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It's a really weird collection of running backs, honestly. The most accomplished guy by far just got pushed out by his old team for his lack of explosiveness in the run game. Still, they have to keep Howard if only because he gives them a reliable option up the middle. He's a big back who is unlikely to get hurt, and he's dependable to pick up some yards, especially in a zone scheme. Miles Sanders was drafted in the second round this year, so he isn't going anywhere. He's injured right now though, I don't think he's even practiced with the team. So they're hopeful about him but there are some indications that it may take him a little bit to get established and earn the trust of the team. Certainly if he shows a propensity to turn the ball over that won't happen. Corey Clement has made some nice plays, most especially in the Super Bowl he had the game of his life, but I think he's relatively limited as a tailback. The next guy on the list, Smallwood, may have Clement's skills and then some. Looking over the stats, Clement ended with a 3.8 ypc average for 259 yards, while Smallwood average 4.2 for 364 yards. So last season Smallwood was already getting more used than Clement. Will they let Clement go? I don't know, but they're gonna have to let someone go. No way are they keeping 7 backs on the roster. Next up is Josh Adams, who I agree I'd like to see them keep. I think he adds a little something and could be a nice piece for them. I'd like to see him put on a bit of bulk and get better at hitting the hole with speed. The way I see it he could be a similar runner to Latavius Murray, given their mutual height and similar shapes. But he looked a bit too thin last year and I thought tried to break runs to the edge too often. Donnel Pumphrey I don't know a whole lot about, but I see he was drafted in the fourth round in 2017 and hasn't accumulated a single statistic in the NFL afaict. I'd say his seat is probably pretty hot, out of all these guys a 4th round dude from two years ago who hasn't logged a single carry is definitely a cut target. Then there's Boston Scott, who could also be a cut target depending on what the coaches are thinking about him. He couldn't hack it in New Orleans it seems but maybe just needed time to develop. He's 5'6" with 4.4 straight speed which sounds very attractive for sure, he could shake up the top of the depth chart easily. Definitely an interesting position battle to keep an eye on an. There's not a single person on this list who I would say is head and shoulders above the others. Definitely some guys are more likely to be kept, but they could all make a case (except maybe Pumphrey) to be one of the top three backs on the team. We'll see how it shakes out
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I think by signing Sproles, the Eagles may be saying there's nothing special at all about Clement, Smallwood or Adams and there's no reason to waste a roster spot on any of them because at least one of them will be available later if they need to sign another RB. I don't mind them using one RB spot on a guy who is a huge injury risk (Sproles). I think where they got into trouble last year was keeping two of them. And Pumphrey is so bad that it annoys me he is taking up the #8 RB spot in training camp.
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I forgot about Sproles. Honestly if I was ranking them, at this stage of his career I'd put Sproles behind every back but Pumphrey as far as utility to the team. He just didn't look great last year and I don't see him being used more than a play or two per game. Maybe they have a plan for him though. I do think either Clement or Smallwood should go. They seem close enough to being duplicates of each other, which is why I'd rather keep Josh Adams, who averaged more yards (and rushed for more total yards) than either of them, and besides offers a change of pace in the backfield.
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They just signed Sproles! (see bottom of previous page) Sproles needs like 150 yards or something to be #5 on the all-time all purpose yardage list. I don't think he signs with the Eagles if they are telling him he can compete in training camp with a bunch of nobodies. I'd think he'd have to have some kind of assurance, though not a guarantee, that he is in the Eagles' plans. You also forgot Boston Scott, the name that intrigues me the most because like Sproles he can return punts (and kicks) and also because I've seen the least of him so far so maybe he's not as mediocre as the others. e: Also I like beating Dallas with a guy named Dallas and I think it would be nice to beat the Patriots with a guy named Boston. e2: Also he's from the Saints like Sproles so there's some symmetry there. NotWearingPants fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Jul 22, 2019 |
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NotWearingPants posted:They just signed Sproles! (see bottom of previous page) Sproles needs like 150 yards or something to be #5 on the all-time all purpose yardage list. I don't think he signs with the Eagles if they are telling him he can compete in training camp with a bunch of nobodies. I'd think he'd have to have some kind of assurance, though not a guarantee, that he is in the Eagles' plans. I didn't forget Boston Scott, he's just wedged in with the paragraph about Pumphrey. I do wonder why the Saints didn't roster him but his skills are super intriguing. I agree that they almost certainly won't cut Sproles. I was just giving my personal evaluation, that most of those guys have more potential to be valuable to the team than Sproles. But there's nothing wrong with showing loyalty and maybe if Sproles is healthy he'll be able to show a bit more than he did last season
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If anyone is curious as to how lovely an owner Dan Snyder is, over the last decade he's successfully managed to make Washington lose the most fans in the NFL, which includes the glorious honor of being the only team that failed to fill at least three-quarters of seats in its stadium in the 2018 season.
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The big thing the Eagles can do to juice the running game (and help Wentz) is actually call some loving running plays to keep the defense honest. Their run/pass ratio was way higher in 2018 than it was in 2017. I don't know if that's Reich leaving or Pederson's doing or what and I know the NFL is crazy pass happy these days but I still think the threat of a run is important. Philly's balance in 2017 was a big part of their success. Honestly surprised they brought Sproles back given his age and mileage but it's nice knowing they have him around to return kicks at least. Birds are gonna be good this year if Wentz stays healthy. Beer4TheBeerGod posted:If anyone is curious as to how lovely an owner Dan Snyder is, I think we here in the NFC East thread are past the point of being curious. God, he sucks.
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BiggerBoat posted:The big thing the Eagles can do to juice the running game (and help Wentz) is actually call some loving running plays to keep the defense honest. Their run/pass ratio was way higher in 2018 than it was in 2017. I don't know if that's Reich leaving or Pederson's doing or what and I know the NFL is crazy pass happy these days but I still think the threat of a run is important. I wonder if part of this was from being behind in more games in 2018 than 2017; easier to get the run ratio up when you're 20+ points ahead against the Cardinals/Bears/Broncos/49ers/Cowboys in the fourth quarter. quote:Philly's balance in 2017 was a big part of their success. Honestly surprised they brought Sproles back given his age and mileage but it's nice knowing they have him around to return kicks at least. Sproles's punt return ability shouldn't be overlooked; I still remember when the Eagles lost a game because they didn't have Reno Mahe on the roster.
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The run game wasn't exactly humming for Philly last season. I think them not calling run plays had more to do with being 28th in the league in yards per rushing attempt at 3.9 ypc
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The Eagles lost their RB1 and RB3 pretty fast. #RB2 being a rotational pass catcher (Sproles). But only had RB2 Sproles for a few games. The starters at the end of the season were RB4 UDFA Adams and fringe roster spot RB5 Smallwood. There was no talent the majority of the season at RB.
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MD2020 posted:s punt return ability shouldn't be overlooked; I still remember when the Eagles lost a game because they didn't have Reno Mahe on the roster. yo for real. that was such a frustrating season
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Watching Eagles/Texans from last year and I gotta say that Sproles still has it. No idea if he can hang on for an entire season though. Dude is 36.
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I really hope he's just a return specialist. if he's averaging 5+ touches a game it's probably bad news for the offense
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Quiet Feet posted:Watching Eagles/Texans from last year and I gotta say that Sproles still has it. No idea if he can hang on for an entire season though. Dude is 36. That must've been the only game he showed up in, because all I saw for the most part was him getting stuffed and looking way slower than usual. Looking at his stats, he did have a rushing touchdown and two receiving touchdowns which is damned solid for a guy with 280 yards from scrimmage. Still, I didn't think he looked that great and best case scenario for the Eagles would be Miles Sanders essentially being good enough to take his carries.
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He's in there to get his all purpose yards, take a few carries, mentor Sanders, and run the winning kickoff return against the Saints in the playoffs.
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Play posted:That must've been the only game he showed up in, because all I saw for the most part was him getting stuffed and looking way slower than usual. Looking at his stats, he did have a rushing touchdown and two receiving touchdowns which is damned solid for a guy with 280 yards from scrimmage. Still, I didn't think he looked that great and best case scenario for the Eagles would be Miles Sanders essentially being good enough to take his carries. I dunno, I suppose it could be a case of him compared to the talent around him in that game but he still had a lot of swerve that nobody else matched. Josh Adams looked so slow and plodding by comparison, though obviously they're different kinds of backs. I just could swear I remember Adams being more impressive. Then again this is a sample size of one game.
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Adams showed promise. But, shockingly, got hurt at the end of the year. That's why he hardly had any carries at the end of the season/post season.
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Yeah I liked Adams, in general I appreciate taller backs and he definitely had some good hard runs and always fought hard for extra yardage. I think he did fumble a time or two though. He didn't look particularly fast but I think a lot of that is he's not particularly QUICK. He ran a 4.48 40 which is pretty good for an RB, but if your running game isn't humming and he's being contacted or having to dodge before he gets to the line of scrimmage he won't have a ton of success. I would keep him around, dump Pumphrey and probably Clement, despite him being a Super Bowl legend
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Sproles is a very good pass blocker (which is surprising for his size) and should still be a dangerous receiving weapon out of the backfield. I'd like to see the Eagles do a better job of synchronizing their RB rotation with the play calls. I'm not fond of this system where Duce Staley controls the RB rotation and then the offense just runs whatever the play call is with whatever RB Duce happened to send in for that series. Obviously you don't want to give away the plays by the RB rotation, but Sproles is a specialist and he shouldn't be the RB in there if the Eagles are going to run inside.
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I feel like Boston Scott is the next Charlie Garner in that the Eagles are going to sleep on him and he's going to go on to success elsewhere. e: ok, that's probably unrealistic. Maybe more like the next Dion Lewis.
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NotWearingPants posted:Sproles is a specialist and he shouldn't be the RB in there if the Eagles are going to run inside. I'm having flashbacks to Sproles time on the Chargers.
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Game-Blouses posted:Adams was dreadful in short yardage opportunities last year. Yeah that's kind of what I was getting at. People always think the tall guys will be good at short yardage, in my opinion it's the opposite. The tall guys usually have a good top speed for breaking big runs but don't have the moves or quickness to easily get around penetrating defenders in a short yardage situation. I would probably go Smallwood or Howard in those situations, depending on how short is "short yardage". NotWearingPants posted:Sproles is a very good pass blocker (which is surprising for his size) and should still be a dangerous receiving weapon out of the backfield. In general veterans are gonna be way better pass blockers than young guys, although of course there is the odd player this doesn't apply to. If what you're describing here is actually how they decide which RB will be on the field for which play... that's really weird and stupid. And actually, it did seem super random last year like that, with the RBs being asked to do stuff that didn't seem to fit their skill set and would've been better for another back on the roster. Are you sure that's how they do it though? That seems pretty dumb
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NotWearingPants posted:Sproles is a very good pass blocker (which is surprising for his size) and should still be a dangerous receiving weapon out of the backfield. Agreed. Sproles is still tricky and shifty on dump offs and screens and keeps a defense honest when he's in there. I don't like him in the backfield on 2nd and 6 situations, as an every down back or near the goal line trying to pound the rock but, assuming he still has anything left, he's worth a roster spot and always been a good change of pace type and remains dangerous in space. I really like the balance and depth on this team and the fact that they look above average pretty much everywhere. That worked out really well in 2017 and fits into what Doug likes to do with an overall team concept. The injuries in the secondary last year may have been a blessing in disguise since they were able to find some guys who appear to be able to play back there and it helps their depth. I expect Dallas Goedert to make big strides this year and give the Eagles a lot of ways to beat you with a 2 TE set. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Jul 25, 2019 |
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I was just so excited to see Year Two Saquon, O'Dell and an offensive line. im trying to get into the swing of things and get excited for Training Camp Baybeeee but gently caress this is brutal. saquon is the only bright spot and he's going to get run into the loving ground. the defense will be putrid Gay Horney fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Jul 26, 2019 |
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Gay Horney posted:I was just so excited to see Year Two Saquon, O'Dell and an offensive line. You have to hope that at least the offense will be a little better positioned to have a good start. Last year in the first 4 weeks or so they looked almost unbelievably bad. The team has done a decent amount to address the offensive line, which is smart (not a word I could use to describe a lot of the other things they've done) and should result in a better start on offense and less three and outs. Defense is pretty hosed -looking though, that's for sure. Bunch of new guys so it's hard to say exactly how those pieces will fit together, but it seems clear that they'll be a bottom half of the league defense and maybe a bottom 5 defense. Looking at defensive efficiency, the Giants were actually at 24th in the league both of the previous two years, which is lower than I expected. So yeah it could get pretty ugly Play fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Jul 26, 2019 |
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On the one hand I've got no problem with a football player trying to make sure they're gonna get paid. On the other hand, even if he is a game changer for the team, I just don't know if I can expect Zeke to be keep himself out of trouble for an extended period of time. If he's pushing for a long term deal I just don't think he's gonna get it.
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Zeke should absolutely hold out for a deal. His leverage will never be greater than it is right now, during a season where the Cowboys are looking promising and need him on the field.
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Maybe if you don't want to pay an RB like he's one of the top players in the game then don't pick him in the top 5. If the idea is to get so much out of him during his first contract that he's not worth a second contract, then maybe that's not a very good use of a top 5 pick either.
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Play posted:Zeke should absolutely hold out for a deal. His leverage will never be greater than it is right now, during a season where the Cowboys are looking promising and need him on the field. I don't think it's that cut and dry. I believe this isn't his last year and he still needs to get another season registered to get out of his rookie contract.
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NotWearingPants posted:Maybe if you don't want to pay an RB like he's one of the top players in the game then don't pick him in the top 5. Unfortunately, that is a pretty good use of a top 5 pick actually: a huge piece of your offense on a controlled contract for up to 6 years including franchise tags (right?) and then dumping him after. The system is basically set up to incentivize doing that. But they didn't draft a replacement last year because he's still under contract, so I think his leverage is about as good as it's gonna get. At the very least they could throw him some extra millions. Beer4TheBeerGod posted:I don't think it's that cut and dry. I believe this isn't his last year and he still needs to get another season registered to get out of his rookie contract. Yeah his rookie deal is still active, but he can't wait til next year because they'll probably just draft another back and he'll have even less leverage. Or they'll just franchise him
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indigi posted:are they? none of them are especially good look, if they sign enough mediocre ones maybe one of them will somehow be good!  Play posted:Zeke should absolutely hold out for a deal. His leverage will never be greater than it is right now, during a season where the Cowboys are looking promising and need him on the field. Yeah if I'm Zeke's agent I'm definitely telling him to hold out. The NFC East looks pretty horrible other than the Cowboys/Eagles and given Dak's issues the Cowboys staff likely know how crucial he is to their success. Whoever wins the NFC East is likely in a good spot for a bye and Dallas would be foolish to squander their chances at it by playing hardball with their best player. axeil fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jul 26, 2019 |
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Trade him for Derrick Henry
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Zeke is a Cowboy and thereby sucks. I hope whatever the outcome is that it fucks the Cowboys over for as long as possible.
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I think Dak Prescott played in playoff games, so Dak Prescott is worth $45 million a year, right? Right, Jerry? $50 million? $55? $60? $65? $70?
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Quiet Feet posted:Zeke is a Cowboy and thereby sucks. I hope whatever the outcome is that it fucks the Cowboys over for as long as possible. In'shallah.
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