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Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





Goodbye Greg, you were one of the few people to ever live up to their potential, and a nice guy to boot.

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Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





They can also worship Maran Gor. They can't become a priest without getting castrated, but they can initiate into the cult no problem.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





Zorak Zoran is a fairly open cult, actually. According to my preview edition of Gods of Glorantha, "Dark trolls, great trolls, Mistress Race trolls, men, dragonnewts, beast men, and baboons are welcome to join this cult." Also the occasional exceptional trollkin. You just have to join one of their fighting companies and be good at smashing stuff.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





Yeah, water and movement. He's got a full writeup in the Sartar companion.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





Not yet, they're supposed to be in the GM guide but I haven't heard a status on when that book might come out in a while.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





It happens that Lovecraft's (unjustified, racist-tinged) vison of a hostile universe is actually fairly straightforward to fit in with the actual hostile universe that minorities face every day.

At least that was the approach Spivey took in Harlem Unbound, which grounds the mythos bullshit firmly in all the danger, oppression, and vitality of gilded age Harlem.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





Dalith is pretty good, Maran I can sort of get behind, a few others are decent, and the rest are boooring.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





There are! Black elves are fungal, blue eleves are algael.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





FMguru posted:

I remember one of the secretkeepers (Greg, Sandy, or Jeff - probably Sandy) saying that Zzabur really should be thought of on the same level as Orlanth or Yelm or Ernalda. He's a big fuckin' deal - not just a really high level wizzard, but an incarnation of a fundamental building block of existence.

I've always been partial to the theory that Zzabur isn't totally arrogant, it's rather that he's just accurately reporting what it's like to be the anthropic personification of the magic rune. He might literally have been involved in every act of magic in glorantha's history, just by nature of what he is. It'd be like if magnetism developed an ego and started taking credit for holding all that artwork to refrigerators.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





At this point the original nochet joke has gone from joke to actual literal prophesy.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





If you want just some undiluted setting lore I would recommend the Book of Heortling Mythology, which is strait up a rough collection of Orlanthi myths.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





They really missed an opportunity to place that mace so that the base haft was a bit more around the pelvic region, if you know what I mean.

Also, why a mace? Spears are like lodril 101.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





Runequests's high lethality doesn't mesh well with its involved characters creation, so maybe consider homebrewing something like Warhammer's fate points in to make the PCs less death-prone.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





It was kind of a bust, so no.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





The guy who designed Demon/Dark Souls listed the Dragon Pass board game as one of his top influences. Keeps a copy of it in his office and everything. It informed his style of environmental storytelling, apparently.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





I personally love Elmal and Yelmalio as an example of how the the gods – all gods – are weird, fundamentally unknowable entities that humans only every perceive tiny fragments of. Like elephants being described by blind men.

That being said, I don't like Yelmalio overtaking Elmal among the Orlanthi, largely because there's very little done to justify it from a narrative standpoint. A bunch of horse-loving, fire-welding, loyalty-valuing Orlanthi near-universally decide to abandon their identity to become a bunch of isolated mormon notSpartans? That's potentially an interesting story, reminiscent of fundamentalist movements IRL. But you're gonna need to sell me on it, which Chaosium hasn't.

I also have personal theory that Jeff Richards can't handle that Robin Laws is a much better writer of Glorantha than he is, and sidelines Elmal out of pure awkward provincialism.

Haystack fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Sep 1, 2023

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





Miyazaki is fairly consistent about citing Glorantha as an influence.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





Yeah, Runequest: Glorantha is kind of a whiff. Among other things, there's a real disconnect between how involved character creation is vs how easy it is to be one-shotted.


Spiderfist Island posted:

I have pretty concrete ideas of how to make a more accessible and stylistically appropriate system for Glorantha, but I don't have the cachet and I dunno if I'd ever be in a position to develop it.

Even if you're never gonna make it, I'd be interested in hearing your ideas.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





In real life, it's pretty obvious that Zeus and Jupiter are more or less the same god, and it's interesting studying that overlap. It's also fairly obvious that those gods are fictional, and that any academic attempts to declare them exactly the same paves over the lived reality of religion by taking a fictional premise too seriously. In Glorantha, by contrast, the gods are very real, with very direct, easy to observe effects on the world. You'd expect them, to be discreet entities, but, no, you can still do religious syncretism on them! That's a fascinating phenomenon, and the God Learners are very relatable for wanting to explore that and figure out the underlying principles. But God Learners are a parody of colonial anthropology, so it's poetic that they overreach, get too wrapped up in their theorycrafting, and get smacked down by both the people they exploited and very literal manifestations of the principles that they've misunderstood.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





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Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





Give Miyazaki the Glorantha IP rights.

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