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the milk machine posted:I bet 90% of it worked fine and Amazon never bothered to brag about that, because they're humble I'm saying it was a huge failure but it wasn't fake either. It wasn't a smokescreen for making underpaid humans do all the work. Even underpaid, that's too expensive.
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they wouldn’t brag about it because 90% is not really successful for that sort of system
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if a human staff member was missing 10% of their orders they’d be fired but the computer can miss that many because it doesn’t use the bathroom or have a family. hth
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there is no difference in cost between a machine that is right 99% of the time and needs constant human attention and one that is right 1% of the time and needs constant human attention (or you could save money with a computer that doesn't exist and is just a person doing that job)
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Plank Walker posted:there is no difference in cost between a machine that is right 99% of the time and needs constant human attention and one that is right 1% of the time and needs constant human attention (or you could save money with a computer that doesn't exist and is just a person doing that job) you can't carry people on your balance sheet as an asset
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ArmedZombie posted:you can't carry people on your balance sheet as an asset Give it 5-10 years.
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Subjunctive posted:they wouldn’t brag about it because 90% is not really successful for that sort of system i bet if they could say "it worked 90 percent of the time" instead of "if didn't work 70 percent of the time" they would have im just pointing out that if the info they released was that bad, there's really no reason to assume "golly it probably worked way better than they even said"
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the milk machine posted:i bet if they could say "it worked 90 percent of the time" instead of "if didn't work 70 percent of the time" they would have Two different measurements. I'm suggesting that 70% of trips needed manual checking, while probably less than 10% of items needed manual checking, because a trip has several items. In that situation the computers are unacceptably bad but also the Indian employees are not doing a big fraction of the work.
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it was marketed as an 🌟~~ AI ~~🌟solution of the future it was a bunch of underpaid Indian workers in another room doing more work than their lovely incapable software what part of this does not scream "failure" to you
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Dylan16807 posted:In that situation the computers are unacceptably bad but also the Indian employees are not doing a big fraction of the work.
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Dylan16807 posted:Two different measurements. i'm suggesting you're just making numbers up for some reason and i don't understand why
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guys check out this new invention, the mechanical turk! it's the choice of a new generation! *gets shown the fraud of the mechanical turk* well you have to admit that the machinery itself did respond to knobs being twisted and levers being pulled so it was at least 70% successful
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the milk machine posted:i bet if they could say "it worked 90 percent of the time" instead of "if didn't work 70 percent of the time" they would have did they release the rate of human intervention, or did it leak?all the stuff I saw about it was “according to a person who has worked on the technology” and so forth. and then quote:Just Walk Out teams repeatedly missed goals they had set to cut down on human review, according to the person who has worked on the technology. As of mid-2022, Just Walk Out required about 700 human reviews per 1,000 sales, far above an internal target of reducing the number of reviews to between 20 and 50 per 1,000 sales, the person said. The spokesperson said reviewers currently validate a “small minority” of shopper visits, adding: “Just Walk Out technology has continued to scale while reducing the number of human reviews year-over-year.” where are you seeing Amazon release the numbers? that doesn’t sound like something they would do, but I haven’t been following the story closely. (note that the leak is talking about two years ago and the spokesperson is talking about “currently”, so it makes sense that they don’t line up)
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ArmedZombie posted:you can't carry people on your balance sheet as an asset "People, selling people, to people."
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The Oldest Man posted:The Indian employees were doing 100% of the work required to make that bullshit shopping concept function, get the gently caress outta here The claim that "AI really means a bunch of barely paid people in India watching camera footage and marking what a person bought" is not true. They're doing 100% of the work that's left over by the AI, but that's a tautology. Even if they only needed 1 guy to supervise, he'd be doing 100% of the work left over. Amazon needing 1,000 underpaid Indian workers is a failure, but that's not the same as the AI being fake. Edit: And "AI is entirely a scam propped up by highly exploited labor from the global south" makes it sound like they're a lot more competent than they actually are. They failed, that's dumber than a deliberate scam. And if exploiting workers was the goal why would they shut it down? the milk machine posted:i'm suggesting you're just making numbers up for some reason and i don't understand why Trips are made of multiple items. If the per-trip success rate is 30%, the per-item success rate has to be a lot higher than 30%. Dylan16807 has issued a correction as of 04:09 on Apr 26, 2024 |
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Subjunctive posted:did they release the rate of human intervention, or did it leak?all the stuff I saw about it was “according to a person who has worked on the technology” and so forth. and then do you really think information like this is a genuine leak and not a company doing pr
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my man grocery store exist now and they don’t need thousands of Indians to work
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euphronius posted:my man grocery store exist now and they don’t need thousands of Indians to work
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the milk machine posted:do you really think information like this is a genuine leak and not a company doing pr yeah, I don’t think there was any benefit to Amazon to have the old numbers leak, and tech companies are leaky as poo poo. The Information gets good stuff that pisses off execs all the time.
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Dylan16807 posted:If there wasn't an AI, they would need many more thousands of workers. If there wasn't an AI amazon wouldn't have even run these stupid-rear end stores to begin with so no, they wouldn't Dylan16807 posted:I'm doing basic math. The specific quote was 700 out of every 1000 "sales", which is not specific enough a term to interpret the way you're interpreting it.
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Shame Boy posted:If there wasn't an AI amazon wouldn't have even run these stupid-rear end stores to begin with so no, they wouldn't lots of dumb mechanical turk poo poo exists, like that awful dancing tesla ot from a few years back
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Shame Boy posted:If there wasn't an AI amazon wouldn't have even run these stupid-rear end stores to begin with so no, they wouldn't And good point about the quote, maybe it really was that hilariously bad, though in that case I really want to hear how it got deployed at all.
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euphronius posted:my man grocery store exist now and they don’t need thousands of Indians to work Yes, I've heard good things about working in retail, especially sitting at the register and listening to the charming opinions of the customers. Trying to eliminate jobs that sucks is good. Doing it with AI and even worse jobs is not so good. What I'm suggesting is self scan solutions with an economic system that provides sufficient income for everyone, so that stealing is not worth the risk/hassle.
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BonHair posted:Also, the whole terminology is a gently caress. New Zealand is as far east as you get, plus pretty south, but it's still in "the West". Meanwhile, Morocco, a country situated west of most of Europe and literally called "the West" in it's native language is not considered part of "the West". It's a globe OP. You can keep going east infinitely. To the east of new Zealand is south America
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Dylan16807 posted:If there wasn't an AI, they would need many more thousands of workers. AI is fake though.
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Everyone thinking it's AI when all this time it's been just Al. Folks've been Ievanpolkka'd.
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euphronius posted:my man grocery store exist now and they don’t need thousands of Indians to work They do in my city
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I can picture the financial planners trying to convince someone to starve because it's irresponsible to be uninsured
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"Please starve so I don't" — financial planners.
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Zodium posted:core-periphery ftw Listen it's a tidal wave of human beings being made miserable being paid poverty wages, but on the other hand I personally spend 30 seconds less putting my lunch on a self checkout machine so really isn't it worth it?
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tokin opposition posted:a tidal wave of bourgeoisie being unable to pay a reproducible wage
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EoinCannon posted:I can picture the financial planners trying to convince someone to starve because it's irresponsible to be uninsured Realizing that my financial planner is living (my) paycheck to (my) paycheck is insane. I am the main breadwinner in my financial planner's family.
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khazar sansculotte posted:Realizing that my financial planner is living (my) paycheck to (my) paycheck is insane. I am the main breadwinner in my financial planner's family. lmao
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khazar sansculotte posted:Realizing that my financial planner is living (my) paycheck to (my) paycheck is insane. I am the main breadwinner in my financial planner's family. If someone calling themselves a "financial planner" is managing to scam a monthly paycheck out of you they must be doing something right
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every American worth his salt has his own financial planner, accountant, lawyer, doctor, and therapist. consult your life coach if you don't have one of these.
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mawarannahr posted:every American worth his salt has his own financial planner, accountant, lawyer, doctor, and therapist. consult your life coach if you don't have one of these. That doesn't sound very self-reliant to me, I think you should take personal responsibility and be your own doctor
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tokin opposition posted:Listen it's a tidal wave of human beings being made miserable being paid poverty wages, but on the other hand I personally spend 30 seconds less putting my lunch on a self checkout machine so really isn't it worth it? the terms are ftw! the terms!!
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