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Ireland uses preferential voting but not IRV, STV is used instead where are multiple seats available in each constituency that are awarded to candidates who cross a quota ((votes/(available seats + 1)+1)) with the candidates with the lowest number of votes gradually eliminated in steps and their votes redistributed based on preference (and surplus votes for a given candidate who surpasses the quota also being redistributed down ticket). It's only v superficially related to IRV and yields drastically different results edit: IRV is used for presidential elections I guess but those are relatively unimportant compared to the lower house elections kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jun 11, 2018 |
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icantfindaname posted:
This is a weird criticism - the ruling party in Ireland you are referring to tried multiple times to abolish preferential voting and return to FPTP as even though they routinely captured between 45-50% of the vote to maintain power on several occasions they had to make deals with floating independents. And it's not like MMP doesn't have multimember districts.
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Trin Tragula posted:Where are you looking at for an MMP chamber with multi-member districts? All the implementations I'm familiar with use single-member districts. (Not that it couldn't be done easily enough...) Well any implementation that use regionally restricted areas to control the allocation of the top up seats - Wales for example or Germany to a degree since they locked the number of seats assignrf to each Lander pre-vote. Depends what you classify as a district I guess
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Trin Tragula posted:The German/Welsh regions absolutely aren't multi-member districts in the same way that Irish STV has multi-member constituencies, because in STV you vote for individuals, but the regional votes are for closed party lists and you can't vote for an individual like you can with STV or an open list. Oh no they are absolutely different - but this was an attack on the idea of multimember districts in the abstract (Japan using SNTV which I dont think anyone is particularly keen on) without any conditions for the particulars of the process. And the Bavarian state level implementation uses open lists and electoral areas (7 in total).
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icantfindaname posted:The multimember system allowed Fianna Fail to stay in office forever by hugging the center. Conservatives in the party wanted FPTP so they could have a true conservative party in a two-party system. Same with Japan except in Japan they succeeded. The right wing of the LDP had wanted FPTP for decades but it didn't happen until 1994. Likewise, centrist Dems want this because it will help them electorally This assume the centrism of Fianna Fail was a result of the electoral system which seems overly reductive and slightly tineared to the parties central desire to remain a catch all big tent party and general hostility to defining itself along conventional ideological lines (they refused to publish manifestos for the majority of the 20th century as this was deemed overly ideological) - they always sought to position themselves as being between the FG, proclaimed psuedo-nationalist middle class penny-pinchers, and Labour, too contaminated by this foreign socialist nonsense to really represent the interests of Labour. The second fptp referendum was brought by Lynch, generally remembered as one of the most centrist and thoroughly unideological leaders in FF's history who stuck to a rigid line of moderation.
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Communist Zombie posted:Are there any examples of 'anti-vote' options where you actively reject one or all of the candidates, other than 'none of the above' in Nevada, iirc? I'm especially interested if theres been any done in STV or similar voting methods. Well the Irish implementation of STV does not mandate voters to preference all available candidates, unlike Australian IRV, and requires only a minimum of one preference for a vote to be valid - voters can an do refuse to preference candidates they oppose and can design their ballots to preference all candidates in opposition to a single one (then you start getting into STV tactics which some people find a con of system, where you can front load your ballot with high preferences for candidates who will finish low on first count to maximize their chances of inching ahead of fringe candidates you dislike to ensure they are eliminated early - say the second candidate of a given party being eliminated before the first party candidate is elected and a life saving surplus transferred down ticket from loyal voters). It's not quite disagreement voting but candidates becoming "transfer toxic" and failing to secure tranches ahead of others is something that comes up on the reg
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