've been a while ago I tried it so I don't fully remember but I do remember being told before that it would take a while for them to start working and I would've followed the instructions. I got prescribed them by my GP and when I went to see my allergist (this guy http://www.allergyresolutions.co.uk ) he said that he wouldn't bother with them. Bit frustrating to get conflicting advice like that from medical professionals but what can you do?  You think they should help then?
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Thanks ober. Social media's dead here, but I'll have a harder look & can at least keep an eye on the calendar.
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WhatEvil posted:Yeah not really. Lots of people dying already and some people in power in some countries calling for some seriously shady poo poo that is not at all far removed from the actual nazis. At this point it's clear why these fucks want a strong leader that undeniably eats meat. Because it's the only clear difference left.
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WhatEvil posted:I believe I have. It would've been a while ago I tried it so I don't fully remember but I do remember being told before that it would take a while for them to start working and I would've followed the instructions. Chin up, it's not like you're worst off among his patients quote:Case Studies fate worse than death
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Borrovan posted:Thanks ober. Social media's dead here, but I'll have a harder look & can at least keep an eye on the calendar. If the place you live really has nothing you might consider starting your own if that's possible. Within the network the usual practice is that the next closest established group supports and mentors a new group for a while until they affiliate more formally to the network. If you can scrounge up a few like-minded comrades it might be worth getting in contact with the closest group on social media and asking for advice and to be kept in the loop as to what's going on.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Chin up, it's not like you're worst off among his patients See I actually just spotted that and it made me wonder how good he is because I'd read before that MSG allergy is a myth: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/aug/12/msg-allergy-chinese-restaurant-syndrome-myth endlessmonotony posted:At this point it's clear why these fucks want a strong leader that undeniably eats meat. Sorry, might just be because it's late but I don't understand this.
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Jippa posted:Unironic sociopath. Yes, that is an accurate description of a a fascist. Wasting a moment of concern for people who want to exterminate you, your friends, your neighbours is folly. It's entirely my empathy for people that drives bring able to take joy from seeing fascists suffering serious concussions. Its actively deflating the illusion of toughness that does so much for their appeal and that is in fact funny and good. History tells us the consequences of not stomping fascists from birth. Hell, don't even need history these days, just stick the news on. I'm not sorry I take them very seriously. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jul 1, 2018 |
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WhatEvil posted:Well 4 a day doesn't really control my symptoms, it turns me from being a sneezing wheezing itchy exhausted mess into just being a bit sneezy, only mostly exhausted and with irritated eyes... IF I also stay inside absolutely as much as possible for 3+ months of the year. Also during the worst parts of the year (e.g. right now) I actually end up taking like 6-8 a day PLUS pseudoephedrine, PLUS prevalin PLUS allergy barrier balm AND I've been prescribed steroid nasal spray but I don't use it as I've found it doesn't really help (and been told as much by my allergist). Also I'm on Grazax desensitisation (immunotherapy) which might have helped a bit but nowhere near enough. If I go outside for more than like 10 minutes total on a day like today I'll be a constantly sneezing mess for the rest of that day. It's really, really loving awful frankly. That sounds awful but at least you're seeing a specialist. Have you broached the idea of systemic steroids with them?
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WhatEvil posted:Sorry, might just be because it's late but I don't understand this. "We're not nazis just because we advocate a genocidal ethnostate and lock up people for not being the acceptable race." They want a meat-eating leader because by any other yardstick they're already nazis, and centrist clowns like Jippa had plenty of column inches back then too.
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WhatEvil posted:Sorry, might just be because it's late but I don't understand this. Hitler was a vegetarian.
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WhatEvil posted:I believe I have. It would've been a while ago I tried it so I don't fully remember but I do remember being told before that it would take a while for them to start working and I would've followed the instructions. They're the first line treatment, and the one with the best evidence base. If it's been a while since you tried them I'd definitely give them another go. Oral antihistamines and decongestants are both decent adjuncts, but just be aware that you WILL get rebound congestion from the pseudoephidine. Sublingual immunotherapy works, but it's less effective than the subcutaneous (injected) form. You could ask your GP about that but it's a long commitment since you need a year's course to see how well it works. If your symptoms are really bad ask for a short course of oral steroids. Exactly the same effect as the steroid injection, but you can control the dose better, use a shorter course and discontinue if you get any adverse effects. Also your allergist's website literally says nasal steroids are used for hayfever, so I don't know what he's on about really.
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Tenebrais posted:Hitler was a vegetarian. And therefore a carnivorous leader is the fig-leaf they need to not be Nazis. I think the joke has thoroughly been murdered now.
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forkboy84 posted:Yes, that is an accurate description of a a fascist. These jokers mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. Celebrating some guy getting brain damage just reflects badly on you how ever you spin it and you know that really.
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Jippa posted:These jokers mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. Reminder that in the 1920s, everyone was either laughing at Hitler, or praising how orderly and efficient Germany was becoming. Not many people took him seriously as a threat at that time. I don't think we should underestimate fascists. History has proven just how quickly and terribly that ideology can spread and take hold.
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Jippa posted:These jokers mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. Celebrating some guy getting brain damage just reflects badly on you how ever you spin it and you know that really. I'll probably cope with centrist dad not thinking highly of me to be honest.
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So apparently established accounts on tracked social media networks are a thing the spooks will pay you to take over. So if we do actually have gov spies reading this dead forum and you need some quick cash there's always options.
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forkboy84 posted:I'll probably cope with centrist dad not thinking highly of me to be honest. Proper tough guy. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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As someone who's engaged in necessary violence to protect himself and others in the past, crowing about it in public and how you totally wish you'd given a guy brain damage makes you sound like a homacidal tit, not a hero. These people are unimportant, and Nazis must be fought so treat it like work, do the thing and move on.
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How anyone can take a look around 'Western' countries and still think "Yeah, go easy on the fascists" is beyond me. Fascists are scum and anything that takes them down a peg or two (or an inch or two) is good in my book.
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Kokoro Wish posted:As someone who's engaged in necessary violence to protect himself and others in the past, crowing about it in public and how you totally wish you'd given a guy brain damage makes you sound like a homacidal tit, not a hero. These people are unimportant, and Nazis must be fought so treat it like work, do the thing and move on. Generally though the people saying 'how dare you celebrate violence' are trying to stop you punching Nazis in the first place, not just being overly pleased about it. Jippa is quite clearly of the opinion that leading a major neo-Nazi group and trying to make these opinions acceptable is unimportant and not justification for being silenced.
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kingturnip posted:How anyone can take a look around 'Western' countries and still think "Yeah, go easy on the fascists" is beyond me. There's a difference between taking a fascist down a peg and martyring him, though, isn't there? A fascist crying out because someone gave his mate brain damage elicits sympathy from others. A fascist crying out because someone slapped him round the lug and called him a Nazi is infantilised.
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Kokoro Wish posted:As someone who's engaged in necessary violence to protect himself and others in the past, crowing about it in public and how you totally wish you'd given a guy brain damage makes you sound like a homacidal tit, not a hero. These people are unimportant, and Nazis must be fought so treat it like work, do the thing and move on. And can this brain damage nonsense gently caress off? It's technically true and concussions can have long term consequences but he's not turned into a vegetable. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Jul 1, 2018 |
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I don't think it's difficult, inconsistent, or bad, to believe that some people do and say terrible things when they've had every opportunity not to, and therefore not feel at all bad when terrible things happen to them as a result. While still extending a general sense of empathy to everyone else.
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I think in the grand scheme of things most of us would prefer to stop the fash by convincing the fash with arguments and evidence that it's a terrible idea. But that's not the world we live in; they are in ascendancy all over the place and when we're in as much of a loving mess as we are in, that time has passed, if it is ever possible rather than a pipe dream. So I'm fully happy to see people who want to throw me (a trans woman), my mum (disabled), or most of my closest friends (queer and minorities) into a loving oven get their heads bounced off the pavement.
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Ms Adequate posted:I think in the grand scheme of things most of us would prefer to stop the fash by convincing the fash with arguments and evidence that it's a terrible idea. . That's the problem with Fascists and The Right in general across the West. Logic, reason, and discussion cannot be brought to bare to turn them because they never came to those positions by those methods in the first place. The only method left is to crack skulls. It sucks, as most folk don't wish pain and damage on others, but you're committing minor violence against those who would commit atrocities.
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an anecdote comes to mindquote:In August 1968 I was on an SDS trip to Cuba, one of about 30 student activists from around the US. One day we went to the mission of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of South Vietnam in Havana (it had been called the National Liberation Front but had recently taken on a new name). We decided to see if the NLF, as we called them, could settle some debates in the US antiwar movement. After exchanging pleasantries with the representative of the PRG/NLF, we had the following exchange.
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Is it time for my Witch doctor story? My dad went to see a witch doctor in Sri Lanka to get himself cured of hay fever. Man did the whole mystical incense shaking and burbled chanting thing and told him to go away and wear a tight fitting woollen jumper. Bizarrely it actually works. The Science is that wool acts as a catcher for pollen (remember the rubbing a balloon on a wool jumper to create static trick when you were kids) and if the jumper is too small it slightly compresses your lungs which also helps. 
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learnincurve posted:Shoutout for the Daily Telegraph today who chose to use their front page to complain about a lettuce shortage when Lancashire is literally on fire. Let's face it there are more Telegraph readers eating lettuce at this exact second than there are Telegraph readers in Greater Manchester. Now if the fires threatened Cheshire...
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learnincurve posted:Is it time for my Witch doctor story? Lol it's hotter there than here now. I assume this method actually prevents hayfever by killing you instantly.
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