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Borrovan posted:To be fair though doing a silly dance and getting burned about Mandella are literally the only newsworthy things she's done since Chequers. I genuinely think the reason the racism stuff isn't sticking is because his core supporters know it's bollocks and every else is probably a fair bit racist themselves. It's like the right-wing press have picked a smear designed to most horrify the group most supportive of Corbyn (racism) without realising that they're the group least likely to believe anything they read in the right-wing press.
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https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1035634181823447040 Thanks Corbyn!
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jabby posted:I genuinely think the reason the racism stuff isn't sticking is because his core supporters know it's bollocks and every else is probably a fair bit racist themselves. this is very far from a conclusive study but i have noticed that regardless of the primacy on the front page the labour antisemitism stuff rarely cracks the top 5 most viewed even when it's the leading story. people have more or less made their minds up about the story i think?
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CoolCab posted:this is very far from a conclusive study but i have noticed that regardless of the primacy on the front page the labour antisemitism stuff rarely cracks the top 5 most viewed even when it's the leading story. It's gotta be pretty hard to still be on the fence over it.
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Michael Rosen in 'wrong kind of Jew' thread. Now blocked by Nicole Lampert who knows where he lives and is apparently a Daily Mail journalist: https://twitter.com/MichaelRosenYes Apparently she works for the S*n https://twitter.com/Strontiumdog500/status/1035640916625829888 Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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who wants to read some more guardian horseshit about what a noble and persecuted voice Frank Field is https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/31/the-guardian-view-on-frank-field-a-voice-worth-hearing quote:The inappropriate response – sadly, one that some of Mr Corbyn’s supporters leapt for – is to suggest that Mr Field is an embittered has-been who was facing deselection anyway, so an unreliable critic of the leader. quote:Mr Field’s support for Brexit is not the only way in which he has offended Labour members. He has taken positions on welfare reform (on the relationship between benefits, culture and incentives to work, for example) usually expressed by the Conservatives. After the 2010 election, he led a commission on poverty, authorised by the coalition government. That association with David Cameron is contamination enough in the eyes of some left purists. I really hope they drum him out of the party as soon as possible, there are a lot of the usual suspect oval office MPs (streeting, mann, Kinnock et al) going around saying how we should be trying to reconcile with a guy who just quit in the most intentionally disruptive manner possible and they should gently caress off too can definitely see why people start putting splitters up against walls
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Look just because he's closer to the Conservatives then Labour is no reason to deselect him from the Labour party.
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I think the longer "Jeremy Corbyn "stays in the wider public lexicon and these anti Semitism things continue to not stick, which they aren't cos, he'd have to resign and he hasn't, the better. Next election his name is entrenched with the public, he isn't useless may and.... Nothing stuck. Seems positive. Which is an awful indictment of both him and society but here we are.
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Come on, the bloke merely has such strong Conservative bona fides that the Tory PM literally asked him to do the welfare review rather tahn someone from his own party; that's no reason to suspect his Labour credentials!
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XMNN posted:who wants to read some more guardian horseshit about what a noble and persecuted voice Frank Field is I like how they say he nominated Jeremy Corbyn for leader without mentioning that he said he did that to force the Labour party to confront it's "deficit denial" after he loses badly. One of his worse bets really.
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Private Speech posted:I like how they say he nominated Jeremy Corbyn for leader without mentioning that he said he did that to force the Labour party to confront it's "deficit denial" after he loses badly. That logic was always so loving weird. Did Frank Field really think Corbyn would lose an election because the British public desperately wanted a deficit hawk? What a dope
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It really just shows how many 'veteran' Labour MPs are complete loving idiots
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That wasn't the British public, it was the labour party before they knew they didn't know
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forkboy84 posted:That logic was always so loving weird. Did Frank Field really think Corbyn would lose an election because the British public desperately wanted a deficit hawk? What a dope There is an awful lot of articles from 2015 about it if you google "Frank Field Jeremy Corbyn nomination", he wasn't shy about his views. E.g.: Birkenhead MP Frank Field defends decision to nominate Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leadership candidate quote:In a letter to the Times, Mr Field explained why he helped make it possible for Mr Corbyn to have his name on the ballot paper, arguing he wanted to force Labour to face up to the reality of the deficit but acknowledges this has “not happened”. So by all indications yes, he is that stupid. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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XMNN posted:can definitely see why people start putting splitters up against walls I remember when I was younger, reading various revolutionary histories and wondering: But why, just as the revolution was succeeding, did they suddenly choose to shoot the intellectuals, journalists and cultural commentators of their time? Regularly reading the Guardian has really clarified this for me.
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Desiderata posted:I remember when I was younger, reading various revolutionary histories and wondering: But why, just as the revolution was succeeding, did they suddenly choose to shoot the intellectuals, journalists and cultural commentators of their time? 
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It's so loving ironic that the British press is trying to push the whole "Saboteurs" and "Enemies of the people" lines about people like judges. There is no better term to describe the owners of the press of this country in particular. They are legit enemies of the people and in a just world they would be loving shot - they're responsible for so much misery, suffering and death.
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God I hate stagecoach. Bus times change tomorrow and there are no new timetables out even though the sign on the bus says to check the website. Also they hosed up the supertram track repairs and have to go back and do them again during the first two weeks of school. I have no idea what time my kid has to go to school next week.
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Desiderata posted:I remember when I was younger, reading various revolutionary histories and wondering: But why, just as the revolution was succeeding, did they suddenly choose to shoot the intellectuals, journalists and cultural commentators of their time? It is literally the only temptation of going tankie. I don't think it's sustainable, I don't think its necessary isolationism is good for it in the long term, I think that trying to do it actively reinforces capitalism around the world by giving it something it can easily rally against, but god drat I really hate journalists.
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God drat it I need to be somewhere at 8am tomorrow morning and have no idea about that either. gently caress stagecoach.
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Private Speech posted:There is an awful lot of articles from 2015 about it if you google "Frank Field Jeremy Corbyn nomination", he wasn't shy about his views. E.g.: I realise the answer is "because the British media is full of shameless pontificators spraying their biases with abandon and declaring the sodden stains the sensible middle ground," but it's really still quite infuriating that basic contextual information has never been quicker and easier for journalists to find yet is entirely ignored. On a lighter note, a cat: 
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OwlFancier posted:It is literally the only temptation of going tankie. I'd personally rather hate their bosses and paymasters and the system which allows a small group of men to control the narrative for the vast majority of media consumed in the country. One of the former great ministers of state is currently one of them for crying out loud, and he's far from the worst one. e: Although to be fair that doesn't apply to Guardian as much. Still though, journalism performs a useful and important function in modern society. Without it we would all be completely in the dark about what is going on. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Sep 1, 2018 |
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learnincurve posted:God drat it I need to be somewhere at 8am tomorrow morning and have no idea about that either. stagecoach used to charge me £22 a week to go less than five miles up the road and back. i would have to walk a full mile to get to their only bus stop and the service would routinely be 1+ hours late - on one memorable occasion 3 full hours passed before a loving bus came. some of the drivers are legitimately nice people but the management are the loving scum of the earth and they screw their drivers almost as hard as they screw commuters.
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The problem with killing reactionaries is there are no genetic indicators for being a reactionary, but mass killings definitely create reactionaries. The violence of a revolution might be necessary to loosen power that needs to be dismantled, if you keep going after you win then you're probably hosed - unequal power structures (and foreign interests) are better at using and controlling them than the revolution will be. It's the USs entire foreign policy gimmick for more than 5 decades now Murdoch and the rest can swing, sure, but if you're actually threated by dan hodges then your socialist state didnt have a chance to begin with
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Stagecoach dropped my school bus routes the day before the summer holidays ended for the pupils. In those pre-internet, pre-mobile phone days, this meant the school secretary had to spend the entire day trying to organise another bus company and contact all the parents instead of actually preparing the school for the new academic year. I'd like to think Stagecoach shrugged, but I'm not sure they even put that much effort into replying to all the complaints they got. They really don't care, and that's why they're millionaires and we are not.
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Private Speech posted:I'd personally rather hate their bosses and paymasters and the system which allows a small group of men to control the narrative for the vast majority of media consumed in the country. I've an inexhaustible well of spite, I can share.
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Spangly A posted:The problem with killing reactionaries is there are no genetic indicators for being a reactionary, but mass killings definitely create reactionaries. Yeah this is kind of what I'm saying. Most of these shitheads are actually just making a living and doing what their bosses tell them. Like I don't necessarily think that Mishal Husain for example is a rabid right-wing gently caress-knuckle (I mean, she might be) but her bosses certainly are. As with most things in capitalism it's the people at the top who are the real problem and also the ones who are least likely to face any consequences. Something to put fear into the minds of those who would gently caress the people might be good. It's like with the whole banking industry - Oh you fixed the international interest rates and made trillions from it? Welp, guess we had better fine you £100m! Oh and nobody goes to jail btw don't worry. (I don't know the specific figures that were involved with that particular issue but it does very much seem like banking fines never actually cost as much as the benefit gained from doing the dodgy thing - it's like you went and stole £100 from the tills at Tesco and you got caught by the fuzz and as a punishment they made you pay £20 back, hardly going to put you off).
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I'm not saying I literally want to see hoey, woodcock etc sent to a Siberian prison camp (well I sort of am depending on how you define want), it was more of a "I can understand why people start off with murdering people who claim to be on the same side" sentiment its the whole judas getting gnawed on by satan in the very bottom bit of hell thing
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Everyone's just trying to make a living, but the majority of people don't try to make a living by exploiting other people and actively working against their class, the ones who do are a special breed of oval office.
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XMNN posted:I'm not saying I literally want to see hoey, woodcock etc sent to a Siberian prison camp (well I sort of am depending on how you define want), it was more of a "I can understand why people start off with murdering people who claim to be on the same side" sentiment Yeah I get what you're saying. Like if it actually really came down to it I couldn't condone killing anybody, not even Dacre, but I would be WELL up for stripping all of their assets (mainly just Dacre, Barclay Bros and maybe like, Arron Banks and his disaster-capitalist chums) and throwing them in prison until death. Hoey, Penispenis and Fields are cunts but they're not quite on the same level.
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OwlFancier posted:It is literally the only temptation of going tankie. I've found myself leaning more and more towards anarchism over the course of the last year of horrendous bullshit and I don't see the attraction of condemning these idiots in revolutionary courts any more. Angry mobs are more democratic Serious talk I don't think I can stay in Labour though. I'm not going until this particular teacup hurricane has blown over but I don't think Labour or any political party is going to solve our problems ContinuityNewTimes fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Sep 1, 2018 |
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Miftan posted:One of the best current MKs is Stav Shaffir who got elected off the back of being a leading figure in the 'Cottage Protests' (about the cheese, not houses) and does very well on financial stuff. to clarify, were these protests in favour of cottage cheese or against? this is very important to whether i support them as there is clearly only one correct view on the matter
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Cottage cheese is poo poo garbage.
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:I've found myself leaning more and more towards anarchism over the course of the last year of horrendous bullshit and I don't see the attraction of condemning these idiots in revolutionary courts any more. I mean you can advocate for direct action and also voting labour? The alternative is basically accelerationism.
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You do need to be a member to ensure Labour remains worth voting for, though. I dunno it just seems weird at this point in time, when Labour is clearly becoming the most capable vehicle for direct democratic power in politics with its extraparliamentary arm being Momentum, to say "I want to quit and become an anarchist because I don't think party politics will do anything." Like are you planning on starting your own democratically directed political organization with blackjack and hookers? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Sep 1, 2018 |
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