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Maine goon here. I don't know if you wrote an example like this on purpose, but it's apt:quote:For example, in a FPTP system with four candidates, imagine a result like follows: This is almost exactly what happened eight years ago here. Paul "Trump's First Prophet" LePage won with something like 32% because the liberals split between a weak Dem and a strong independent (about 7% pissed their votes away on fringe indies). So we had something like 32%R/31%I/30%D.  I've been active in the Ranked Choice Voting initiative in the state, and it's been a rough couple of years. The governor and the conservatives in the state legislature have done everything they can to kill the thing, and it's been hard to implement because doing so for every candidate in every election would require an amendment to the state constitution. The state superior court gave it the go ahead for use in primaries and in certain races in the general election. But the timeline has been a frustrating summary of the state of representative government in the US: 1) RCV passes by a Citizen's Initiative, 53/47 back in 2016 2) Maine Republicans sue to block the implementation of the Citizen's Initiative, but fail to do anything besides delay the implementation 3) Judges rule that a constitutional amendment would be necessary to apply RCV to all races, but that a version could be lawful if it excluded those races (Republicans appeal, naturally, and lose) 4) Legislative Republicans are compelled by the initiative to write a law, but attempt to stall and sabotage it in committee 5) Dems and moderate R's get a bill done despite that 6) Gov. LePage vetoes the bill 7) RCV organizers start yet another initiative, this time a Citizen's Veto of the Governor's action (that is Tuesday's vote, so a "yes" on Tuesday's question one will approve the veto of LePage's blocking of RCV, thereby making it law) JUST DO THE THING WE ALREADY LEGALLY COMPELLED YOU TO DO, FUCKWITS Of note: Maine has "Citizen's Initiatives" and "Citizen's Vetoes," which are legally compelling actions. Citizen's Initiatives either put a law into the hands of the governor to sign, or compel the legislature to write a law along certain parameters (RCV was the latter). Not all states have them, and conservatives here like to bitch that they "get in the way of good governance," which would be well and good if LePage and his allies hadn't literally shut the government down because they can't get out of their own loving way. It's been incredibly frustrating, but it's almost over. Question one's passage isn't a certainty, but it is slightly favored. The Republicans are fighting it with the sterling argument, "you're only mad because Paul LePage won." (Yes. Yes we are. 68% of us still are.) There is no organized opposition to the Citizen's Veto besides Republican candidates passively grumbling about it, which most of them are not keen to do. The smarter ones know a slight majority favors RCV, so they don't want to look like douchebags come November. ?So there's a lot of active support for it, and not a lot of opposition besides "it's a scam!" with no explanation as to why they think that. The bizarre thing is that we are using RCV for the first time on the primary candidates at the same time we are voting to keep it or not. The Secretary of State has held dry runs of it, and people's reaction to using it has been pretty dang positive, so I'm hopeful for Tuesday.
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Acolyte! posted:I'm not concerned about it. The governor has no say in certifying primaries, so they don't need him for the RCV results from this primary election. The governor has a constitutional obligation to proclaim the result of the referendum in ten days. If he doesn't, we have a genuine constitutional issue and the courts will have to make a decision - but the decision should be pretty easy. Was it a legitimate people's veto on the ballot? Yes. Did it pass? Yes. Is it literally required by the constitution for LePage to certify its passage? Yes. Yeah. This didn't surprise anyone in the state, since he has repeatedly refused to follow through on citizen's initiatives, bond bills, and all sorts of other popularly elected issues for seven years. We've had millions of dollars in matched federal money just sitting around doing nothing because he doesn't like the idea of spending money on roads. It's like he has a jealousy boner for every person or thing that gets more votes than he does (which is most of them). It's ironic that in refusing to certify the RCV results, he is creating a constitutional crisis by saying he is "protecting the state constitution." 
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Update: The initiative to veto the legislature's delay of RCV passed, 54/46.  http://www.wabi.tv/content/news/June-2018-election-results-485283001.html
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