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Cockmaster
Feb 24, 2002

bloom posted:

Have you ever actually witnessed someone licking one or more of the machines?

Would they really be any worse than anything else that would be touched by many different human hands all day (such as a door handle)?

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Cockmaster
Feb 24, 2002

Imaduck posted:

Lol, yeah, casinos are really paranoid about this stuff. If you've played the games, it becomes very clear that even if you're the best in the world, you can't make money. Basically, being skilled will get you the highest payouts, but those payouts are randomized and biased to give the house an edge. One of my biggest criticisms of the machines right now is that edge is way too huge and it never feels like you win (unlike slots where you'll be up like, 40% of the time in a 20 minute session). I think they're doing this because of paranoid casino execs that don't understand the technology and are deathly afraid of skill-based games, even though it's what the younger generation wants.

From what I've heard, one of the problems there is that it takes way longer to play a round of one of these games than it does to spin a slot machine, which means less revenue.


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I don't have a stake in the company or anything, I just think the concept is really cool. I'd like to see more skill-based games where you play against other players, and the house takes a small cut (e.g. poker).

The Gamblit Model G machine supports a version of poker (formerly called Grab Poker) where cards are dealt face up, and the first player to hit a button takes the card. It'd be interesting to see what kinds of strategies develop.

I personally would be quite interested in trying out any of these skill-based games (especially any sort of PvP game where I might stand a decent chance of winning). I heard there are a couple of casinos in Atlantic City which offer some of them, and I've been wanting to go there sometime this summer.

Cockmaster
Feb 24, 2002

Imaduck posted:

I've also seen competitive racing games and pinball games in Vegas, in addition to the normal offerings. And I've seen more and more of these machines popping up, even though they seem under-utilized. I think casinos are learning they need to move in this direction to cater to younger audiences, even if they haven't figured out the perfect formula yet.

Is there any practical way to find out which casinos have these games? The casinos don't seem to be promoting them online.

Cockmaster
Feb 24, 2002

Untrustable posted:

Other than people chip swapping (betting low on tables, seeing you have a good hand, having your friend yell at another table to catch the dealer off guard, sliding a hundred dollar chip under your 25 dollar chip) I did catch people trying to cheat the player tracking system. Those little club cards that the casino could put free play on. The worst was this lady we caught with like 50 players club cards. She had been taking them from family members and such. She knew the password for every card. We ran back activity on the cards and she had been using the 5 dollar a month free play on every card for about 19 months. That's a pretty good amount of free play.

Catching people outright cheating is...uncommon. I probably caught more people stealing from the free drink stations than cheating cards or machines.

Some of the earliest experiments in wearable computers involved counting cards in blackjack and performing physics simulations on roulette balls. I don't suppose you've ever caught someone with something like that?

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