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Oh, good call there. The "even a stinker like Hitler" quote is one of the most comically horrible things I've ever read.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Oh, good call there. The "even a stinker like Hitler" quote is one of the most comically horrible things I've ever read. Yes, it's an amazingly crass quote.
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Didn't Roald Dahl also write porn novels and stuff?
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Shibawanko posted:Didn't Roald Dahl also write porn novels and stuff? Kinda. You're probably thinking of books like Switch Bitch and My Uncle Oswald. Whether you consider them porn depends on where you draw the line between "porn" and "dumb sex comedy"; either way, they're fairly Neanderthal in their treatment of women.
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Liquid Communism posted:Orson Scott Card was, like many rich white previously-Democrat voting men, driven batshit crazy by Obama being elected and went so far as to write this: Im glad he prefaced this with being a sf fantasy writer so I didn't have to bother reading any of it
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Two of my otherwise-favourite authors had some very noticeable anti-Semitism going on, even for their era: Dostoevsky, who thought it was really important to include an unsympathetic comedy bit with a Jewish night-watchman right at the climax of Crime & Punishment. GK Chesterton, who created a whole plot point in The Man Who Was Thursday where a decadent, cruel, generically-swarthy villain who 'might be a Jew' is happily revealed to be a wholesome blonde English hero just wearing a mask.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You, the person reading this I wrote a paper on feline urology.
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I don't think it's fair to take a negative aspect of an individual and extrapolate that because they had a bad viewpoint, or huge character flaws, that they are intrinsically a bad person. Philip K. Dick was a sexist speedfreak. Raymond Carver and Hemingway were drunks. Bukowski was a drunk wife-beater. Harlan Ellison was an arrogant and juvenile prick. Lovecraft and Tolkien were racist. But are they, taken as a whole individual, bad people? Even if a writer is a horrible person, by my estimation, that doesn't discredit the positive aspects of their being, or their work. I mean, William Burroughs was an intensely evil person in my estimation. A thieving pedophilic junky who murdered his wife... Jean Genet, similar. Louis Celine, arguably a Nazi sympathizer. Hunter Thompson, a rageaholic, woman beating, coke fiend who shoots guns at his neighbors and collects snuff films. Still like their work. It still has merit. There are still positive aspects to them. God Of Paradise fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Aug 27, 2018 |
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God Of Paradise posted:Philip K. Dick was a sexist speedfreak. Raymond Carver and Hemingway were drunks. Bukowski was a drunk wife-beater. Harlan Ellison was an arrogant and juvenile prick. Lovecraft and Tolkien were racist. But are they, taken as a whole individual, bad people? yes
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I'll defend Carver and Dick as actually being good human beings with flaws. The others are questionable.
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is the assumption that you get bad person cooties from reading things by bad people, or is this more of a miasma theory of ethics
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There are people who think Oscar Wilde was a bad person for being a gay opium addict. There are people that think Kurt Vonnegut was a bad person for being an anti-war leftist. Rampant stonecasting, moral judgements, and the constant need to label individuals as worthless for disagreeing with them, in my book, is a tell-tale sign of a bad person.
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What profound insight or life experience does a moral stalwart have on the human condition?
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only bad people make good art op
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God Of Paradise posted:Louis Celine, arguably a Nazi sympathizer.
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God Of Paradise posted:There are people who think Oscar Wilde was a bad person for being a gay opium addict. There are people that think Kurt Vonnegut was a bad person for being an anti-war leftist.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Get a load of this chickenshit. Wikipedia posted:Before the war, Céline campaigned for an alliance between France and Nazi Germany. In L'École des cadavres he contrasted Hitler with the French Communist party leader Maurice Thorez, writing: Yeah, "arguably a Nazi sympathizer" is an understatement. Fun fact: the absurd illogic of the antisemitic ravings in Trifles for a Massacre, combined with Céline's reputation as a great writer, led some people at the time to read it as a satrical anti-anti-semitic novel. Then School of Corpses came out and they realized that the irrational hatred was sincere. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Aug 27, 2018 |
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i agree w/ the really smart person, sometimes being against things that are bad also means your a bad person
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celine was too unpleasant for the french, which is itself a lifetime achievement
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God Of Paradise posted:There are people who think Oscar Wilde was a bad person for being a gay opium addict. There are people that think Kurt Vonnegut was a bad person for being an anti-war leftist. They're right
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book barn poster surveying the fertile plains of european literature, awash with homosexuality, pedophilia, antisemitism, stupid contrarianism, and long sentences about living in the garbage: this isn't win. it's bad somehow. i'm a very smart adult man
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A human heart posted:book barn poster surveying the fertile plains of european literature, awash with homosexuality, pedophilia, antisemitism, stupid contrarianism, and long sentences about living in the garbage: this isn't win. it's bad somehow. i'm a very smart adult man lol there sure are a lot of apologists for *checks notes* everything anyone ever did wrong as long as they wrote a book
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:lol there sure are a lot of apologists for *checks notes* everything anyone ever did wrong as long as they wrote a book This but unironically
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the demiurge cleaved us from the unitary godhead and doomed us to inhabit the illusory realm of form and division
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Mervyn Peake was too lazy to finish his epic fantasy series.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Mervyn Peake was too lazy to finish his epic fantasy series. *Muffled anguished screaming*
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Mervyn Peake was too lazy to finish his epic fantasy series.
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With Chesterton that might be a veiled Christ reference. Everything might be with him, though. I'd want more data.
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The author of Mein Kampf I heard he killed a bunch of people or something.
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Ulio posted:The author of Mein Kampf I heard he killed a bunch of people or something. he was also arguably a nazi sympathizer
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loving Franz Kafka leaving orders that his manuscripts be destroyed after his death. YOU DINGUS!
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Depending on your personal tastes James Joyce might have been a bad man because of his depraved fart slut habits.
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JebanyPedal posted:Depending on your personal tastes James Joyce might have been a bad man because of his depraved fart slut habits. i dunno man we have nazis in this thread james joyce loving farts and asses kind of owns compared to that
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George Bernard Shaw wasn't a Nazi but he was pro-Hitler.
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Wheat Loaf posted:George Bernard Shaw wasn't a Nazi but he was pro-Hitler. Was he pro-Hitler or just anti-British? The Irish and Indians were all about Hitler for that reason
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That might have been so but I'm not sure. He also admired Stalin and Mussolini and believed that eugenics was good science and a viable basis for policy.
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Wheat Loaf posted:That might have been so but I'm not sure. He also admired Stalin and Mussolini and believed that eugenics was good science and a viable basis for policy. Yeah, Shaw had some hosed up authoritarian attitudes. George Orwell, "Second Thoughts on James Burnham" posted:The only exception I am able to think of is Bernard Shaw, who, for some years at any rate, declared Communism and Fascism to be much the same thing, and was in favour of both of them. Orwell himself deserves a mention here for how appallingly sexist he could be sometimes. Orwell, regarding Joseph Conrad posted:One of the surest signs of his genius is that women dislike his books.
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:i dunno man we have nazis in this thread james joyce loving farts and asses kind of owns compared to that It can be argued that his odes to fart lust were his greatest works.
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JebanyPedal posted:It can be argued that his odes to fart lust were his greatest works. people knock joyce for these but that's mostly because his letters were the ones to survive. nora apparently was just as filthy in her own correspondences.
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