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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGFZD93I4ZM lmao get rekt nicky anyway nicholas ii was a garbage ruler and the revolution did substantially raise the standard of living because imperial russia was that bad.
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anyway there are twitter accounts that are going through WWI and the russian revolution in real time and there are a lot of monarchist bootlickers in the replies.
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Instant Sunrise posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGFZD93I4ZM it really was op
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it's like he set out to start a revolution
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Lawman 0 posted:it's like he set out to start a revolution the autocracy is back and richer than ever so who really won the russian revolution 
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Al! posted:the autocracy is back and richer than ever so who really won the russian revolution zyuganov would have won
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did you know some local nerd found the remains in 1979, reburied them and told nobody for 10 years
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What I'm about to say is 100% unironic: It takes real guts to execute the whole rear end family and spare you countrymen from years of plight and insecurity. Reminds me of the brave Mexicans who executed Maximilian even though he was kind of a harmless nerd.
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Lawman 0 posted:it's like he set out to start a revolution Small brain: the serfs were mad they were starving Galaxy brain: the czar was a false flag
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does anyone remember that disney movie Anastasia? i was thinking about rewatching it to just see how counter-historical it was and how much it fellates the aristocracy in russia
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Condiv posted:does anyone remember that disney movie Anastasia? i was thinking about rewatching it to just see how counter-historical it was and how much it fellates the aristocracy in russia Not a disney movie but yeah. I don't even think Nicky is really in the movie that much but it really pushes the idea that they were innocently manipulated by Rasputin, who is a Literal Demon/Necromancer in the movie.
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ferroque posted:Not a disney movie but yeah. tired:  wired: 
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Yeah it's weird, from what I remember, even though the movie is set in WWI Russia they barely mention the war or the much of the royal family at all. It's pretty much just a fairytale with the setting being an incredibly loose framing for the story. Unfortunately that is all most people in the West have been exposed to about the Romanovs. It doesn't help that they've been sainted by the Orthodox church, people assume they were innocent victims of circumstance instead of the horrible war criminals they really were.
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yeah a lot of cold-war whitewashing tends to erase the fact that nicky 2 was insanely anti-semitic or that he abolished russia’s kinda-sorta-parliament that was established after the 1905 revolution. so you end up with this “uwu nicholas 2 did nothing wrong” attitude that persists today.
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Instant Sunrise posted:yeah a lot of cold-war whitewashing tends to erase the fact that nicky 2 was insanely anti-semitic or that he abolished russia’s kinda-sorta-parliament that was established after the 1905 revolution. A lot of people forget that republican france loaned the russian government over 2 billion francs to cover the costs of putting down the revolution. This is a big reason why nicholas was able to regain power and abolish the duma. This pissed off a lot of french leftists who thought it hypocritical to prop up a tyrannical authoritarian regime solely to protect the french from the threat of germany.
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anyway lurkers i’d suggest “october” by china miéville as a good introductory overview of the russian revolution.
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Instant Sunrise posted:yeah a lot of cold-war whitewashing tends to erase the fact that nicky 2 was insanely anti-semitic or that he abolished russia’s kinda-sorta-parliament that was established after the 1905 revolution. And that he was literally a divine-right absolutist, which got masked at times by just how bad he was at his job. Instant Sunrise posted:anyway lurkers i’d suggest “october” by china miéville as a good introductory overview of the russian revolution. A longer but still worth reading book would be Robert Massie's "Nicholas and Alexandra," which is at times a little too sympathetic for my tastes but still tells the story well enough without devolving into hagiography.
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anyone got a good song about it, preferably from the time of the events
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Captain_Maclaine posted:A longer but still worth reading book would be Robert Massie's "Nicholas and Alexandra," which is at times a little too sympathetic for my tastes but still tells the story well enough without devolving into hagiography. Was this the one that got made into a movie? I remember it being pretty good, especially the guy who played Witte.
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https://twitter.com/romanovs100/status/1018963769781817344 the replies are gold
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rest in piss
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Kurtofan posted:anyone got a good song about it, preferably from the time of the events
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Frijolero posted:What I'm about to say is 100% unironic: it didn’t really take guts, they were just afraid that they’d be taken by the Whites. the Bolsheviks even kept the executions secret until 1925.
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good op. i'm glad
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ferroque posted:A lot of people forget that republican france loaned the russian government over 2 billion francs to cover the costs of putting down the revolution. This is a big reason why nicholas was able to regain power and abolish the duma. ironically it did protect France and ended up setting a left wing government in Russia 2 decades later  also death to monarchs
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https://twitter.com/Tackle_Talk/status/1019210728660758528 Holy poo poo. Piss (on their graves).
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*makes finger guns and ratatat sound effects*
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really queer Christmas posted:also death to monarchs     
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Gazpacho posted:but ... national dignity which royals are those
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romanovs, maybe a few relatives from eastern europe thrown in? 
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really you need to shoot them once and let the hemophilia carry the weight
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Nicky is funny as poo poo because his uncle was a modernist who wanted to help harden the state to ward off famines and empower some of the lower classes while curbing the excesses of the nobility to help prevent peasant uprisings but he died of small pox or some poo poo so nicky's dumb failson father just got on the throne and was like "u know I think the serfs have it too well" and rolled back reforms so Nicky isn't just a failson he was the failson of a failson
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Instant Sunrise posted:the replies are gold
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Agean90 posted:Nicky is funny as poo poo because his uncle was a modernist who wanted to help harden the state to ward off famines and empower some of the lower classes while curbing the excesses of the nobility to help prevent peasant uprisings but he died of small pox or some poo poo so nicky's dumb failson father just got on the throne and was like "u know I think the serfs have it too well" and rolled back reforms so Nicky isn't just a failson he was the failson of a failson grandfather not uncle, tsar alexander ii, and he got blown up by a bomb courtesy of the People's Will anarchist group--two really, one that damaged his carriage and killed some of his cossack bodyguards, then a second thrown at the tsar's feet after he and his surviving guards disembarked. died a mangled wreck in abject agony at the st. petersburg palace. nicky's father alex iii was the dumb failson who rolled back such liberal reforms as alex ii hadn't gone back on already, waged the disastrous & pathetic russo-japanese war, etc.
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:grandfather not uncle, tsar alexander ii, and he got blown up by a bomb courtesy of the People's Will anarchist group--two really, one that damaged his carriage and killed some of his cossack bodyguards, then a second thrown at the tsar's feet after he and his surviving guards disembarked. died a mangled wreck in abject agony at the st. petersburg palace. nicky's father alex iii was the dumb failson who rolled back such liberal reforms as alex ii hadn't gone back on already, waged the disastrous & pathetic russo-japanese war, etc. Hereditary system doesnt seen a very good way to pick governments, weird
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"But Stalin was bad" I continue to insist as I shrink and transform into a feudal peasant
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ferroque posted:Was this the one that got made into a movie? I remember it being pretty good, especially the guy who played Witte. They made a film version of it in the seventies if I remember right, and Massie released a followup in the mid-nineties when he had had access to the Soviet archives made available to westerners for that tantalizingly short window following the collapse.
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