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Slavic Crime Yacht posted:

The sky goal being:
I want Congress to repeal the SBP-DIC offset
and the realistic goal being:
About $1200 a month until I die or remarry

Well, uh... yeah, those two are actually the same thing.

So this whole thread came about because I was bitching in Discord about one of my senators' staff being pretty terrible. I'm sure you're all already familiar with how I got hosed previously, but this is really about how I and every other war widow(er) in the United States are getting hosed over.

So here's the story:

As the surviving spouse of a service member who died in the line of duty, I'm entitled to a DOD benefit called the Survivor Benefit Plan (SBP). SBP is primarily for the surviving spouse of a retiree, the idea being is that the retiree buys into it so their spouse can keep getting their retirement after they pass. SBP is granted automatically when a service member dies LOD. It's based on how much the retiree was making or, in the case of an LOD death, how much their retirement would have been worth at the time they died.

I'm also entitled to a VA benefit called Dependency and Indemnity Compensation (DIC). DIC is primarily for the surviving spouse of a veteran who dies of a service connected condition and is also granted automatically when a service member dies LOD.

DIC is non-taxable, SBP is taxable. When a surviving spouse is eligible for both, every dollar of DIC received is deducted from their SBP benefit. In a lot of cases, DIC is larger than SBP.

In 2008 Congress agreed that this was bullshit and authorized the Special Spouse Indemnity Allowance (SSIA). The initial amount was $50 per month (lol get hosed), increasing gradually until it reached its cap of $275 a month. SSIA was designed to expire at the end of FY 2017 because it was a stop-gap measure designed to give surviving spouses SOMETHING while still giving time for Congress to find a way to get rid of the SBP-DIC offset permanently.

The 2018 NDAA raised SSIA to $310 a month, said it get an annual cost of living increase, and made it permanent. In the aftermath of this, a number of veterans and Gold Star organizations started getting told that Congress now considered the SBP-DIC offset issue fixed.

gently caress that.

I've been trying to get my congressfuckers to act on this. Just before Memorial Day, I wrote a pleading message to each asking them to push for a repeal in lieu of issuing Memorial Day platitudes.

One of my senators told me that a bill to get rid of the offset was in committee and there's nothing she can do for now (because United States Senators can't raise public awareness of issues when bills are in committee, apparently).

The other senator sent me a form letter thanking me for my interest in the 2019 NDAA. I have some contacts in his office that I used to say "hey, this is a bullshit answer what gives" and I received an email in response that basically said "not loving over war widows is really expensive and we need to be mindful of spending." Given that they sent me that email on what would have been my fourth wedding anniversary, I got pissed and wrote back saying "wrong answer, I'm now going to be a thorn in your side until I hear directly from the senator on this."

My congressman has yet to respond. Fucker.

At the recommendation of you fuckers in Discord, I wrote a short version of this to my local paper. Let's see what happens there.

Oh, and lol at this bullshit:



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gently caress you, McNally, where's my t-shirt?

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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

What’s the status of this bill? Has it passed the House? Is it in committee there? You’ve basically got till the end of the year to get it voted on. If might be better to lobby for it when the new Congress is seated in January.

Don’t get me wrong I’m all for shaming Congress into doing their jobs but there’s some logistical hurdles to clear.

House and Senate both introduce a bill to get rid of the offset at the beginning of every Congress for the past decade.

They always die in committee.

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For now, start contacting your congresscritters on the issue.

Not sure what phase 2 is yet, but I'm sure we'll get there.

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The House bill is H.R. 846 and the Senate bill is S. 339

Also the senator who responded back with "the bill is in committee" mentioned S. 1990 which, unless I'm reading it wrong, doesn't actually eliminate the offset. So good job, dipshits.

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McNally posted:

The House bill is H.R. 846 and the Senate bill is S. 339

Also the senator who responded back with "the bill is in committee" mentioned S. 1990 which, unless I'm reading it wrong, doesn't actually eliminate the offset. So good job, dipshits.

Yeah, I went back and read the e-mail I got from the senator and it's absolutely clear that this is a form letter that has nothing at all to do with what I was talking about.

S. 1990 is about increasing the amount of DIC compensation. Which is nice, sure, but that's an issue separate from the offset (not everyone eligible for one is eligible for the other).

Goddamnit, I'm pissed all over again now.

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Nostalgia4Butts posted:

We got a form letter we can mail out?

I'll write one. I'll even try to keep the gently caress yous to a minimum.

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McNally posted:

I'll write one. I'll even try to keep the gently caress yous to a minimum.

quote:

Dear useless legislator:

I wish to bring to your attention the injustice that is the offset that exists between the Dependency and Indemnity Compensation (DIC) of the Department of Veterans Affairs and the Survivor Benefit Plan (SBP) of the Department of Defense. Both plans provide survivor benefits to the Gold Star spouses of all service members who die in the line of duty. However, the United States sees fit to deduct every dollar of DIC received from the SBP of every surviving spouse who are eligible for both benefits.

In 2008, recognizing the injustice of the situation, Congress authorized a temporary measure known as the Special Survivor Indemnity Allowance (SSIA). SSIA was meant to provide surviving spouses some compensation for the SBP-DIC offset while giving Congress time to find a way to permanently eliminate the offset. Instead, the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act made the SSIA permanent.

The United States owes it to the surviving spouses of those who gave their lives in the service of this nation to eliminate this offset.

Get hosed,

Your Name

Feel free to clean this up as you need to. I'm still fuming a little.

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Seekhay posted:

The fact that you haven’t set fire to Congress is a testament to your level of self control and character.

It helps that I'm inherently lazy.

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Wasabi the J posted:

Can we get a script? I'm really bad at understanding how to say this in a quick phone call to my reps

Is (Congressfucker/Senatefucker So-and-so) aware that the government is making war widows pay the cost of their own survivor benefits?

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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

Do I get my T-shirt faster if I write my Congress critter? ;)

You won't not get your t-shirt faster.

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I decided to reach out to the Gary Sinise Foundation to see if they'll give any kind of a poo poo.

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I posted on Gary Sinise's Facebook page. Probably won't get his attention but I did get likes and stuff from other people. Y'know, getting the word out there.

And then there's this rear end in a top hat.



gently caress this guy.

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I just got a phone call from someone from the senator who sent me an email about the wrong bill.

Turns out that the bill they told me about is designed to just raise DIC by an amount that most people's offsets would be gone anyway, like a backdoor repeal of the offset. He apologized that neither their email nor the bill itself made it clearer that that was the intent.

He also explained that the biggest hurdle to eliminating the offset is that nobody really agrees with how to get rid of it: Do we attack it from the VA side, the DOD side, or scrap it all and start over?

Basically it's just Congress inaction in action.

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Viva Miriya posted:

Anyone live in the Colorado 6th - McNally

Mike Coffman of the Colorado's 6th District is the chairman of the House Armed Services subcommittee for Military Personnel. H.R. 846, a bill to repeal the SBP-DIC offset, has been sitting in that subcommittee since February 2017.

H.R. 846 has 269 cosponsors. That's 60% of the House of Representatives.

60% of the House has cosigned this bill yet it's still in committee.

Tomorrow I'm going to ask him why. I think we all should.

DC office - 202.225.7882

District office - 720.748.7514

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McNally posted:

Mike Coffman of the Colorado's 6th District is the chairman of the House Armed Services subcommittee for Military Personnel. H.R. 846, a bill to repeal the SBP-DIC offset, has been sitting in that subcommittee since February 2017.

H.R. 846 has 269 cosponsors. That's 60% of the House of Representatives.

60% of the House has cosigned this bill yet it's still in committee.

Tomorrow I'm going to ask him why. I think we all should.

DC office - 202.225.7882

District office - 720.748.7514

A summary of the conversation:

"It hasn't been voted on yet."
"Why?"
"Because it hasn't. Do you live in this district?"
"No, but I've been trying to get a response from my congressman on this issue for two months."
"Keep trying."

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POOL IS CLOSED posted:

No one wants to talk about the scheduling for voting on it.

Nobody wants to actually vote for it. Cosponsoring bills is a great way to say "I support..." without the burden of actually having to support it.

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I had earlier mentioned getting an email from my other senator, the one I hadn't had two years worth of back and forth with, in response to my "hey make this issue a priority" email I sent on Memorial Day.

I received an email about S.1990, a bill to increase the amount of the VA survivor benefit.

I responded back with "this isn't what I'm talking about." I later got a phone call from a staffer who explained that the intent of the bill is to increase the VA compensation as kind of a backdoor around repealing the offset.

I looked up the details of the bill and hahaha nope.

The intent of the bill is to make military survivor benefits more similar to federal employee survivor benefits. Apparently I'd be getting a bigger check every month if my wife had been, say, an FBI agent killed in the line of duty or a Department of Agriculture employee who was crushed by a cow or whatever.

S. 1990 wants to change the language of the Dependency Indemnity Compensation to be 55% of what a 100% disabled veteran receives. That's about another $300 or so dollars.

So between that (which, let's be real, is not going to happen) and the $315 I'm getting from DOD as the special allowance aimed at recognizing the offset is crap to begin with would bring me to somewhere around half of what I'd be getting if they repealed the offset.

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madeintaipei posted:

I do not mean to make light of anything here but if McNally isn't a Nightingale, he sure is a canary.

The particular neglect of humanity he is dealing with is a running theme throughout history. The only way it ever changes, even temporarily, is by fighting against it.

The way I see it is this: We all know nobody actually gives a gently caress about ARE TROOPS. It follows that nobody gives a gently caress about the widow of the guy who died fighting for ARE FREEDOMS.

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Grem posted:

I'm in the 6th District. Honestly man I'm super busy this time of year, here's what I'm planning on saying tomorrow sorry if it's way too boiled down.

The SBP-DIC offset makes survivors pay their own benefits, get your rear end in gear on that subcommittee and pass it wtf is wrong with you?

That's about what I wanted to say, but they didn't want to hear from me because I don't live in his district.

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Grem posted:

Word, I'll go with that then.

e: I called too late in the day for the DC office, I guess. District office referred me to the DC office, I'll try again tomorrow.

E2: price tag, holy poo poo....basically they need to find an offset for the money. They said I'd get a direct response if I e-mailed them. McNally you want to do a little e-mail blurb for me?

Eh, something about "Congress just authorized a DOD budget of $717 billion dollars, quit nickel and diming when it comes to taking care of those left behind when the people you send to war die."

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gently caress it

https://www.gofundme.com/help-mcnally-get-tough-cookies

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madeintaipei posted:

Dude, you already have enough to buy a pack of premium Pepperidge cookies.

Pepperidge Farm remembers, America... forgets.

I will totally send you some stale cookies, if you want.

You're right, I should adjust the goal.

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Godholio posted:

Let's make this poo poo go viral.

lol should I change the url first?

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I get the best replies.

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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:

Do we have a form letter we can send or something so it looks concerted? Dick Durbin is a useless turd but something tells me Tammy Duckworth might be a little more keen to listen.

quote:

Dear useless legislator:

I wish to bring to your attention the injustice that is the offset that exists between the Dependency and Indemnity Compensation (DIC) of the Department of Veterans Affairs and the Survivor Benefit Plan (SBP) of the Department of Defense. Both plans provide survivor benefits to the Gold Star spouses of all service members who die in the line of duty. However, the United States sees fit to deduct every dollar of DIC received from the SBP of every surviving spouse who are eligible for both benefits.

In 2008, recognizing the injustice of the situation, Congress authorized a temporary measure known as the Special Survivor Indemnity Allowance (SSIA). SSIA was meant to provide surviving spouses some compensation for the SBP-DIC offset while giving Congress time to find a way to permanently eliminate the offset. Instead, the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act made the SSIA permanent.

The United States owes it to the surviving spouses of those who gave their lives in the service of this nation to eliminate this offset.

Get hosed,

Your Name

Clean it up as needed.

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Grem posted:

Emailed Coffman. Should note he's a fantastic turd so I'm not expecting anything.

If we're not pointing out that the federal budget is like 4.4 trillion dollars, so whats another ten billion then I don't know what we're doing.

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Liquid Communism posted:

Well, I got the canned response, but it's at least topical.

Things to ask:

Since you're a member of this committee, why has it been just sitting in committee since February 2017? Especially considering 50% of the Senate cosponsored the bill.

Why are you leaving out the fact that the SSIA is funded by Tricare fees, which surviving spouses also pay?

Why are you leaving out the fact that the SSIA was never meant to be permanent and was, in fact, intended as a temporary band-aid while Congress was supposed to be working on a permanent end to the offset?

Also thanks for reiterating what we already know.

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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:

Alright I sent mine off to Duckworth and Quigley. Quigley didn't even have the "Veterans" option in the dropdown for his issues so I'm not real hopeful but I will report back if either of them sends me more than an "eat poo poo" form letter.

This isn't really a veterans issue, but lol anyway.

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Grem posted:

Hey Mike Coffman wrote me back!


loving for real

Jesus, at least when my congressfucker brushed me off, he did it with a paper letter that was longer than that. It said roughly the same thing, but still.

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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:

Well Tammy got back to me. The relevant text:


I don't really know what to do with that but at least she doesn't suck straight away?

This email is full of poo poo. The 2018 NDAA didn't eliminate the offset, it made the SSIA permanent.

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Syrian Lannister posted:

gently caress it. McNally just run for office change from the inside

Can't I just raise funds without having to run for office?

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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

There’s always money in t-shirts.

My CafePress says otherwise.

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I've been scanning letters and documents for Stars and Stripes and holy gently caress this poo poo's been flooding back.

Like how the Army investigation and CID reports both claim the MPs just hosed off, but the MP report has information they couldn't have gotten if that were true. Also there were MPs at the hospital when I arrived (which jives with the MP report).

I threw away the CID report in disgust, so I'm probably going to have to get another one.

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THE SAGA CONTINUES?!

I got this email in the mail yesterday. Well, technically I was CC'd on this email.

quote:

CLASSIFICATION: UNCLASSIFIED

KNO CAC,

Requesting SBP packet information for Firstname MI McNally.

The Spouse of SGT McNally's Wife, DCIPS case #(blah blah).

His last known address has her in your area:
(my current address, phone number, and email address)

Transferred from CAR CAC on or about 01 Mar. 2016.

To date, one SBP packet has been filed with this office dated 08 Jan 2016.
The Line of Duty investigation for this case is complete.

Please provide us with a new SBP packet or verification that the Spouse will
not be filing SBP.
Once received this case can be forwarded for review/submission to DFAS.

Note: According to DCIPS NOK remarks; Mr. McNally declined the appointment
of a new CAO so there is no CAO/SOS coordinator listed as Active.

Thank you for your attention.

Some Dude
Casualty and Mortuary Affairs Assistant

So I was a little concerned. I hit Reply All and wrote back.

quote:

What is the nature of this request for information? Is there something I should be aware of?


Thanks,

McNally

I received this response today:

quote:

CLASSIFICATION: UNCLASSIFIED

Mr. McNally,

Sir, you need a new Survivor Benefit Plan packet (SBP).
Upon completion of the Line of Duty investigation, a review of your original packet indicates that you have moved.
Therefore a new SBP packet is required before the Defense Finance and Accounting Service (DFAS) will process your annuity.

An SBP packet consist of:
DD Form 2656-7 (Verification for Survivor Annuity)
W-4P (Tax Withholding Certificate)
Direct Deposit Form (Banking information Form)

Please contact the Fort Knox Casualty Assistance Center so that they can arrange an appointment for you to fill out the new paperwork:
Directorate of Human Resources
Casualty Assistance Center (IMKN-HRM-CAS)
(address, three phone numbers, email - the first of the three phone numbers went straight to a voicemail that was full)

Once your packet is completed it will be forwarded to the Casualty Support Section for review and submission DFAS.

Questions or concerns about SBP can be addressed by the Fort Knox Benefits Coordinator:
Ms. Someone Else
(phone number/email)


Thank you for your attention.

Some Dude
Casualty and Mortuary Affairs Assistant

I, knowing the Army as I do, felt this does not bode well (and will probably require me actually going to Fort Knox for the appointment), and replied thus:

quote:

I'm already receiving my annuity. Am I going to stop getting my annuity because nobody told me I had to fill out a form when I moved three years ago?

So we'll see how this goes. That $310 a month is a fair chunk of my monthly income, so I hope it doesn't go away.

McNally fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Aug 24, 2018

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I also got a reply from the Gary Sinise Foundation yesterday!

quote:

Dear Harry,

Thank you for reaching out to the Gary Sinise Foundation and sharing this information, we apologize for the delay in response due to the high volume of requests we receive each day. Your patience is much appreciated. Please accept our sincerest condolences for the loss of your wife, and know that our hearts and prayers are with you.

Gary has the highest respect for the folks in our U.S. Military, our first responders, and the people who support them. We thank God every day for those who are serving or have served and sacrificed for our country. The men and women, like yourself, who are willing to put themselves in harm’s way to protect and defend our freedom and look out for our safety are truly deserving.

We have carefully given your inquiry every consideration, and while we wish we had unlimited resources and the ability to assist every worthy person in need including yourself, we sadly aren’t able to fulfill your request at this time. We do encourage you to reach out to the following organizations that offer legal and other support, and sincerely hope you will find the assistance you need.

National Association of American Veterans-- http://www.naavets.org/

Assisting eligible veterans with obtaining due benefits, counseling referrals, single parenting, and emergency assistance referrals. Empowering service members and disabled veterans by giving them access to information on education, employment, housing, nutritional and spiritual wellness, medical care information, respite care, veteran mobility van assistance, and job training and career coaching. Serving as an advocate for veteran’s rights. Supporting the timely processing of VA disability claims for all veterans through partnerships with other veterans’ groups.

National Veterans Legal Services Program-- http://www.nvlsp.org/

The NVLSP is a nonprofit organization that has worked since 1980 to ensure that the government delivers to our nation's 25 million veterans and active duty personnel the benefits to which they are entitled because of disabilities resulting from their military service to our country. NVLSP’s Lawyers Serving Warriors® program provides free legal representation to veterans and active duty personnel through a national network of major law firms and corporate legal departments. NVLSP is a member of The Veterans Consortium Pro Bono Program. The Consortium recruits and trains volunteer lawyers to provide free legal assistance to unrepresented veterans and family members who have appealed a VA denial of benefits to the U.S. Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims.

American Bar Association-- https://www.americanbar.org/groups/committees/veterans_benefits/pro_bono_resources_for_veterans.html

Pro Bono resources for lawyers & veterans to assist with medical care challenges, disability benefits, reemployment rights, consumer, housing, criminal & family law matters, & obtaining legal counsel. Choose a state to see the resources available.

Stateside Legal-- http://statesidelegal.org/

Legal help for military members, veterans and their families with a goal to help access benefits, find free legal help, and better understand legal issues. You can browse topics and find local help on the website. Also find forms for activated service members to assert legal protection under federal law.

The National Resource Directory-- http://www.nrd.gov/

The National Resource Directory (NRD) is a resource website that connects wounded warriors, Service Members, Veterans, their families, and caregivers to programs and services that support them. It provides access to services and resources at the national, state and local levels to support recovery, rehabilitation and community reintegration. Visitors can find information on a variety of topics that supply an abundance of vetted resources.



Operation We Are Here-- http://www.operationwearehere.com/index.html

To provide a comprehensive list of resources for the military community and its supporters.


Again, thank you for reaching out. We wish you the very best.


Respectfully,



Gary Sinise Foundation

Wow. I wasn't asking for legal help, I was asking for a louder voice. Thanks. Thanks a lot.

Today's my birthday, I get to wonder if I'm losing a benefit because casualty assistance forgot to have me fill out a form two and a half years ago. :toot:

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It resumes.

quote:

CLASSIFICATION: UNCLASSIFIED

Mr. McNally,

Before you moved, you filed an Survivor Benefit Plan (SBP) application (see attached).
The application could not be processed at the time because the Line of Duty (LOD) investigation was not complete.
The LOD was completed on 07 Aug 2018.
Normally this would mean that I could process your application.
However, since you are no longer at your old address, I need a new updated application.
I don't know what other annuities or benefits you are authorized, my focus is SBP only.

Again I urge you to contact the Fort Knox Casualty Assistance Center or Ms. Some Lady to arrange an appointment to complete your application.
Once completed it will be processed and submitted to DFAS.

Directorate of Human Resources
Casualty Assistance Center (IMKN-HRM-CAS)
Building 1378
70 Pershing Drive
Fort Knox, KY 40121-4215
Phone: (full voicemail box)/(left voicemail on Friday)/(left voicemail today)
Email:

Ms. Some Lady
Phone:
Email:

If you feel I'm not explaining this action well enough, please contact:

Mr. Another Dude
GS-12
Senior Benefits and Entitlements Officer
Casualty Support Section
United States Army Human Resources Command


Thank you for your attention.

Some Dude
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To recap, he gave me three phone numbers to call. The first one (which is also the phone number of the person he told me to specifically contact) goes to a voicemail box that is full and cannot accept any new voicemails. The second number I called on Friday. The third number is for the Casualty Assistance Center itself and I left a voicemail there, too.

All for paperwork that I'm 99% sure is superfluous anyway: I don't qualify for any SBP because I receive DIC.

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loving Army. I thought I was finally loving done with all their bullshit.

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Turns out nobody told the Fort Knox Casualty Assistance Center that I'd moved into their AOR.

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ded posted:

Green Weenie never sleeps and never rests. It will eternally hunt for buttholes to probe.

At some point you'd think it would move on. When I had a colonoscopy last month, the doctor just had me sit on a table with a hole in it and shone a flashlight up there.

I'm just... so loving tired. Completely and utterly drained. At this point I'm pretty sure my benefits aren't going to change, but Jesus. I should become a hitman or something, because I could kill for a sense of financial security.

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