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chitoryu12 posted:I think it's a bit disingenuous to say the Guardians "fight to protect the status quo" when all three conflicts they've been involved in had the alternative to the status quo be "the entire universe is devastated beyond belief." Like Britain and America weren't defending the status quo when they kicked Hitler out of France. How the gently caress do you manage to equate the plots of lovely action comedies with real conflicts where countless people died in the battle against fascism.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:How the gently caress do you manage to equate the plots of lovely action comedies with real conflicts where countless people died in the battle against fascism. have you ever watched a movie
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Ghost Leviathan posted:have you ever watched a movie No.
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chitoryu12 posted:I think it's a bit disingenuous to say the Guardians "fight to protect the status quo" when all three conflicts they've been involved in had the alternative to the status quo be "the entire universe is devastated beyond belief." Like Britain and America weren't defending the status quo when they kicked Hitler out of France. the "guardians" aren't loving real. the fact that the creators of the movie set up the conflict to be status quo or abject annihilation says everything about the creators
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Elfgames posted:the "guardians" aren't loving real. the fact that the creators of the movie set up the conflict to be status quo or abject annihilation says everything about the creators tbh i think both you and chitoryu are actually touching on a really good point that extends way past just the guardians movies WWII, as an event, imprinted really loving hard on our collective psyche. these "status quo or total annihilation" plots, which you frankly see pretty often in the action genre, are essentially echoes of the American narrative of WWII, even if they're much lighter in subject matter and importance, because at some point someone realized that poo poo just hits people right in the lizard brain.
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chitoryu12 posted:Let's clarify. Jokes made before he worked for Disney which Disney was aware of at the time of his hiring. Jokes that he had apologized for and deleted years ago, which Cernovich had to actually put effort into re-revealing that he said it once. Imagine that Disney wasn't a galaxy spanning conciousness that was all knowing and all seeing, and was a group of at least, I don't know, two people. One of those people reviewed Gunn before hiring him and said "hah hah, this guy thinks that kids being raped is funny too, we should hire him". Later on the other guy at Disney sees the tweets and he's like "Oh no, I hate kids being raped, I want to fire this guy". That would make all of this a lot easier to explain, but as we all know Disney is actually a collective conciousness so this is some really confounding poo poo.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:tbh i think both you and chitoryu are actually touching on a really good point that extends way past just the guardians movies I would argue that GOTG is a pretty light romp until Ronan gets to Xandar with the stone. The threat is way more vague until the narrative suddenly decides to turn into planet-specific mass genocide.
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They establish the threat by having a slave be brutally killed while trying to free herself. The lesson the heroes take away is that the macguffin is bad, and don't even notice slavery.
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Okay nerd bird, play it out. I'm not disagreeing with you but explain your thoughts. okay, you edited for clarification. you dildo.
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chitoryu12 posted:I think it's a bit disingenuous to say the Guardians "fight to protect the status quo" when all three conflicts they've been involved in had the alternative to the status quo be "the entire universe is devastated beyond belief." Like Britain and America weren't defending the status quo when they kicked Hitler out of France. Well, that's a weird example to pick, since they were. They both expected to retain all their colonial holdings when the war was over. They were genuinely surprised that they didn't get to. It doesn't make the Nazis and Imperial Japanese less awful, but Britain expected to keep owning India and France spent a decade enforcing its ownership of Algeria The point is, though, that there are now two movies about against the grain outcasts who's big blow is to return things to how they are at the beginning of the movie.
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https://twitter.com/io9/status/1049731469466308609 Good job Disney. It was all worth it.
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That should make for an improvement over the first.
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Maybe if he also does a total recasting and, re-everything-ing. e: If it's just a screenplay then... bleh.
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King Vidiot posted:Maybe if he also does a total recasting and, re-everything-ing. He’s looking to direct, and is doing basically this.
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Wendell posted:That should make for an improvement over the first. Not really. I mean, remember how Gunn's fans in this thread failed to say anything about what he brought to the table as a director?
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I don't remember anything except the constant drone of you grinding your axe for at least 80 posts in this thread
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davidspackage posted:I don't remember anything except the constant drone of you grinding your axe for at least 80 posts in this thread Grinding an axe doesn't make a droning sound.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Grinding an axe doesn't make a droning sound. You'll argue about pretty much anything, huh?
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I'm starting to think that BravestofTheLamps is literally Mike Cernovich. He's a huge brick wall that argues in bad faith, makes total nonpoints then follows them up with deflection and misdirection, and has a huge hate-on for James Gunn for no reason. And he'll literally respond to anything anybody posts about him.
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Considering recent world events, I wonder if this is ever gonna bite Dwayne in the rear end https://twitter.com/TamerELG/status/983560194826350592?s=20
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Taintrunner posted:Considering recent world events, I wonder if this is ever gonna bite Dwayne in the rear end Considering the US has historically kissed Saudi rear end no matter who's in charge, I don't think it ever will 
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Whoa...you mean to tell me a billionaire emirati drinks liquor!?!? But he's not supposed to!
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Maybe Dwayne Johnson can elaborate for us the "modern view" of Saudi sexual slavery, and just... slavery in that country altogether.
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King Vidiot posted:has a huge hate-on for James Gunn for no reason. It's because he makes bad movies and people are strangely evangelical about them.
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The phrase "my friend Rupert Murdoch" has utterly destroyed my old view of the Rock. gently caress that rear end in a top hat.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:It's because he makes bad movies and people are strangely evangelical about them. Are they though? That argument makes sense for MCU movies in general, but your statement just seems specifically targeted at CP. I may be missing a chunk of people obsessively singing the praises of Super, I guess.
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Mameluke posted:The phrase "my friend Rupert Murdoch" has utterly destroyed my old view of the Rock. gently caress that rear end in a top hat. The best thing the Rock ever did was let CM Punk clown on him and make so utterly transparent the contempt Vince McMahon had for his fanbase. At least until Punk went to the UFC and ate poo poo not once but twice in a row...
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Mameluke posted:The phrase "my friend Rupert Murdoch" has utterly destroyed my old view of the Rock. gently caress that rear end in a top hat. Holy loving poo poo, I was so taken aback by The Rock thanking the Saudis and talking about a religious leader drinking The Forbidden Liquor that I didn't even notice that. Like I knew The Rock was a conservative but goddamn.
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I can't believe this rich person is friends with another rich person!
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Mameluke posted:The phrase "my friend Rupert Murdoch" has utterly destroyed my old view of the Rock. gently caress that rear end in a top hat. According to wikipedia, Rupert Murdoch severed all ties with his third wife Wendi Deng after he discovered she was loving Tony Blair.  At least that is some schadenfreude for you.
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He's a Republican and has never been shy about it.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:He's a Republican and has never been shy about it. Basically it's safe to assume that every rich celebrity who lives in Florida is a Republican.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:He's a Republican and has never been shy about it. The corporate champ
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This doesn't relate to Hollywood, but it relates to Marvel. They fired one of their Star Wars (comics) writers for calling shitheads such as convicted felon Dinesh D'souza and Ben Shapiro shitheads. https://twitter.com/ChuckWendig/sta...r%3D124%23pti21 More info here: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/marvel-fires-star-wars-writer-chuck-wendig-1151966
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Facebook also delisted a bunch of "keep tabs on the cops" and other independent media outlets.
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I'm sure all of those were really immoral, the state and the Conservatives really have our best interests at heart including protecting us from immoral fiction.
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GrandpaPants posted:This doesn't relate to Hollywood, but it relates to Marvel. They fired one of their Star Wars (comics) writers for calling shitheads such as convicted felon Dinesh D'souza and Ben Shapiro shitheads. Not the least bit surpising. Marvel CEO Ike Perlmutter is a massive Trump supporter and IIRC is even part of his administration in some capacity.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Facebook also delisted a bunch of "keep tabs on the cops" and other independent media outlets. The best is how the notice canning them told they weren't being "authentic" which is some real bizarre verbiage.
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AceOfFlames posted:Not the least bit surpising. Marvel CEO Ike Perlmutter is a massive Trump supporter and IIRC is even part of his administration in some capacity. Old, powerful, rich white guy. Checks out. loving sucks that he (and others) are firing talented, popular people who make them money just because of their politics. Here's me, arguing in favor of capitalism. Never thought I'd see the day.
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