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Aug 1, 2018 12:41
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https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1024204212853514241?s=19
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Aug 1, 2018 12:45
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This is well timed with the blueprints for those 3D printed armalites being unblocked by Trump.
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Aug 1, 2018 12:49
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Whenever I see an LBC video these days it's usually someone struggling to say something entertainingly stupid, but getting drowned out by the host talking over them
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Aug 1, 2018 12:50
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Ann Black over Izzard, no? I don't have my booklet to hand, remind me? Also I picked Izzard because they're usually the next-highest-voted person in these things.
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Aug 1, 2018 12:54
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I've seen Stephen Guy floated as an alternative to Willsman. He's got the endorsement of the Durham Miners so seems sound enough. https://twitter.com/DurhamMiners/status/1023600257668661248
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Aug 1, 2018 12:54
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Sanford posted:
Not that I personally am looking to move jobs, but you might want to provide even a teensy tiny hint of what it is that his company actually does  . Like, I'm a senior developer who mostly does C++ on Linux and currently ANSI C on a microcontroller. I would be a very poor choice to write you a website or something, though.
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Aug 1, 2018 12:55
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Computer touchers!
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Tesseraction posted:Yeah I've already voted for him, sadly. Not the end of the of the world if he loses but I'm just worried that little poo poo Akehurst could take the top spot, hence me suggesting Izzard as the 9th. To be even more honest, I'm still not even 100% sure it was the wrong call: I'm not convinced he was being antisemitic, and it's not like pandering to the obvious bad faith accusations that've been bandied about has accomplished anything (or ever will). This has been going on for so long now that nobody's mind is gonna be changed at this point, whatever they think of the issue, and the right aren't gonna stop banging this drum no matter what, so all that can be done is genuine, good faith efforts to stamp out actual antisemitism. (I am open to the suggestion that he might actually have done an antisemitism though, but as far as I'm aware "Trump supporters" is not a Jewish stereotype and wanting evidence before acting when there's so much bullshit flying around is not an unfair suggestion. If I and others did accidentally vote for an antisemite when we could have known better, that's pretty much an obvious and foreseeable consequence of the right wing flagrantly arguing in bad faith on the subject, and I genuinely hope the matter is looked into and properly dealt with)
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Aug 1, 2018 12:58
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feedmegin posted:Not that I personally am looking to move jobs, but you might want to provide even a teensy tiny hint of what it is that his company actually does Yeah unfortunately beyond "C++ and SQL" I am largely in the dark. I think they are focused on BI and bespoke product development for very large organisations, as outsourced development for internal projects. I told him I'd ask, and I have done so!
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Aug 1, 2018 12:58
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Borrovan posted:tbh I voted Willsman literally yesterday morning, after hearing about his rant. It was early & I was groggy, and it sounded a lot like the story was "omg he asked for EVIDENCE how antisemitic is that", so I pretty much just checked the box out of spite. Yeah to be honest I don't think it's the end of the world if he gets in, but I think him saying "I've never seen any anti-Semitism" makes for a really bad take on the situation. To be honest I'm just sick of this 'scandal'
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Aug 1, 2018 13:01
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baka kaba posted:Whenever I see an LBC video these days it's usually someone struggling to say something entertainingly stupid, but getting drowned out by the host talking over them At least it's not another video of James O'Brien doing his big overblown disbelief that the right wing even exists while cashing cheques from the same station that gives Farage airtime.
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Aug 1, 2018 13:02
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Jose posted:tommy robinson has been freed I hope that now that this miscarriage of justice has been cleared up he can go on to make a new series of Time Team.
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Aug 1, 2018 13:05
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Tesseraction posted:Yeah to be honest I don't think it's the end of the world if he gets in, but I think him saying "I've never seen any anti-Semitism" makes for a really bad take on the situation. To be honest I'm just sick of this 'scandal' It seems to be the latest weapon in media-induced despair. There's no way out of it, it's just a war of attrition that will probably dog the labour party till Corbyn is no longer leader.
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Aug 1, 2018 13:05
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Obliterati posted:In seriousness it's just the latest process cult except now you can make a living pretending it's a real thing "A scrum master is the facilitator for an agile development team. " so when you're doing your programming you need to be able to run 100m at the same time. I am the proud owner of a now-expired Black Belt Six Sigma certification. I can high-karate kick you a gaussian at a moments notice  These things are just ways of screwing money out of companies. In fact, last year I resigned from my professional body because not only was the membership sub getting increasingly huge (over $300) but they were ever more demanding more and more certification and re-certification and in my freelancing activities noone has ever, once, asked to see any proof whatsoever that I have any qualifications at all. [ed: it's a non-regulated profession and any professional bodies and so forth are voluntary] Does anyone remember years ago seeing a documentary where Jocky Wilson was involved in an experiment to see who would pay out lots of money for some kind of darts-based Jocky Wilson authorised management training thing? (It wasn't a scam - it was an experiment to see who would fall for it). Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Aug 1, 2018 |
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Aug 1, 2018 13:06
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Borrovan posted:(I am open to the suggestion that he might actually have done an antisemitism though, but as far as I'm aware "Trump supporters" is not a Jewish stereotype and wanting evidence before acting when there's so much bullshit flying around is not an unfair suggestion. If I and others did accidentally vote for an antisemite when we could have known better, that's pretty much an obvious and foreseeable consequence of the right wing flagrantly arguing in bad faith on the subject, and I genuinely hope the matter is looked into and properly dealt with) As far as I'm concerned the only thing he did wrong was specify "Jewish" Trump supporters. We all know the right wing is making this a huge attack campaign and plenty of non-Jews are involved in that as well. We can acknowledge the collusion involved without blaming it all on the Jews.
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Aug 1, 2018 13:07
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TomViolence posted:It seems to be the latest weapon in media-induced despair. There's no way out of it, it's just a war of attrition that will probably dog the labour party till Corbyn is no longer leader. Oh well beyond that. A lot of the organisations in this absolutely despise the left and will never let this go.
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Aug 1, 2018 13:08
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I think one person has died every year its been run. A lot of heart attacks on Leith and box hill.
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Aug 1, 2018 13:09
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https://twitter.com/zachjourno/status/1024580520892674049
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Aug 1, 2018 13:13
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I’m feeling pretty loving despondent over this row now that Corbyn has apologised for hosting an event eight years ago. The Today programme had a loving gleeful Nick Robinson attempting his best gotcha at it followed up by fuckin John Mann all but saying Corbyn should resign. By actually apologising for it, it feels like he’s just granted legitimacy to the worst loving weaponised parts of the whole affair while doing nothing to actually combat any antisemites within the party. I fear the end of the good times is coming for the party and that the cunts will win.
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Aug 1, 2018 13:15
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The Labour Right are definitely going to use this issue as the pretext for their split. Luciana Berger could barely keep the smirk off her face on Sky News yesterday when she said she's always believed in the values of the Labour party but if things continue as they are now ...
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Aug 1, 2018 13:22
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The correct response would have been to just say 'Just what in the holocaust survivors statements do you disagree with?'
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Aug 1, 2018 13:23
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multijoe posted:The Labour Right are definitely going to use this issue as the pretext for their split. Luciana Berger could barely keep the smirk off her face on Sky News yesterday when she said she's always believed in the values of the Labour party but if things continue as they are now ... I will find their faces when they lose the next election after the split sexually gratifying.
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Aug 1, 2018 13:24
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I'm hoping they're stupid enough not to split and mandatory reselection comes back
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Aug 1, 2018 13:24
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Don’t base your idea of where voters are at on what the news reports. If you did that currently David Cameron would be enjoying a 200 seat majority over opposition leader Yvette Cooper, casually dismantling every social program he can find after finally healing his party by ending the Brexit question with a definitive Remain vote. There’s been no real evidence people could give less of a poo poo about these stories and Corbyn’s endured a lot worse. The next election will be fought on material concerns, not if Corbyn hosted a meeting five years ago with a Auschwitz survivor who hates what Israel is doing.
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Aug 1, 2018 13:27
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Labour will probably be fine if theres a split. If there is one thing that Corbyn has been consistently successful at, its beating Labour centrists in elections.
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Aug 1, 2018 13:30
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I’m not worried about what the public perception is, I’m worried about what the media onslaught and plp cuntery is likely to do to the leadership. I know the guy has persevered through the worst infighting and betrayals within the party but this feels so coordinated and relentless that I can’t help but see it finally taking its toll and forcing a resignation. If it forces a centrist splitter party then loving good, saves us hoping for mandatory reselection and the melts can fade into obscurity, but they can’t all be that loving thick to imagine that’s a viable option.
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Aug 1, 2018 13:32
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Always bet on centrists massively overstating their own popularity
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Aug 1, 2018 13:34
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Corbyn resigning and tagging in his good friend John McDonnell once the internal democracy reforms are through wouldn't be the worst outcome in the world if it comes to that
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Aug 1, 2018 13:35
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Sanitary Naptime posted:but they can’t all be that loving thick Maybe this time hellworld works for the many.
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Aug 1, 2018 13:35
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Sanitary Naptime posted:I’m not worried about what the public perception is, I’m worried about what the media onslaught and plp cuntery is likely to do to the leadership. I know the guy has persevered through the worst infighting and betrayals within the party but this feels so coordinated and relentless that I can’t help but see it finally taking its toll and forcing a resignation. Corbyn's been taking poo poo for his politics for over 30 years, I don't see him giving up now
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Aug 1, 2018 13:38
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multijoe posted:Corbyn resigning and tagging in his good friend John McDonnell once the internal democracy reforms are through wouldn't be the worst outcome in the world if it comes to that they will fight tooth and nail against said reforms for that reason exactly
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Aug 1, 2018 13:39
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Come Conference there’s some really sweet leadership race changes going on that will make a left choice easy to get on there ballot every time and that’s the only rule change I’ve followed. There’s likely more good poo poo on the way The party is being changed to be less hostile to left leadership every year and Corbyn isn’t going to walk away now.
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Aug 1, 2018 13:40
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Dumb Agile stuff If you really want your brain to melt, check out ITIL: six hundred pages of processes and subprocesses that are 100% critical to doing IT, except not one of these involves writing code E: for bonus marks, note it was a civil service managment philosophy that was privatised and bought by noted IT deliverers, Capita
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Aug 1, 2018 13:43
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Fans posted:Come Conference there’s some really sweet leadership race changes going on that will make a left choice easy to get on there ballot every time and that’s the only rule change I’ve followed. There’s likely more good poo poo on the way If he is smart he will walk away once those rules are in place. By handing over the reigns to someone else on the left he won't have to deal with any of this nonsense. Someone else taking over would immediately disarm all the critics yet still have Labour on the same message and would piss off Phillips etc even more. This is assuming he hands over to one of the newer MP's and not McDonnell / Abbott. Its not like the party is short of other left wing MP's after all.
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Aug 1, 2018 13:54
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i want to see mcdonnell gulag his enemies though
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Aug 1, 2018 13:57
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multijoe posted:Corbyn resigning and tagging in his good friend John McDonnell once the internal democracy reforms are through wouldn't be the worst outcome in the world if it comes to that God, could you imagine? It'd be a (metaphorical, possibly a bit literal) blood bath
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Aug 1, 2018 14:00
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Jose posted:I'm hoping they're stupid enough not to split and mandatory reselection comes back Mann is another right-of-Blair oval office, probably the least poo poo of the brexiteer rebel four but honestly that's not a competition that's easy to win. Notably he thought Brown was too left-wing too, and, uhh, no. e: Like Skinner and whoever was that woman MP from Manchester who supported Leave I'm fine with, at least they are principled if nothing else. But then they also weren't the ones voting to keep May in. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Aug 1, 2018 |
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Aug 1, 2018 14:02
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ukle posted:If he is smart he will do once those rules are in place. Stepping down due to this only proves that these tactics work, and gives a great incentive for the papers to keep using them on every last replacement who admits to be left of Blair. Don't forget the press treatment Milliband got for such heinous crimes as eating a sandwich and having a Jewish father. Do you really think this all goes away with a different left wing leader?
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Aug 1, 2018 14:03
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Sanitary Naptime posted:I’m feeling pretty loving despondent.. This is coming at a crunch time- the general populace are starting to look down and realise that, yep, we are in freefall- brexit is going to fall apart in ways we can't imagine. So the tory machine is in full swing to have anyone look at anything else other than how they spent the last 2 years playing soggy biscuit rather than come up with a brexit plan more detailed than "trucks can wait on the motorways, use the army to deliver things, they have helicopters". Good lord, I almost don't blame them for wanting to avoid that reality. Plp scumbags are feeling ever more pressure and they know the prospect of mandatory reselection would have most of them out on their arse come a GE. The efforts to establish a centrist party have failed hillariously each time. They know the time is running out and that's made them ever more desperate. The israeli government is also seemingly planning another murderous rampage and that has always brought up an internet commenting machine- hasbara were organised and doing this poo poo back on icq and msn messenger times. They know corbyn is a contender and they know that foreign policy between the uk and israel would have a significant shift if he gets in. Then, I also think that the same assets behind trump/bannon are in on it too- without much doubt in my mind. The same trolls I discussed this morning in the old thread (rip) all had plenty of trump boosting poo poo, and fits the same strategic purposes. Its an intense storm of poo poo, but its the same poo poo weathered for years now. It's not going to swing voters not already swung. Hold the line comrade. I'm not happy that corbs apologised either- But don't lose hope right now, because it's a close run thing. If the clp members get deselection powers, thats the final stake in the heart of the blairite plp. Game over for them. They defect, go indy (lol) or more likely just "retire" into cushy directorships and frequent appearances in the commentariat. If that happens/kicks in before the next GE?  There would be a fighting chance we can watch the right split three ways and significantly damaged, brexit kicked so far down the road/neutered/stopped altogether and a actual left wing government in power. Obviously we still doomed etc but at least wait till it's actually the apocalypse before giving up.
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