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Khrushchev wept when he read of Everett's many-worlds interpretation, and when his comrades inquired what ailed him, "Is it not worthy of tears," he said, "that, when the number of worlds is infinite, we have not yet killed even all the royals of this one"
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StashAugustine posted:i feel like a) we're wandering back and forth between putting too much emphasis on personal responsibility and not enough and b) losing sight of the point of this thread which is sic semper tyrannis bitch
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Larry Parrish posted:If anything the more recent American wars were more morally executed than the previous ones because they started out as naked imperialism, genocide, and ethnic cleansing, and moved to a comparatively much more human brutal total war. Well at least until you get into the modern days endless police actions. I'm not sure what the gently caress to call that but I'd say it's worse than war with a goal in mind I'd say a war which has the possibility of ever ending is more moral than the idiotic forever wars we're in now
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My God, can you stop arguing about ethics and just enjoy dead totalitarian dictators
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Typo posted:imperial russia 1900s had modern day chinese rates of economic growth and industrialization until the civil war blew it all up ww1 blew it all up you idiot
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quote:By early 1917, Russia was on the verge of total and utter collapse. The army had taken 15 million men from the farms and food prices had soared. An egg cost four times what it had in 1914, butter five times as much. The severe winter dealt the railways, overburdened by emergency shipments of coal and supplies, the final blow.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I guess the Bolsheviks just weren't putting the 3 million dead from WW1 in the right perspective. Venom Snake posted:ww1 blew it all up you idiot WWI killed 3 million and was fought mostly on russia's peripheries so the heartland wasn't touched, the russian civil war killed 17 million and absolutely devastated the russian heartland
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Typo posted:WWI killed 3 million and was fought mostly on russia's peripheries so the heartland wasn't touched, the russian civil war killed 17 million and absolutely devastated the russian heartland It had nevertheless totally destroyed the Russian economy (among other things) and thus any illusory industrial progress of the earlier 20th century was, at best, a moot point.
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Jul 20, 2018 22:24
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It had nevertheless totally destroyed the Russian economy (among other things) and thus any illusory industrial progress of the earlier 20th century was, at best, a moot point. no it didn't, there were transportation issues and shortage of consumer goods but the physical infrastructure and factories/farms etc was still there, they would have bounced back if the war ended in 1917-18 without a civil war afterwards it's the difference between the great depression and having armies of millions of men destroying everything in your country
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Typo posted:no it didn't, there were transportation issues and shortage of consumer goods but the physical infrastructure and factories/farms etc was still there, they would have bounced back if the war ended in 1917-18 without a civil war afterwards drat those are some weasel words right there "Consumer goods" such as food and fuel "Transportation issues" such as the incredibly vital rail network being decimated and reduced to less than half it's pre-war load Yeah I'm sure they could have just walked that off with that loving moron still in absolute power dragging them back every step of the way
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So a civil war is the same as a war against another nation? Good to know. Death to tyrants.
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It's all the more remarkable then that the Soviets became one of the most powerful industrialized countries on the planet so soon after complete economic ruin.
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Typo posted:no it didn't, there were transportation issues and shortage of consumer goods but the physical infrastructure and factories/farms etc was still there, they would have bounced back if the war ended in 1917-18 without a civil war afterwards This is so staggering a misunderstanding of the state of the Russian economy and crisis at the time of the revolution that I have to question exactly where you're getting this poo poo. And "bounced back if the war had ended?" That's some grade-A counterfactual bullshit right there.
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Business Gorillas posted:Small brain: the serfs were mad they were starving The czar was the deepest cover Marxist of all time
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Khrushchev wept when he read of Everett's many-worlds interpretation, and when his comrades inquired what ailed him, "Is it not worthy of tears," he said, "that, when the number of worlds is infinite, we have not yet killed even all the royals of this one" If this isn't real then I loving hate you
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Hostess Snack Cake posted:If this isn't real then I loving hate you
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boy this guy sure has a fetish for failed ethnostates. i see a confederate flag and a rhodesian flag behind him. 
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Instant Sunrise posted:boy this guy sure has a fetish for failed ethnostates. i see a confederate flag and a rhodesian flag behind him. uh youre forgetting the skyrim map
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:uh youre forgetting the skyrim map the south belongs to the southrons
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is there a good book showing what a dumb loving goober nicky was. on the kids. i was sad but probably necessary. nicky hosed them, he should have just fled or dissolved the monarchy.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:uh youre forgetting the skyrim map another failed ethnostate
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:another failed ethnostate yeah, gently caress ulfric.
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Question, since people are using the word in this thread: Why's everyone suddenly talking about ethnostates now? Is it just the hip new way to say nation state, but with a more negative connotation?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Question, since people are using the word in this thread: Why's everyone suddenly talking about ethnostates now? Is it just the hip new way to say nation state, but with a more negative connotation? A nation enhabited entirely one ethnicity, in other words what white supremacists want
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Agean90 posted:A nation enhabited entirely one ethnicity, in other words what white supremacists want
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A Buttery Pastry posted:So basically a more extreme version of a nation state, not being content to merely have the state built around the nation; instead, the territory of the state must only contain people of that nation? Alright, I suppose it goes pretty well with the name ethnic cleansing, so it's not a terrible choice of name all things considered - and it makes sense, given the state of modern politics, that there'd be a demand for an expanded vocabulary on this front. see also: israel by the way, this is the number one reason neonazis are fine with the existence of israel because it both codifies the successful ethnostate and keeps all the jews in their own little country separate from everyone else
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A Buttery Pastry posted:So basically a more extreme version of a nation state, not being content to merely have the state built around the nation; instead, the territory of the state must only contain people of that nation? Alright, I suppose it goes pretty well with the name ethnic cleansing, so it's not a terrible choice of name all things considered - and it makes sense, given the state of modern politics, that there'd be a demand for an expanded vocabulary on this front. not really but sure
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Typo posted:imperial russia 1900s had modern day chinese rates of economic growth and industrialization until the civil war blew it all up loving lmao
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Typo posted:
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i cant believe someone actually showed up to defend motherfucking imperial russia i mean what the gently caress
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the tsar might've survived to become some kind of waxwork monarchy like england but the particular pigheadedness of the aristocracy and political right in general in russia at that time would prove to their downfall
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Typo posted:WWI killed 3 million and was fought mostly on russia's peripheries so the heartland wasn't touched, the russian civil war killed 17 million and absolutely devastated the russian heartland if the Tsar didn't want his country descending into civil war, there was an answer to that
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Instant Sunrise posted:boy this guy sure has a fetish for failed ethnostates. i see a confederate flag and a rhodesian flag behind him. Does it even make sense to call Russian Empire an ethno state The Russian aristocracy spoke French, German, and English
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they were also huge anti-semites, OP
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Significant Ant posted:Does it even make sense to call Russian Empire an ethno state Hurrrr
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Frog Act posted:anyone got a good book recommendation on the Russian revolutions and, as a follow up, on Stalin and the transition of power after his death? I'm fine with something academic, I never got to take any Russian history courses FWIW I'm reading Neil Faulkner's A People's History of the Russian Revolution and I found it a lot more readable and approachable than Mieville's October
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