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Proud Rat Mom posted:Playing KODP and then reading about glorantha after only makes the 'ignorant' orlanthi lens everything is viewed through even more genius. One thing I loved in Six Ages is when you first encounter Orlanthi and just how loving obnoxious it is to deal with them as a non-Orlanthi group.
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Here's a question if Zistor was a big enough breach of the compromise to allow Orlanth to come kill it, why wasn't Nysalor as another incarnated god?
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Jun 19, 2020 22:19
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Nanomashoes posted:The prosopaedia just dropped, and it has finally ended the Elmal/Yelmalio debate for all time. I think Jeff mostly managed to kick the hornet's nest a few more times on the way there.
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Narsham posted:One thing I didn't like was identifying Gbaji explicitly as Nysalor and not Arkat. That's not wrong, exactly, but it's disappointing to think that it's right. Something tricky happened on the Heroplane when those two confronted each other and it's not clear whether the survivor of the confrontation was even the same being. Jeff generally seems very into having concrete answers for everything, which is one of the issues I have with the new Runequest. The other is that it feels like he wants everything to be like it was in the 80s as much as he can.
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Narsham posted:I was grumpy about the latest Runequest switching Lhankor Mhy's runes from Law and Truth to Truth and Stasis, but maybe it speaks to this broader understanding about how the facts operate in the world. The Lhankor Mhy thing bothered me to, but apparently those are the rune's he's always had in Runequest, while the Heroquest era stuff went with Law and Truth instead.
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Aug 26, 2023 20:01
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Honestly, I don't even think it's about Six Ages so much as just the fact that Yelmalio existed in the 80s when Jeff has his biggest nostalgia for Glorantha while Elmal didn't exist till later. Also honestly, Yelmalio's myth is actually pretty cool, it's too bad the Sun Domers are all so uncool though. Gorelab fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Sep 1, 2023 |
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Sep 1, 2023 06:40
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I think Jeff made things worse by also just tying himself into knots to justify it and just making it dumber. Especially when apparently all the Heroquest Elmal stuff is apparently wrong but also written to get to this point.
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Sep 1, 2023 07:25
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Also it feels weird that stronger magic would just make people want to leave their clans and tribes so fully.
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Sep 16, 2023 01:25
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Elmal's been fire and truth in everything he's been fully written up in too until RQG.
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Sep 16, 2023 02:31
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Looking it up: Elmal in Hero Wars just had a personal run which was a sun. This isn't that uncommon in Hero Wars and a lot of various gods have something like that, which can be seen in the entire Lunar book where literally every god just has a unique rune which powers are hanging off. In Heroquest and it's derivatives it's all Fire and Truth.
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Sep 16, 2023 06:21
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Also honestly, the idea that there can only have ever been one sun in all of mythology that no one can interpret differently feels wrong when there are hints that there may have been multiple Yelms and a War of Many Suns.
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Sep 19, 2023 18:18
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There were a couple of Imperial Handbooks, but they're earlier and written for what was Herowars before they changed to Heroquest.
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Sep 19, 2023 23:04
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That is a weird thing about RQ:G in particular, Jeff has this view that bigger cults are bigger because they're stronger rather than culturally prevalent, so they get everything while smaller cults have trouble even filling their niche. Like Aran Argar doesn't get trade magic because well that's Issaries thing even though he probably should have some but the biggest deal things like Spell Trading.
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Come to think of it how would being a member of the Little Sisters in the Seven Mothers even work in RQ:G? Though the cult is probably less interesting in RQ generally due to dropping stuff like kindling and choosing a specific mother as your main thing for a more generic cult. Gorelab fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Sep 21, 2023 |
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Sep 21, 2023 22:50
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I feel like it wouldn't be too hard to kinda wiggle Heroquest into something more grounded if you wanted to, but also at that point, you're fighting the system somewhat. Pendragon also feels like it found a better balance than Runequest did. It's still pretty heavy, and you can die fast but it feels like it kinda knows what it wants to do better.
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I don't think there even was a Chaosium RQ edition since Elmal was a thing until he reconned it back in RQ:G. It's still stupid because he was part of the heroquest supliments where Elmal totally had fire.
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