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I also think 5 proved you couldn't get much more bloood out of the mgs story stone and I'm kinda glad Kojima left Konami in retrospect.
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why is every post itt la-li-lu-le-lo
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Al! posted:why is every post itt la-li-lu-le-lo See, Kojima got this bit wrong, it's not that we're going to have literal information filters that make the words "The Patriots" impossible to hear. It's just that someone will go "Oh, the Patriots? Fake News!"
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WampaLord posted:See, Kojima got this bit wrong, it's not that we're going to have literal information filters that make the words "The Patriots" impossible to hear.
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Zero will eventually become one Hideo Kojima doesn't understand math, or genetics, or just about anything really
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isn't there some quote by some lady describing how bad his writing is, like it wouldn't even get a second pass by a third-rate publishing company? that was good
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Nail Rat posted:Zero will eventually become one Kojima understands butts. 
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MeatwadIsGod posted:Kojima understands butts. He also understands regretting words and deeds
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Scent of Worf posted:I played the MGS5 intro where the guy shoots a flaming whale at you then I uninstalled the game. Anyway that's my experience with metal gear. a powerful self own.
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Scent of Worf posted:I played the MGS5 intro where the guy shoots a flaming whale at you then I uninstalled the game. Anyway that's my experience with metal gear. Why didn’t you play the first part of that game where you infiltrate Guantanamo bay and free the tortured prisoners Kojima is woke af https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JuR7jnO6Dk
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WampaLord posted:See, Kojima got this bit wrong, it's not that we're going to have literal information filters that make the words "The Patriots" impossible to hear.
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rudatron posted:Thats what the 'create context' means in the JD conversation in the op verrit dot com
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Kojima and Adam Curtis should do a collab so I can trip balls when watching it.
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Its important to remember that the human flaws that lead to Fake News (confirmation bias, rationalization, preference for validation seeking over falsification) aren't new, and have existed so long as people have. What is new is the ability for people of like minded people to aggregate, and form their own communities. The bifurcation and polarization of these communities, and the corresponding internal development of ideology, has intensified. The speed of the dialectical process has increased. It presents great risk, but also great opportunity. Ideologies can now manifest in a purer form then before, without being moderated by outside dependency. That this has lead to terrorist incels is to be expected. Inceldom is simply toxic masculinity taken to its logical conclusion. Its pure ideological form, without moderation or compromise. It is simply one of the first ideologies to be expressed this way. Others will follow. That's the opportunity, because that process has the potential for real radical emancipation.
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rudatron posted:la-li-lu-le-lo weird thread
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U've already done that joke
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rudatron posted:U've already done that joke Take your dumb rantings to the incel thread if you're gonna bitch about incels. There are no incels in Metal Gear, even Otacon fucks.
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There's got to be an incel in one of the newer games
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Its an example dude, one that matches the whole point of this thread - echo chambers. "No one is invalidated, but nobody is right".
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do i still need a ps3 to play all these legally
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WampaLord posted:There are no incels in Metal Gear Uhmmmm psycho mantis?
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glad she is dead posted:Uhmmmm psycho mantis? He is explicitly volcel He is also contrasted against Our Heroes, who Love rear end
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WampaLord posted:Take your dumb rantings to the incel thread if you're gonna bitch about incels. specifically: otacon fucks when cucking his dad, or else doesn't have Snake to tie up all his spare time in inscrutable 11th dimensional chess Patriots machinations. hideo kojima's self-insert character is a straight up Chad when he isn't cleaning up the sins of the previous generation. rudatron posted:Its an example dude, one that matches the whole point of this thread - echo chambers. "No one is invalidated, but nobody is right". your reading is definitely invalidated in the text, though. the deterioration of discourse is explicitly presented as malign, with no possibility for improvement short of annihilation of GW and the allowance of a relatively untrammeled human condition to take hold. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdmsPG-BfRw there is no opportunity in the text, here. it is a comprehensive case in favor of destruction. david hayter is trying what you're advocating and consistently brought short. so the plot as established in mgs4, while you're watching these commercials during the installation, is to take control of david hayter's simulacra and do what he fails to do. burn the whole loving thing down and end the character's arc. Willie Tomg has issued a correction as of 01:04 on Jun 20, 2018 |
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Willie Tomg posted:specifically: otacon fucks when cucking his dad, or else doesn't have Snake to tie up all his spare time in inscrutable 11th dimensional chess Patriots machinations. Hell yes I totally forgot about the super Oedipal backstory poo poo we get about that. Nail Rat posted:Zero will eventually become one This was the dumbest thing, making the comic relief radio team into the Illuminati
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Dongslayer. posted:do i still need a ps3 to play all these legally Yeah mgs4 is probably never going to get ported
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By the way I heavily recommend these videos about exploring the series more critically, I'm just gonna post the one for 2 though because 2 is the first one I played and stuck with me the most https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-2YuPGYabw
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Willie Tomg posted:specifically: otacon fucks when cucking his dad, or else doesn't have Snake to tie up all his spare time in inscrutable 11th dimensional chess Patriots machinations.
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rudatron posted:I'm disagreeing with the text, not doing a reading of it. this sentence is so insanely goddamned funny i can't believe its intentional
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We're not just doing a reading of mgs, were comparing it with the real world. While mgs 2 was ahead of its time, it's still a piece a fiction, that represents the beliefs of its authors, not reality. In particular, I claim that its thesis you outline, is wrong, and I explained why. You're free to disagree, but I don't understand why you're misinterpreting a commentary as a interpretation. It seems so basic a distinction.
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Hell, even Johnny Sasaki the diarrhea master fucks
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rudatron posted:We're not just doing a reading of mgs, were comparing it with the real world. In doing the latter as a part of interpretation you're necessarily performing the former. That you're unconscious of this process is half my disagreement. That you're incorrect is the other, lesser, half.
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if you're sitting on a wellspring of revolutionary liberatory humanism you feel won't be ruined to poo poo by posting it on a clearnet shitposting forum on somethingawful in the year 2018, now is the time. MGS is a profoundly pessimistic statement until every main character dies and lets the human race get on with living free from gamified and monetized conflicts enacted for increasingly tenuously self-reflexive reasons, so being wrong would be unambiguously good irl. its not wrong, though, its become if anything: more accurate. that's a problem, because that poo poo was batshit crazy when it came out and that shift represents in a material sense how predictably far we've fallen as a society. e; like you say "um actually these phenomena aren't new, they're just happening faster" and.... thats... the... literal... plot? like, that's the entire story arc presented from 1-4. that none of it is new, its just more hegemonic than ever because of technology so in 1965 maybe you had to be a german ghost to talk with the dead, but in 2020 you can be Just Some Security Guy and locked in a cranium full of ghosts and phantasms while your meatflesh performs warcrimes because that's how you make a living. but that's also the only way for small groups founded on personal relationships to stand in defiance to hegemony, is by leveraging that tech? like, you're talking about the themes of the games, and saying these themes aren't there. its confusing. Willie Tomg has issued a correction as of 02:45 on Jun 20, 2018 |
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the initial inspiration for MGS2's story was Napster demonstrating how arbitrary IP was as a general concept.
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You reason that my reading was invalidated because my commentary didn't match 100% with the books. But I was talking about reality, not fiction. That they don't match up was the point. Just own up to your mistake.
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your reading is invalidated because the particulars you mention as existing IRL as distinct from the games are very specifically core to the themes of the games themselves, and the things characteristic of the games which were farfetched in their contemporary period have become highly evocative in 2018, which gives the impression that you don't know what you're talking about. but are still posting. which is a particular pathology called out as sad and anti-human by the GW AI at the end of MGS2. lord, forgive.
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rudatron posted:Its important to remember that the human flaws that lead to Fake News (confirmation bias, rationalization, preference for validation seeking over falsification) aren't new, and have existed so long as people have. What is new is the ability for people of like minded people to aggregate, and form their own communities. The bifurcation and polarization of these communities, and the corresponding internal development of ideology, has intensified. The speed of the dialectical process has increased. It presents great risk, but also great opportunity. Ideologies can now manifest in a purer form then before, without being moderated by outside dependency. literally, LITERALLY this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rRA49RlP2g&t=76s
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the first time playing mgs2 i put in the name COCKGOBBLER on the first save station, not knowing i was utterly sabotaging a Highly Poignant Moment in the final cutscene of the game. it still seemed fitting, though. just like: why not, when everything else went nuts, would COCKGOBBLER not come back up, y'know? it's as good a name as any.
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The thing about ideas, is that they're always mediated by material existence. The fear that The Virtual replaces The Real is a liberal fear, because liberals conceive of history as being pushed forward by ideas, and therefore the nature of ideas and intellectual debate, is extremely important to them, see: decorum. But it's actually the other way around - people search for ideas to make sense of their immediate problems and concerns. The greater viciousness and open conflict, is a consequence of declining material conditions in the West. MGS has an idealist conception of history, so it's a liberal piece. This shouldn't surprise anyone, since it's made by a liberal. But, it's pessimism has become prescient, thanks to said material decline, and it still has important things to say. Militarism, confirmation bias, etc. It still has value. But it can't actually predict the future. The opportunity presented, is one of ideological development, through dialectic conflict. It's precisely by pushing forward ideologies to their logical conclusions, showing them for all to see, contradictions and all, putting them in conflict, and then resolving those contradictions, that progress can occur. Everything that has occured, and will occur, did not spring from nowhere, but developed from already existing ideological assumptions. Case in point: The right having orgasms over tearing children from mothers. Inside the right wing bubble, there is no problem. Their isolation from wider society is develop their xenophobia to its logical conclusion. Outside the bubble, it's horrifying & cruel. It's alienating. But the xenophobia always existed, it was simply hidden. Now, it is exposed. That is the process of ideological intensification - everything gets exposed.
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