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golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

It's telling that cars even have a special part of the legal code for killing people. If you kill someone because you were distracted by a text message, that's negligent homicide. But if you do the exact same crime in a car, that's vehicular homicide.

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golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

https://twitter.com/JosephPolitano/status/1680003037316743168
https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/current/index.html

The whole thing about mass vacancy doesn't really pan out except at the absolute extremes of the ultra-high end. That's not landlords, but foreign oligarchs trying to park money in the US. For those oligarchs, they would turn up their noses in disgust at mere $1-2 million houses/condos. Landlords want high occupancy because that's money in their pocket. You can't get desperate high salary renters if they have another option, and if you think Zillow is successfully running a housing conspiracy let me remind you Zillow lost $881 million trying to flip houses in 2021. How did they even manage to lose money flipping houses in 2021? Property values were going to the moon back then!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/zillows-shuttered-home-flipping-business-lost-881-million-in-2021-11644529656

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

Shrecknet posted:

How do you square this with the fact there are more vacant homes than homeless people currently? Are we discounting every home that isn't in an A-tier city? Are the homes in West Plattsburg, PA (pop 436) just not viable as housing to put people in?

(FWIW this is my take, we need more people living on less land closer together rather than suburban sprawl and blight. Close down towns and revert control to the counties, unincorporate these places and tell people they no longer get services. Buy out their homes, eminent domain them and get them to move in to the cities.)


It's not about forcing people to do anything, but letting their existing preferences come out. The vast majority of California homeless have spent years living in California before becoming homeless. They spent a couple years renting before personal disasters or issues caused them to lose housing, or they grew up in California, lost housing elsewhere, and then decided being homeless back "home" is better than being homeless somewhere else.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/06/us/homeless-population.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/07/california-homelessness-housing-crisis/674737/

quote:

90 percent [of surveyed California homeless] lost their last housing in California, and 75 percent lost it in the same county where they were experiencing homelessness. Of the 10 percent who came from elsewhere, 30 percent were born in California. Most of the others had familial or employment ties, or had previously lived in the state.

Who are we to force the homeless to go live in West Plattsburg, PA when they clearly don't want to? To force people to abandon friends and families to live in a rural building hundreds, sometimes thousands of miles away.

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

Cicero posted:

A very large percentage of homeless people have serious mental illness or substance abuse issues, such that putting them in random homes will likely end poorly. So many are not in a good place mentally to take care of a regular home, either as a cause or effect of homelessness, this is something that shelters are equipped to deal with that standard apartments or houses are not. We need to build a lot more emergency/temporary housing that's explicitly designed to help people who are currently homeless and may need heavy support.

So boarding houses basically. The old boarding houses had some issues, but they were certainly cheap and many famous people spent some of their lives in a boarding house. But urban reformers and suburban advocates gradually pushed them out. By the late 70s, boarding houses had become basically illegal in most of the US. I can see an argument for bringing them back, but if you think the respectable locals hate apartments, you haven't seen anything yet. The vitriol that will be thrown against any new boarding house will be through the stratosphere.

Freakazoid_ posted:

What I don't get about housing prices is who's really affording it? Who is actually living in these homes and how can they afford these obscene prices?

Also, the recent wave of remote workers have done a number on the last bastion of cheap housing. Certain rural areas became gentrified very quickly as speculators beat those remote workers to the punch, robbing both the local community of affordable living and preventing remote workers from seeing an appreciable savings.

https://www.nar.realtor/research-and-statistics/research-reports/home-buyer-and-seller-generational-trends

Mostly people who already have homes. First-time homebuyers have dropped to 26% of purchases, down from ~40% first time homebuyers just a few years ago. A lot of this is people buying in less hellish-ly expensive markets. But in the most extreme markets (cities that are so goddamn expensive that they are losing new-ish college grads), the only ways are to be a DINK with two six-figures+ incomes OR rely in big gifts from family OR be an older family that already has property. And boomer money is a big part of it. The average age of a homebuyer is up to 47 years old, and it's increasing every year. In the most extreme markets, even DINKs with two six-figures incomes struggle to buy without help from mommy and daddy. And that's exactly why the affordability crisis is trickling down from the top tier cities to the second and third tier cities. Two people making $110k/year might struggle to buy a Bay Area house or San Diego house, but they sure as hell can afford to outbid the typical Philadelphian or Atlantian.

https://www.homecity.com/blog/the-average-age-to-buy-a-house/

golden bubble fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Aug 3, 2023

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

https://twitter.com/pushtheneedle/status/1697272553197498735

And now the NYC office of planning has it's offices inside this very building that is technically illegal to build today under their own ordinances. Today's monstrous eyesores are tomorrow's beloved landmarks.

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

https://twitter.com/realEstateTrent/status/1704147987868307868

It's a very long tweet, but he actually has a point. The typical stroad (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroad https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018/3/1/whats-a-stroad-and-why-does-it-matter), is such a miserable experience for anyone who's not a car addict that it won't get enough business to support a store without masses of parking. Unless they change the stroad into a proper street or a proper road, any retail on it actually needs masses of wasteful parking space, because the terrible stroad design demands it.

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

https://passivehouseaccelerator.com/articles/testing-mass-timber-s-seismic-resilience

Honestly very impressive how good it is.

quote:

After approximately 100 individual tests, including four simulated earthquakes that achieved shaking intensities up to 7.7 on the Richter scale and predicted to occur on average once every 2,500 years, the [10 story mass timber] building remains not just plumb, but with only cosmetic, non-structural damage.

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

https://twitter.com/CSElmendorf/status/1785127024555958284
https://twitter.com/CSElmendorf/status/1785127026942415253
https://twitter.com/CSElmendorf/status/1785127046756343980
https://twitter.com/quantian1/status/1785150269606576275

What do the people want? To make housing more affordable through supporting laws that make housing ungodly expensive.

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golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

PT6A posted:

Bonus points if you talk about shoving the unfortunate into shipping containers, which is also a recurring theme for some unknowable reason.

Because people look at the giant pile of used shipping containers and think they can come up with another way to reuse the waste even though they've never worked with shipping containers before. The people who have experience know most of the worthwhile uses are already done, and that shipping containers have a lot of issues for the other uses because they are made as cheaply as possible.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/article/2024/may/06/netherlands-amsterdam-next-level-housing-crisis

Here's a reminder that it's not just the anglosphere that has this housing crisis. Good old Amsterdam also has NIMBYs, a government that decided they only need to subsidize demand for housing and not support building additional housing for decades, and a housing crisis bad enough that there is a mass of fully employed homeless people.

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