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Jun 24, 2018 19:36
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 Gamerofthegame posted:what an unhype thread This is the Slow Thread, please go here for your hype and speedposting needs: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3861147
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Jun 24, 2018 19:41
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So did randomizer not go over well? There’s no SM race at the end either, just 100% map completion on Wednesday.
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Jun 24, 2018 20:09
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I'm sure it's more of a "don't wanna wear it out too fast" more than a "didn't go over well", when it comes to rando. They're doing OoT Bingo instead which is like a precursor of sorts to Zelda rando hacks.
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Jun 24, 2018 21:14
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There's an OOT rando now as well which I'm sure is going to show up in the winter GDQ
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Jun 24, 2018 21:33
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I'd imagine randomisers are also a lot less friendly to viewers unfamiliar with the game in question. It's hard enough for commentators to explain what's going on in a speedrun when they know precisely what happens next.
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Jun 24, 2018 21:35
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Feldegast42 posted:There's an OOT rando now as well which I'm sure is going to show up in the winter GDQ OoT Rando is really long, I'm not sure it's a great category for GDQ. And I really enjoy OoT Rando.
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Jun 24, 2018 21:35
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Yeah, please don't fret too much if you don't see certain "iconic" games or formats in a GDQ. Rest assured that if something takes off, it will make its way into a GDQ eventually. I wouldn't be surprised to see a FF4 Free Enterprise race in a future GDQ, or RPG Limit Break, for example.
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Jun 24, 2018 22:17
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$100k passed! 
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Jun 24, 2018 22:25
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Early rec for the Shantae and the Pirate's Curse race between JTNorimaki and TinaHacks
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Jun 24, 2018 23:05
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Would it be possible to add the estimated time for each run in the up next and on deck list on the stream?
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Jun 24, 2018 23:13
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I wonder if covertmuffin's stream is more low-key than his GDQ appearances. I can't imagine anyone keeping up that level of energy for more than two hours.
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Jun 24, 2018 23:32
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On a similar note to the randomizers. I'm sure they'll do this someday, but for now I'm sad to not see procedurally generated games at GDQ (Terraria and Minecraft). Obviously they have to be specially handled but if done right by the right players it could be an incredible showcase of skill as they react to what the map gives them. Show us a four-player race for Terraria or Minecraft. To control how long it takes and fight the randomness you just have to carefully select the task; "beating the game" is probably not the one you want. Maybe wait for everyone to beat the first Terraria boss or reach the Nether on different maps, not the same seed. The viewers can then focus on whichever player is interesting at the time, which will be naturally staggered out as one player gets a lucky draw and beats the challenge first while the players with a lovely boring map slowly get their poo poo together and become fun to watch by the end. The announcer can explain what each player is encountering and what they must be thinking. It's not impossible to make Terraria and Minecraft runs work, it just requires a little extra constraints and creativity. Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Jun 25, 2018 |
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Jun 24, 2018 23:58
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They did try doing a Binding of Isaac race and it was absolutely awful  Of course, they also decided to not use the same seed despite the game specifically having that feature built in.
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Jun 25, 2018 00:01
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Dumb Lowtax posted:On a similar note to the randomizers. I'm sure they'll do this someday, but for now I'm sad to not see procedurally generated games at GDQ (Terraria and Minecraft). Obviously they have to be specially handled but if done right by the right players it could be an incredible showcase of skill as they react to what the map gives them. They actually had Minecraft at a GDQ before, and I think it was received positively? I remember thinking it was good, anyway.
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Jun 25, 2018 00:02
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You could maybe use the same seed for everyone but then it gets weird; what if the one seed sucks and makes everyone grind, and also, what happens when a player discovers treasure somewhere? How do you keep the other players from finding out from the commotion and immediately diverting their route for it, or maybe you would actually want that? I can't remember any details from their showing Minecraft the other years so I'll watch it again. If they didn't make it a multi-player race they should have. I'm saying I hope they add Terraria and become a recurring part of GDQ and over time and repetition they refine their organizational skills at how to present a random game. Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Jun 25, 2018 |
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Jun 25, 2018 00:03
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Dumb Lowtax posted:You could maybe use the same seed for everyone but then it gets weird; what if the one seed sucks and makes everyone grind, and also, what happens when a player discovers treasure somewhere? How do you keep the other players from finding out from the commotion and immediately diverting their route for it, or maybe you would actually want that? Doing separate seeds of any randomized game will just never be interesting. The runner that got the best RNG won, big woop 
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Jun 25, 2018 00:07
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uhhhh what was the solution though?
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Jun 25, 2018 00:08
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I'm watching the newest Minecraft run and they had one single guy playing, no race, and he was using a set seed he already knew by heart. That is so boring. Maybe it's interesting to see the map itself and how hosed up and weird it must be to place all the items you need so close to the beginning, but the skill of finding that map isn't shown to the audience, we only see one guy mechanically going through it with no surprises at all. I want surprises. Race and give them all a random seed, maybe the same or not, there's reasons for either way but it must be random to deliver interesting surprises. It creates suspense and tension for the audience and they would be way more into each moment. You don't hear the audience reacting at all during that guy's boring mechanical run through a Minecraft map he had already explored and couldn't fail at. That's because they're asleep.
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Jun 25, 2018 00:14
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Dumb Lowtax posted:uhhhh what was the solution though? but presumably these people aren't playing on the same screen, so literally just rotate them and you solved the "problem" of screen-peeking. Also for christ's sake this is for charity, just don't screen-peek. Dumb Lowtax posted:it must be random to deliver interesting surprises..
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Jun 25, 2018 00:16
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Like I said, I thought it was a good run. Then again, my expectations were probably pretty absurdly low. 
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Jun 25, 2018 00:18
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Your Computer posted:a piece of cardboard Presumably the players can hear the announcer and talk back to them. And they'd go "wait what? so-and-so has what already? and probably found it where?" and now they have to act upon it, it's kind of a weird situation. Maybe good, maybe not, maybe needs special adjustments. \/\/ Yeah that could be one way to solve it but now the players can't really converse with the audience anymore unless they're maybe unknowingly talking over the announcer who's saying something at the same time
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Jun 25, 2018 00:24
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Presumably the players can hear the announcer and talk back to them. And they'd go "wait what? so-and-so has what already? and probably found it where?" and now they have to act upon it, it's kind of a weird situation Noise cancelling headphones exist.
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Jun 25, 2018 00:25
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Presumably the players can hear the announcer and talk back to them. And they'd go "wait what? so-and-so has what already? and probably found it where?" and now they have to act upon it, it's kind of a weird situation. Maybe good, maybe not, maybe needs special adjustments. 
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Jun 25, 2018 00:26
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There are good reasons why Isaac Races are typically run seedless, but none of them apply to a marathon showcase setting at all.
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Jun 25, 2018 00:26
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Dumb Lowtax posted:I'm watching the newest Minecraft run and they had one single guy playing, no race, and he was using a set seed he already knew by heart. That is so boring. Maybe it's interesting to see the map itself and how hosed up and weird it must be to place all the items you need so close to the beginning, but the skill of finding that map isn't shown to the audience, we only see one guy mechanically going through it with no surprises at all. You might be interested in the Mario Maker blind race on the final day.
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Jun 25, 2018 00:34
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OOOOhhh yes you bet I am, I fell in love last time they did it already, thanks for recommending it though
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Jun 25, 2018 00:36
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Been at work all day, any good runs I miss so far?
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Jun 25, 2018 00:39
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 Rirse posted:Been at work all day, any good runs I miss so far? They're all been quite good, actually.
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Jun 25, 2018 00:44
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Pretend I posted this. I didn't realize there was a slow thread.
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Jun 25, 2018 00:45
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DaveKap posted:Pretend I posted this. I didn't realize there was a slow thread.  I'm pulling good images from the chat thread as we go and putting them in here. Everyone should do so!
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Jun 25, 2018 01:04
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Jun 25, 2018 01:04
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oldskool posted:Early rec for the Shantae and the Pirate's Curse race between JTNorimaki and TinaHacks Rirse posted:Been at work all day, any good runs I miss so far? This. Great race, neat little game.
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Jun 25, 2018 01:28
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Majora's Mask hasn't wrapped yet but this run is fantastic, really cool tricks and the time is just flying by. After the first 20 minutes of cutscenes.
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Jun 25, 2018 01:38
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McFrugal posted:That can't be right. The any% no rng manipulation world record is over 5 hours. DW Randomizer rebalances stuff using the SNES/GBA remake values, so there's a lot less time spent grinding (though still a fair amount, depending on the seed) and more time frantically searching the map for the one cave you haven't found. A run takes between 90-120 minutes usually, depending on how bad the starting area is and how the stats are spread across the levelups. As much as I love watching people race it, it's not something I think would be good at a GDQ.
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Jun 25, 2018 03:27
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I think he looks forward to GDQs so he can ham it up in front of the camera.
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Jun 25, 2018 03:31
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they cut the doom run out before the final cutscene so we didn't get to watch doomguy kill capitalism 
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Jun 25, 2018 03:32
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Yeah, Doctors Without Borders is a pro-NATO NGO, makes sense.
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Jun 25, 2018 03:38
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Thanks to forums moderator VideoGames for stickying the threads!
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Jun 25, 2018 09:40
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Kid Kool was fast and fun with a good commentary. (and a special incentive added by Brossentia)
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