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When right wing politicians start talking about aesthetics it conjures up before me immediately the image of the endless smokestacks in Auschwitz. Liberal family of mine also make a point of "haha I don't call him Baudet I call him bidet". Very funny. Let's not take this fascist who just became a major player in our politics and the threat he represents seriously. I'm sure this will work out well.
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Kurtofan posted:maybe salvini can go for another famous mussolini moment next time, i have a suggestion Milan still has petrol stations right?
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Reminder that it's official US policy to boost the European far right. Also unofficial Russian policy.
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Rutte has been in power for 10 years. Under his cabinets, Dutch IC capacity has been halved. Villages in East-Brabant (the heaviest hit area in NL) are burying their dead in the dozens, but because we do not have sufficient testing capacity (guess why), many of them do not even show up in the official death statistics. The majority of the Dutch population thinks Rutte is handling this crisis admirably.
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An insane mind posted:And honestly, the reason why people think he's handling it admirably is because at the moment he has Italy to point at as 'at least I'm keeping you from being them'. I'm just hoping the longer this holds and the more the Netherlands unravels (especially when South and North-Holland actually get hit with Brabant levels of the 'roni) people see him for the piece of poo poo that he is. I hope, but I'm seeing no signs of this, and I am in Brabant. With friends who work or are married to spouses who work in healthcare. And they think Rutte is good. It's disturbing.
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Ecofascism when?cargo cult posted:didn't the historical nsdap have environmentalist pretentions It kinda went along with the whole ideal image of blond Germans frolicking in proper Germanic nature like in the olden times they imagined had once existed. Kinda goes back to Romanticism which was a reaction to the conditions created by industrialization. Obviously this never held up whenever it came into contact with any industrial interests. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 09:00 on Apr 3, 2020 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Pretty sure the idea at its most coherent was to exterminate slavic peoples for 'living space' for blonde German children to frolic in. I mean they literally created a bunch of ideal little hamlets to live their idealized lives. And then used at least one of them to train concentration camp "doctors".
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Fascist party has fascist members. Media pretends to be shocked. Nobody does anything about this. Party set for further electoral gains in the polls. Discourse in country that gave out medals for shooting fascists 75 years ago now believes calling fascists fascists is extremist and polarizing.
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Old people who got poo poo educations because their countries were in ruins at the time and are now living in a digital world they understand almost nothing of.
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Yeah tbh I can't imagine the world passing me by and becoming the kind old racist grandpa except instead of racist add in whatever the civil rights struggle of that day will be. Except you know, it's still going to be racism isn't it? It's just loving going to continue being the same dumb poo poo arguing about whether all human beings really do deserve the so-called universal human rights. Yes, no matter their skin colour. Or who they like to gently caress. Or what's going on between their legs. Like the only possible new thing here is going to be like, android or AI rights or whatever, and like, that doesn't seem so difficult and lol let's see any of that poo poo become actual reality first.
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GABA ghoul posted:Breast feeding your 16 year old son in public, going shopping with a talking anime pillow, nudists at the cinema, people tripping on legalized acid in public busses, etc. There is gonna be so much weird poo poo in 2060 for boomer goons to be annoyed about, don't worry Going to think all these things are dumb af but also all the people doing them are still people and deserve to be treated with respect and dignity.
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forkboy84 posted:So long as they aren't also fash, sure I specified people.
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My history textbook had a very good sub-title for the chapter on the Golden Age. The Golden Age: the rich get richer and the poor get poorer
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SplitSoul posted:Impeachment proceedings against the former Danish Minister of Integration have begun, charged with ordering her officials to break the law and subsequently lying to parliament. Probably gonna end up as a nothingburger with at best a slap on the wrist. Congrats on having your own Verdonk. Was this minister a prison warden before becoming a minister by any chance?
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Carthag Tuek posted:even worse, she's a career politician who's only had a few very short real jobs For context, Verdonk thought burning asylum seekers to death in their cells was the government doing an "adequate job".
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double nine posted:lmao. Free market innovation Something something let's slaughter the goose that lays the golden eggs something something. gently caress me I've just realized that fairytale is literally neoliberalism.txt isn't it? Edit: lmao I've also just learned it's not a fairytale but one of Aesop's fables, so destroying a valuable resource out of shortsighted greed is literally a thousands of years old meme. And yet *points at our entire political establishment*. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 17:14 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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Just loving lol if you dont vote Bij1, what are you even doing with your life?
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spankmeister posted:I really have no clue who these people are. They came out of nowhere. I'm sure they did a lot of polling and research to see how they could come out on top of the "stemwijzers" and for lots of people they came out on top and they went yeah okay. So many loving people just do what the Stemwijzers tell them to do. Whoever decides which questions get asked in these has a not insignificant amount of electoral influence.
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A good couple hundred thousand voters constantly float between SP and PVV. And now apparently also FvD? They vote for whoever they see as the most anti-system I think. And yes, these are mostly people who want things to be fairer economically but also believe non-white people need to shut up about racism. To be honest, this has a long history in leftism. See for example old timey unions who really did fight hard and win victories for the (white) working class from capital being racist as hell. I'm talking in like, the 20s and 30s. It's why socialists get accused of class reductionism on the regular. Both when that is a valid and not a valid criticism. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 12:26 on Mar 18, 2021 |
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Griefor posted:Every single electable person (for 150 seats) of each party is listed. Most people vote for the top person of their chosen party (the 'list puller'). Mostly seats are filled from the top of the list down. But you can also vote for a specific other person and if someone gets enough votes they'll get the seat instead of the next person in line on the list. In fact, we have so called 'list pushers' which are famous people who are on the bottom of the list to pull people in but then when they get enough votes to get a seat over the people above them on the list they simply refuse to take the seat. So basically it's just advertising, right there on the ballot. Reason for this is because were supposed to vote for people, not parties, to represent us and political parties originally had no legal basis. Welp. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 08:49 on Mar 19, 2021 |
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The most insidious part of the discourse in the Netherlands is that middle class people believe en-block that even though there are issues in politics to discuss about, at the end of the day everyone living in the country has it good and no one has any *real* problems. Which is just so goddamn far from the truth, but we've really managed to build ourselves a nice little class apartheid system where you don't have to interact at all with the people living in precarity if you don't belong to that class unless you actively choose to. And anyone from the middle class and up having to deal with a serious problem (due to defunding of state institutions leading to more and more people slipping through the cracks and just being hosed over mercilessly, like say, youth mental health care being an utter disaster right now) is just mentally filed as an unfortunate (and shocking and totally unexpected) incident rather than the symptom of a giant structural problem which it absolutely is. In related news I loving loathe my countrymen. Oh and yes, it cannot be overstated how absolutely uncritical Dutch society in general is of the US and US culture. Also see Black Friday and Halloween somehow being loving things here now. I'm legit liable to start ranting about the destruction of Dutch culture and traditions if I get trick or treated. The gently caress out of here with that poo poo. I'm half expecting idiots to start doing Thanksgiving next. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 13:17 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Osmosisch posted:It's the uncritical absorption of US bullshit when contrasted with ultraconservatism about national traditions when they're actively harmful that is maddening We can not possibly change our traditions and culture except for the wholesale way in which we whore ourselves out to the US at all times and call it progress. Like let's be real, does the average Dutch person know more about Halloween or Keti Koti? Even though the latter is part of our history and the former is not.
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V. Illych L. posted:USificationis even seeping into the expectations people have of their working lives, it's bullshit!!! This is easily the worst part. And something I have noticed as well.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It is in (American?) English too. What’s the third?
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In NL the big lie they always tell about this is that "at least we are willing to shoulder RESPONSIBILITY" unlike you parties who choose to "put yourself offsides" when you refuse to negotiate with or support fascism and/or neoliberalism. This goes along with insisting that you cannot change the country without entering a government, and thus are basically lying to your voters with your campaign promises, unlike them, who entered as junior coalition partners and managed to change nothing. Dutch voters eat this poo poo up too.
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Spanish colleague I've been working with for the past 9 months is just so stoked that the "extreme left" has been defeated and their leader who has ties to Venezuela (can you imagine?) has resigned. Talking about what a great day for Spain it is. loving sigh.
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SplitSoul posted:Denmark has entered into negotiations with Rwanda's Kagame for plans to establish asylum processing camps in his country. Rwandan police has a history of gunning down unarmed refugees. Denmark is impressive in its commitment to being the most racist country in Europe, a position with astonishingly fierce competition.
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5 different fascist parties currently in parliament. Get on our level Europe.
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When and how did Slovenia get such a poo poo government anyway? If I recall correctly y'all were pretty chill like 10 years ago?
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ted hitler hunter posted:The Swedish Prime Minister and leader of the Social Democrat Party, Stefan Löfven announced today that they will step down from both positions in the fall ahead of the 2022 election. What's wrong with your politicians? Don't they know that consequences for their actions and taking responsibility are 20th century concepts and you can just continue angrily denying that your incompetence has caused lots of deaths and accuse those who point that out of lacking all decency? #justRuttethings
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spankmeister posted:if you want to outlaw prostitution, don't criminalize the supply side, criminalize the demand side. If you want to outlaw prostitution, don't. Abolish capitalism instead. Even if you criminalize just the demand side, what is the effect going to be on people working as prostitutes? Firstly realize that these people are in majority doing this work because they need money to meet basic human needs like food and shelter for themselves and possible dependents. Any kind of criminalizing law is not going to change that basic fact, nor will it change that this work was apparently better suited for these people than other work. For example because other work is not available to them. So if the clients are criminalized, what happens? Well, some section of them will leave the market. This means more competition and less income for those working as prostitutes, meaning they will be economically incentivized to not turn down dodgy clients giving them bad vibes. It also means their bargaining position, for example to insist on condom usage, is weakened. The clients now automatically being criminals will also demand more discretion, so they will want to take the prostitutes to more secluded places than before. It also stands to reason that the non-abusive clients are more likely to exit the market upon criminalization than the abusive clients. Do any of these things sound like positive outcomes for people working as prostitutes? Please read "Revolting Prostitutes: The Fight for Sex Workers' Rights" for a Marxist feminist and materialist analysis of the criminalization of sex work written by sex workers. And also do not criminalize sex work in any way if you care about sex workers. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 09:02 on Oct 18, 2021 |
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Falukorv posted:SWERFs I'm serious, please read Revolting Prostitutes, it explicitly treats all of these topics at length. The one thing I do want to go into detail on here is: quote:That legalisation increases trafficking and violence and that many if not most are trafficked, dont want to do it and correlates highy with poor mental wellbeing and past trauma is a big sticking point, countries where it is legal dont seem to be better at addressing these issues in the present level of control many of them have. Legalisation increasing trafficking and increasing violence is a huge claim to make and good luck proving it. Especially because when prostitution is illegal it necessarily becomes more hidden and good luck figuring out how much violence is happening at that point. Also, ultimately the core issue is going to remain that people need to get money to eat and they got to do something to get this money or else they will die. And that itself is violence. And also the foundation of our capitalist economic system. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 17:31 on Oct 20, 2021 |
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V. Illych L. posted:if you're a part of the organised sex workers' groups, it hurts your bottom line and makes life more difficult, so you're opposed to it. Pretty euphemistic way of saying it makes your work significantly more dangerous and therefore more likely that you will be the victim of violence. Now you are right that the issue is difficult. And I also agree with you that sex work isn't *just* work. There is to my mind a distinction, though in most circumstances I don't think that distinction ought to matter. This being a rather difficult subject also makes it difficult to post about. Not in the least because one would need quite a lot of words, and thus time, to fully articulate the facts pertaining to the issue and then ones position. And so I find myself recommending a book which treats all of the issues mentioned at length from a perspective that I would expect would generally align ideologically quite well with posters on this forum, and which I found very enlightening besides. I share the opinion of Southpaugh that many (most?) are not well informed about this topic, and do want to encourage others to further educate themselves. Just as I have been encouraged to further educate myself on it by posters on these forums. Maybe one day I will have the time, energy and will to post about this topic at great length. Today isn't that day.
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How reliable is that source because uhhh, what in the absolute gently caress?
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Yeah no I mean I don't expect good thing from intelligence agencies but this is still the kind of claim that needs some serious evidence to me. If for no other reason so that I don't sound like a conspiracy nut if I repeat it. I prefer to be a conspiracy realist.
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Zodium posted:and that's our left wing. Dare I ask what your right wing's alternative looks like?
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Afghan evacuees in NL are also being housed on or very near a military training area so they get to enjoy the daily gunfire and/or explosions they have grown accustomed to.
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