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Wrar
Sep 9, 2002


Soiled Meat
No reason you couldn't do a semi custom pan and a LS attached to a GT-R gearbox?

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Kaptainballistik
Nov 2, 2005

Why ask me ? I cant understand me either!
Your sumpguard was hitting the sump, or you had enough rocks and dirt wedged between to make it hit.

And that’s how you spin a bearing.... unfortunately.

mekilljoydammit
Jan 28, 2016

Me have motors that scream to 10,000rpm. Me have more cars than Pick and Pull

Wrar posted:

No reason you couldn't do a semi custom pan and a LS attached to a GT-R gearbox?

You totally could. Or push the engine back farther still and just put the halfshafts for the front diff in front of the engine entirely.

I doubt it'd fit in a Subaru without a shitload of cutting though.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Wrar posted:

No reason you couldn't do a semi custom pan and a LS attached to a GT-R gearbox?

It wont be semi custom. The GTR pan is a one piece large alloy casting that wont fit in any way - Cut n shut wont work.

Kaptainballistik posted:

Your sumpguard was hitting the sump, or you had enough rocks and dirt wedged between to make it hit.

And that’s how you spin a bearing.... unfortunately.

Yeeeeep.

daslog
Dec 10, 2008

#essereFerrari

i own every Bionicle posted:

N/A EZ30

I just realized you are located really close to me. I have an EJ255 shortblock with good compression (but highish mileage) if you are interested in a hybrid build, because to me it sounds like you are really excited about doing this all over again :v:

Thanks, but the car is getting sold as is or parted out. Never again. I hope to do an air cooled beetle someday, but I'm done with this poo poo.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Wrar posted:

No reason you couldn't do a semi custom pan and a LS attached to a GT-R gearbox?

Granted, no idea if it would clear, but GM has done the engine-mounted differential on the GMT360 platform. The axle shaft passes through a machined boss in the pan.

Kaptainballistik
Nov 2, 2005

Why ask me ? I cant understand me either!

IOwnCalculus posted:

Granted, no idea if it would clear, but GM has done the engine-mounted differential on the GMT360 platform. The axle shaft passes through a machined boss in the pan.

It’s a slimline front diff, not overly strong. The GTR uses an inverted short nose R160. The fun comes in for a RHD vehicle. The Escort Cosworth only has the 8 inch diff for LHD use as the diff gets in the way of the Steering rack.

Adiabatic
Nov 18, 2007

What have you assholes done now?

daslog posted:

Never again.

My sentiments exactly when I sold the Gorester to Wrar (sorry Wrar)

Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



Kaptainballistik posted:

Your sumpguard was hitting the sump, or you had enough rocks and dirt wedged between to make it hit.

And that’s how you spin a bearing.... unfortunately.

As someone who's not too well versed in spun bearings, what's the exact cause of failure in that scenario? The impulses on the motor? The oil pickup is shaped to prevent being blocked even if it bottoms out on the sump no? There would be noticeable deformation on the pickup if it did impact the bottom, wouldn't there?

Phone posting so maybe it's clearer in pictures on a bigger screen. I'm curious to learn.

Kaptainballistik
Nov 2, 2005

Why ask me ? I cant understand me either!

Bajaha posted:

As someone who's not too well versed in spun bearings, what's the exact cause of failure in that scenario? The impulses on the motor? The oil pickup is shaped to prevent being blocked even if it bottoms out on the sump no? There would be noticeable deformation on the pickup if it did impact the bottom, wouldn't there?

Phone posting so maybe it's clearer in pictures on a bigger screen. I'm curious to learn.

Vibration, and not your solid engine mount variety! (Solid engine mounts foam oil). Believe it or not the relatively small “taps” over thousands of cycles a min will break down the oil film. Think of it as pinging...

Welcome to the world of race cars... where all the CAD in the world cannot allow for suspension arms flexing during operation and rods flexing when you rev the car.

It’s an easy fix... 5-10 mm clearance to sump, small piece of foam around the leading edge to stop small rocks bouncing in. Also make sure the front turbo pipe has enough clearance. We get small pieces of asphalt gravel (3-5 mm size) stuck over the intake manifold and upper block whenever we have a “tar” stage.

Yes, it’s that bad in a Rallycar engine bay.

Kaptainballistik fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Jul 11, 2018

Pomp and Circumcized
Dec 23, 2006

If there's one thing I love more than GruntKilla420, it's the Queen! Also bacon.
Well, after reading this thread, im gonna go ahead and not buy a Subaru in the future.

As for the V8 swap, this is not Automotive Sensibility....

Terrible Robot
Jul 2, 2010

FRIED CHICKEN
Slippery Tilde
gently caress Subaru.

Completely garbage vehicles with a cult following of people addled by severe Stockholm Syndrome.

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

Terrible Robot posted:

gently caress Subaru.

Completely garbage vehicles with a cult following of people addled by severe Stockholm Syndrome.

I'm scared of my own car and it's under warranty with no mods.

Wrar
Sep 9, 2002


Soiled Meat
OTOH I beat the poo poo out of a WRX/Saabaru from 38k to 140k miles and the only things that broke were the AC in the last 3k miles.

Fo3
Feb 14, 2004

RAAAAARGH!!!! GIFT CARDS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!!!!

(I need a hug)

Wrar posted:

OTOH I beat the poo poo out of a WRX/Saabaru from 38k to 140k miles and the only things that broke were the AC in the last 3k miles.

Yeah and I had one reliable rotary and my bmw hardly ever goes wrong and is cheap to fix.

Kaptainballistik
Nov 2, 2005

Why ask me ? I cant understand me either!
In a far away land, a Small red light flashes...

RADL alert level goes to 4.......

Bajaha
Apr 1, 2011

BajaHAHAHA.



Thanks Kaptainballistik, that's neat to learn, I didn't realize the impulse from a minor hit like that would be enough to cause metal parts to break through the oil film. Indirect movements from hitting a hole or obstacle wouldn't have the same issue as the elasticity of the motor mounts would mean the rotating assembly would see a more gentle bump, at least in terms of impulse if I'm understanding correctly.

Is there anything about the EJ's that make them particularly susceptible to this or is it just a race car thing and you have to take steps to prevent it no matter what your driving?

I didn't know about the solid motor mount issue, does it come up with stiffer mounts as well or just in the case of fully solid, no rubber, style mounts. They would be more likely to cause a spun bearing too wouldn't it?

Kaptainballistik
Nov 2, 2005

Why ask me ? I cant understand me either!
It’s all motors that are suceptable to the issue.

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

The boxer engine was a mistake.

i own every Bionicle
Oct 23, 2005

cstm ttle? kthxbye
On one hand Subaru’s offered the most fun in a practical, affordable vehicle you can get. The approach of using the boxer engine to solve the nose heavy problem of a true 4WD layout is very clever. And they have a real AWD system without the bias and sacrifice of a transverse layout like pretty much everything else in their price class. For me, just driving my regular Impreza on a loose surface and left foot braking to get it to rotate on turn in then driving through the slide is incredibly fun and I don’t really know anywhere else to get that experience in a practical car.

But then every thing that goes into a Subaru is flawed in some way. Older cars had awful body coating and are all rusted to poo poo at this point. It’s not too expensive to build a motor but the same amount of money can easily make a different one far more reliable and powerful. And their most used engine had easily remedied head gasket issues that they just didn’t address for what, 12 years?

And they are doing away with any practical fun cars.

mekilljoydammit
Jan 28, 2016

Me have motors that scream to 10,000rpm. Me have more cars than Pick and Pull
I was down to "WRX" or "Evo" for a fun vaguely practical DD with AWD, and I didn't have Evo money.

I'd reconsider, except by this point I know what Subaru did wrong, and I don't know what Mitsubishi did wrong.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

mekilljoydammit posted:


I'd reconsider, except by this point I know what Subaru did wrong, and I don't know what Mitsubishi did wrong.

Mitsubitsi did a lot wrong!

ECU's that blow caps too early, manifolds that crack, suspensions that fail, interesting areas for rust to appear, dodgy electricals.....

Plus it's not like a lot of our cars are exactly new anymore. My oldest WRX is 23 years old and my youngest is 12 years. My daily is 19 years old.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



i own every Bionicle posted:

On one hand Subaru’s offered the most fun in a practical, affordable vehicle you can get. The approach of using the boxer engine to solve the nose heavy problem of a true 4WD layout is very clever. And they have a real AWD system without the bias and sacrifice of a transverse layout like pretty much everything else in their price class. For me, just driving my regular Impreza on a loose surface and left foot braking to get it to rotate on turn in then driving through the slide is incredibly fun and I don’t really know anywhere else to get that experience in a practical car.

But then every thing that goes into a Subaru is flawed in some way. Older cars had awful body coating and are all rusted to poo poo at this point. It’s not too expensive to build a motor but the same amount of money can easily make a different one far more reliable and powerful. And their most used engine had easily remedied head gasket issues that they just didn’t address for what, 12 years?

And they are doing away with any practical fun cars.

This is why Colorado is good. No salt, no humidity, no rust.

I think a prior owner also put some sort of aftermarket coating on the underbody, but you barely see any rusty Subarus around here anyway.

mekilljoydammit
Jan 28, 2016

Me have motors that scream to 10,000rpm. Me have more cars than Pick and Pull

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

Mitsubitsi did a lot wrong!

Oh, I never doubted! And I'm getting close to fixing the USDM specific shortcomings plus age related stuff (mine's 15) and so on and so forth... I just wonder what I'd have been fixing instead if I got an Evo. Possibly more rust... though I'm really starting to think I should track down alloy control arms before winter. And wire brush and spray sealant on stuff.

Should be fun once it's rolling again though.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

I can't speak for "real" evos (7-9) but the 4B11T in my 10 has a timing chain that is a consumption item and an oil squirter that gets consumed with it if you don't change it before they collide :v:

daslog
Dec 10, 2008

#essereFerrari
A guy is coming tonight to by the WRX shell. An actual conversation I had with my wife.

i own every Bionicle
Oct 23, 2005

cstm ttle? kthxbye
That was a great deal for a track/beater car, hopefully the guy puts it to good use. Did you sell off the turbo and other stuff yet? I was tempted to do a hybrid build from it myself but decided I want my track car if I get one to be NA RWD. like a beetle

daslog
Dec 10, 2008

#essereFerrari

i own every Bionicle posted:

That was a great deal for a track/beater car, hopefully the guy puts it to good use. Did you sell off the turbo and other stuff yet? I was tempted to do a hybrid build from it myself but decided I want my track car if I get one to be NA RWD. like a beetle

Not yet. Just listed it yesterday on NASIOC and I'll start ebaying them after the car is gone.

Ardemia
Jan 2, 2004

IT IS MY RIGHT TO GET BEHIND THE WHEEL WHEN I'VE PUT BACK SIX SHIRLEY TEMPLES OK

:patriot:
If you want to update that Google doc after the sale with what parts you have left to get rid of I'd like to see it, because I might be interested in some parts for my 02 wagon.

EDIT: are the items in yellow the ones you have left to get rid of?

daslog
Dec 10, 2008

#essereFerrari

Ardemia posted:

If you want to update that Google doc after the sale with what parts you have left to get rid of I'd like to see it, because I might be interested in some parts for my 02 wagon.

EDIT: are the items in yellow the ones you have left to get rid of?

I updated the spreadsheet to reflect what I have left. My NASIOC ad.
https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2879045


I feel kind of dirty for linking NASIOC.With luck the shell will be gone in an hour.

daslog fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jul 13, 2018

daslog
Dec 10, 2008

#essereFerrari
And the WRX is gone! On to newer and better projects

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



EZ30 in an Outback Sport.

Fermented Tinal
Aug 25, 2005

by Pragmatica
Whatever it is, it has to be absolutely blasphemous and somewhat ill-advised, like, idk, a 3UZ in a C6.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



B16 in an XJ?

Wrar
Sep 9, 2002


Soiled Meat
Danger Ranger. There is a guy who runs one at Sand Blast.

McTinkerson
Jul 5, 2007

Dreaming of Shock Diamonds


4B11 into a Dodge Rampage?

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

Plus it's not like a lot of our cars are exactly new anymore. My oldest WRX is 23 years old and my youngest is 12 years. My daily is 19 years old.

What happened to the Levorg?

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

STR posted:

What happened to the Levorg?

It's not the daily driver

daslog
Dec 10, 2008

#essereFerrari
I sold the WRX last week minus the mods, which I have been parting out.

Today, a trailer appeared.

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Kaptainballistik
Nov 2, 2005

Why ask me ? I cant understand me either!
To be a vulture... do you still have the killer B oil pickup? 😂😁

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