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Wheat Loaf posted:That might have been so but I'm not sure. He also admired Stalin and Mussolini and believed that eugenics was good science and a viable basis for policy. Most of those guys/stuff are bad, but Stalin was good.
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JebanyPedal posted:Depending on your personal tastes James Joyce might have been a bad man because of his depraved fart slut habits.
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Silver2195 posted:Yeah, Shaw had some hosed up authoritarian attitudes. At the same time, I believe that the majority of people support totalitarianism in principle, provided the dictator is from "their" side, so I suppose it's not as odd as one may suppose.  I don't think Bernard Shaw ever held himself out as a democrat, did he?
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What's wrong with authoritarianism?
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To respond to "do you get bad person cooties" seriously - in the case of Marion Zimmer Bradley I can't pick up one of her works without thinking about her pedophilia and child abuse and that just ruins the read. It's a kind of similar situation as Piers Anthony, except that - I don't know if he actually did anything. I do know that he wrote pedophilia into at least one of his books and had the characters defend it as love.
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you should never pick up a marion zimmer bradley book irrespective of the fact that she's a child rapist problem solved
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"sadly my appreciation of the book where king arthur jacks off while watching lancelot cuckold him with guinevere was tarnished by the knowledge that the author was some kind of sex weirdo"
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Yeah, Le Morte d'Arthur and its rapist author are weird
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Yeah, Le Morte d'Arthur and its rapist author are weird I already mentioned that one.
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I really don't understand the point of all this really. Just because someone has done one or two bad things when they have provided so much doesn't make them bad, just human. Pobodys nerfect after all, right? You also have to look at the context of the time as well. It was perfectly normal to believe fascism is good and believe in phrenology in the 30s. These were widespread popular beliefs after all. You just have to remember it was a different time where what was acceptable back then isn't today. I just think that the call-out culture has gone to far and is really finding any reason to drag anyone semi popular into the dirt just to make yourselves feel superior. All I'm saying is that maybe we should have a bit more care over who we go after because without these people we wouldn't have the media we enjoy today. Without kevin spacey 21 wouldn't have been a hit movie, no fascism means no Mishima, no pedophiles means no sa moderators
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jagstag posted:believe in phrenology in the 30s 
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Maybe the 1830s.
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jagstag posted:Without kevin spacey 21 wouldn't have been a hit movie Truly the darkest timeline.
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Alhazred posted:
uh the early 2000s.
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I don't think jagstag's post was serious, but it wasn't really funny either. Lukewarm.
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Silver2195 posted:Orwell himself deserves a mention here for how appallingly sexist he could be sometimes. Orwell's greatest crimes were snitching and sharing his odious tea advice.
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Orwell's old columns are fun to mine for bad takes in general, so long as you bear in mind that the vast majority of op-ed writers, tweetmongers, and other "public intellectuals," both then and now, probably generally have a worse ratio of bad to good takes than Orwell did.quote:The immunity of the civilian, one of the things that have made war possible, has been shattered. Unlike Miss Brittain, I don't regret that. I can't feel that war is ‘humanized’ by being confined to the slaughter of the young and becomes ‘barbarous’ when the old get killed as well. Having received some criticism for this take, Orwell doubled down in a subsequent column: quote:The other thing that needs dealing with is the parrot cry "killing women and children." I pointed out before, but evidently it needs repeating, that it is probably somewhat better to kill a cross-section of the population than to kill only the young men. If the figures published by the Germans are true, and we have really killed 1,200,000 civilians in our raids, that loss of life has probably harmed the German race somewhat less than a corresponding loss on the Russian front or in Africa and Italy. He also wrote a column called "In Defense of English Cooking." Edit: Don't forget this one: quote:There are also the hairtonic adverts which tell you how Daphne got promotion in the W.A.A.F.S. (women's auxiliary air force) thanks to the neatness and glossiness of her hair. But these are misleading as well as whorish, for I seldom or never pass a group of officers in the W.A.A.F.S., A.T.S. or W.R.E.N.S. (women's royal naval service) without having cause to reflect that at any rate, promotion in the women's service has nothing to do with looks. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Sep 5, 2018 |
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Silver2195 posted:He also wrote a column called "In Defense of English Cooking."
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More amusing Orwell hot takes:quote:Sometimes it is necessary to take over a foreign word, but in that case we should anglicize its pronunciation, as our ancestors used to do. If we really need the word ‘café’ (we got on well enough with ‘coffee house’ for two hundred years), it should either be spelled ‘caffay’ or pronounced ‘cayfe’. ‘Garage’ should be pronounced ‘garridge’. For what point is there in littering our speech with fragments of foreign pronunciation, very tiresome to anyone who does not happen to have learned that particular language?
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Ye gods I would love to reanimate him and show him kids speaking MLE, he'd absolutely do his nut PS: "caff" and "garridge" are totally mainstream down my ends, cuz
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Silver2195 posted:He also wrote a column called "In Defense of English Cooking." 
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Dante Alighieri deserves a mention in this thread for his political opinions, as described by James Burnham in "Dante: Politics as Wish." (Burnham had awful politics of his own - which brings us back to Orwell, who discussed those in "Second Thoughts on James Burnham.") In his De Monarchia Dante, who was bitter about being exiled from Florence for his support of the relatively pro-HRE Bianchi faction, argued that the Holy Roman Emperor should rule the entire world.
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Plato complained about the invention of writing, which a lot of posters in this very thread appear to be big fans of such debauchery. He also complained about kids enjoying loud music and they should get off his lawn.
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Comstar posted:Plato complained about the invention of writing, which a lot of posters in this very thread appear to be big fans of such debauchery. He was a wise man.
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If Plato had been alive today he would probably write a lot of articles about the difference between ephebophilia and pedophilia.
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Silver2195 posted:Dante Alighieri deserves a mention in this thread for his political opinions, as described by James Burnham in "Dante: Politics as Wish." (Burnham had awful politics of his own - which brings us back to Orwell, who discussed those in "Second Thoughts on James Burnham.") In his De Monarchia Dante, who was bitter about being exiled from Florence for his support of the relatively pro-HRE Bianchi faction, argued that the Holy Roman Emperor should rule the entire world. On many occasions Dante would profess anti-papal views.
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quote:The first major scandal occurred on Easter Sunday in 1768, in which Sade procured the services of a woman, Rose Keller,[16] a widow-beggar who approached him for alms. He told her she could make money by working for him—she understood her work to be that of a housekeeper. At his chateau at Arcueil, Sade ripped her clothes off, threw her on a divan and tied her by the four limbs, face-down, so that she could not see behind her. Then he whipped her. Keller testified that he made various incisions on her body into which he poured hot wax, although investigators found no broken skin on Keller, and Sade explained that he had applied ointment to her after the whipping. Keller finally escaped by climbing out of a second-floor window and running away. The Sade family paid the maid to keep her quiet but the wave of social embarrassment made Sade drift off into the edges of society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_de_Sade#Scandals_and_imprisonment Also, Schopenhauer pushed a maid down a flight of stairs.
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Marx was a communist.
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The Marquis De Sade died of a heart attack buttfucking a 16 year old maid in a closet.
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God Of Paradise posted:The Marquis De Sade died of a heart attack buttfucking a 16 year old maid in a closet. wrong thread
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chernobyl kinsman posted:wrong thread I know it's considered cool to make half-joking contrarian remarks here, but sexually exploiting people in subordinate positions is, in fact, bad.
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Trying to think of something that Stalin could do that would make him bad.
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he could sexually exploit someone in a subordinate position
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Yukio Mishima trained an army of impressionable nerds to stage a homoerotic fantasy
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G.K. Chesterton, J.R.R. Tolkien, Hilaire Belloc and others were known agents of a foreign power.
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Shibawanko posted:Yukio Mishima trained an army of impressionable nerds to stage a homoerotic fantasy yeah but that owned tho
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Like you idiots need to stop handwringing about awesome poo poo Tricking a bunch of virgins to stage a cosplay revolution that ends in your own decapitation is radical and morally just
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Like you idiots need to stop handwringing about awesome poo poo That poo poo was hilarious. The crowd below the balcony where he kidnapped the general of the defunct army thought he was doing a comedic publicity stunt. Then he had this long suicide note he planned on penning when his bowels were falling out. All he was able to write was the kanji for "sword," before his lover took 6 swings to lop off his head. Mishima was an excellent writer though. In the spirit of this thread, he was sexually attracted to the torture and murder of young men, which is hosed up even if you don't act on it.
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God Of Paradise posted:
Dont kinkshame op
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God Of Paradise posted:That poo poo was hilarious. The crowd below the balcony where he kidnapped the general of the defunct army thought he was doing a comedic publicity stunt. Then he had this long suicide note he planned on penning when his bowels were falling out. All he was able to write was the kanji for "sword," before his lover took 6 swings to lop off his head. Mishima was an excellent writer though. There's a part in Temple of Dawn where a weird and clearly unsympathetic character shows up who's supposed to be a representative of another Japanese author (i forgot who) who has this entire fantasy world where young men get tortured to death and their memories worshipped by gross old men that I always took to mean that he thought those kinds of fetishes actually disgusted him if they became too literal or something.
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