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Ayn Rand followed her own philosophy and left her husband for somebody new.
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Shibawanko posted:There's a part in Temple of Dawn where a weird and clearly unsympathetic character shows up who's supposed to be a representative of another Japanese author (i forgot who) who has this entire fantasy world where young men get tortured to death and their memories worshipped by gross old men that I always took to mean that he thought those kinds of fetishes actually disgusted him if they became too literal or something. As I recall that dude literally was speaking of Mishimas own aesthetics. Like, even down to the idea of dying when still young so beauty is preserved.
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Sep 14, 2018 01:39
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Mel Mudkiper posted:As I recall that dude literally was speaking of Mishimas own aesthetics. Like, even down to the idea of dying when still young so beauty is preserved. Was he pickled?
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Sep 14, 2018 01:55
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mishima did nothing wrong
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Sep 14, 2018 03:54
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Tree Goat posted:mishima did nothing wrong
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Sep 14, 2018 04:55
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Sep 14, 2018 09:58
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Tree Goat posted:mishima did nothing wrong He hosed up his sudoku poem.
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Sep 14, 2018 19:36
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Mel Mudkiper posted:As I recall that dude literally was speaking of Mishimas own aesthetics. Like, even down to the idea of dying when still young so beauty is preserved. No, he was supposed to be a caricature of this guy i think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatsuhiko_Shibusawa , I haven't read anything by him though but he translated de Sade, which makes sense in context. I think the point was that in the "land of the pomegranate" fiction of the character the eroticism had no real idealism and was just a fetish while Mishima clearly felt it wasn't complete without a political dimension
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Sep 14, 2018 19:48
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Wheat Loaf posted:G.K. Chesterton, J.R.R. Tolkien, Hilaire Belloc and others were known agents of a foreign power. I suppose God is technically a foreign power.
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Sep 15, 2018 05:41
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Shibawanko posted:Yukio Mishima trained an army of impressionable nerds to stage a homoerotic fantasy Nerds? Excuse me but I've read some Mishima and I'm pretty certain every one of them would have been lithely muscled with magnificently hairy armpits and, ideally, illiterate.
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Sep 15, 2018 18:22
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:With Chesterton that might be a veiled Christ reference. Everything might be with him, though. I'd want more data. I seem to remember reading his opinions on how Jews could never be English, and should be forced to wear ethnic-specific clothing.
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Sep 16, 2018 10:08
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Samovar posted:I seem to remember reading his opinions on how Jews could never be English, and should be forced to wear ethnic-specific clothing. Chesterton definitely had some antisemitic views. He generally maintained a shred of plausible deniability about it in his own writings, but the magazine he ran published some really vile stuff, IIRC. (He did consistently oppose the Nazis, but that really just goes to show that he was even more germanophobic than he was antisemitic.) Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Sep 16, 2018 |
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Sep 16, 2018 19:40
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Magnus Manfist posted:Nerds? Excuse me but I've read some Mishima and I'm pretty certain every one of them would have been lithely muscled with magnificently hairy armpits and, ideally, illiterate.  They look pretty dorky here. I'm pretty sure he recruited most of the tatenokai at various second rate universities around Tokyo. Morita, the guy on the left in this picture who committed suicide with him, was described as self serious and clumsy (which is why he couldn't actually decapitate the poor guy properly and instead just hewed on his neck and back a few times).
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Sep 16, 2018 22:16
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Shibawanko posted:
Ah man they are dorks. I always imagined Mishima surrounded by impeccably muscled youths, lecturing them on bushido and the sexiest ways to die in between bench press sets. Pretty disappointed by this to be honest.
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Sep 16, 2018 22:52
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Shibawanko posted:
didn't take ol' yukes for a chubbie chaser
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Sep 17, 2018 00:57
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Netman117 posted:Ayn Rand followed her own philosophy and left her husband for somebody new. Iirc she pretty much controlled her husband - she made him wear a cowbell around the house to signal his coming and going so he wouldn't startle her. Also she was loving one of her acolytes which she rationalised as being totally logical, and 'convinced' (read: told) her husband and her husband's wife how totally logical it was. Very cultish. Later on, the guy she was loving pretty much said 'Yeah Ayn is old and used up no interest in that anymore' and Rand was distraught about it. Or so an unsympathetic article on her life I read years and years ago said.
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Sep 17, 2018 10:15
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Tolkien's a bit of a mixed bag with racism. There was some questionable stuff with how in Lotr there were a lot of non white races in his mythology working for Sauron (albeit, with the implication they were coerced), but there's letters out there where he professed his disgust with Hitler's racial policies. And I think even one where he called out apartheid. There is also a terrible quote by him though of where he said he designed Orcs to have Mongol-inspired features and he referred to those features as being ugly.
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Sep 17, 2018 16:02
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Ginette Reno posted:Tolkien's a bit of a mixed bag with racism. I thought that he liked Finns.
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Sep 17, 2018 17:05
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Ginette Reno posted:Tolkien's a bit of a mixed bag with racism. I am willing to consider Tolkein's uncomfortable racism a misguided representation of his time Its the fact that everyone else continues to uncritically mime it thats the problem
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Sep 17, 2018 17:38
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I am willing to consider Tolkein's uncomfortable racism a misguided representation of his time Oh yeah. It's telling that Tolkien himself eventually became uncomfortable with the seemingly innate evil of the orcs (how can free-willed beings be inherently evil?), but Gygax et al. never seem to have been bothered by it. It gets even more problematic due to the fusion of Tolkien tropes with Robert E. Howard tropes. There was eventually a move away from that sort of thing in fantasy literature, but fantasy games have never really shed it. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Sep 17, 2018 |
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Sep 17, 2018 19:26
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Silver2195 posted:Oh yeah. It's telling that Tolkien himself eventually became uncomfortable with the seemingly innate evil of the orcs (how can free-willed beings be inherently evil?), but Gygax et al. never seem to have been bothered by it. It gets even more problematic due to the fusion of Tolkien tropes with Robert E. Howard tropes. Gotta kill something.
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Sep 17, 2018 23:04
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porfiria posted:Gotta kill something. Eh. Even if you accept this, there's no inherent reason the "something" needs to be sapient but subhuman.
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Sep 18, 2018 01:37
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come on its not like there is explicitly a race where the white and blonde haired ones are inherently good and the black skinned ones are inherently evil *puts finger to ear piece* Oh, I see
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Sep 18, 2018 01:56
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the best part in the Lord of the Rings is in the tower next to the spider cave where the orcs are like, gently caress the bosses, lets loot this guy and pocket the goods. They may be inherently evil but theres some real revolutionary vigor amongst the orcs.
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Sep 18, 2018 02:01
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small brain: the orcs are racist caricatures of black people and/or asians big brain: the orcs are classist caricatures of the british servant class
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Sep 18, 2018 02:33
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chernobyl kinsman posted:small brain: the orcs are racist caricatures of black people and/or asians why don't we hedge our bets and just say Indians then
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Sep 18, 2018 02:39
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CountFosco posted:I suppose God is technically a foreign power. The only god they worshipped was the Pope. 
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Sep 20, 2018 09:13
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Didn't Dr. Suess drive his wife to suicide or something
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Sep 20, 2018 11:12
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Molybdenum posted:Didn't Dr. Suess drive his wife to suicide or something She made a hilariously inappropriate children's book with photos of small children firing various guns. It's called Do You Know What I'm Going to Do Next Saturday? I own a copy.
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Sep 21, 2018 06:00
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Piers Anthony wrote novels. That's pretty much the worst crime of them all right there.
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Sep 21, 2018 06:22
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Ginette Reno posted:Tolkien's a bit of a mixed bag with racism. Yeah, the darker-skinned humans don't get any perspective or even speaking parts as far as I can recall, the only ones that show up in the books are extras marching in the bad guys' army -- but we do get a bit where one of the main characters is looking at a dead southerner and contemplating how this man had a life somewhere and wondering by what kind of force or trickery he had been made to fight on the wrong side. So, basically, Tolkien shows he thinks of those guys as, well, human beings. It's not as if he doesn't also show white people getting corrupted and turned to the bad side, anyway. (The orcs are way more problematic and from Tolkiens' own writings we know he was aware of that himself as well.)
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Sep 21, 2018 13:52
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God Of Paradise posted:Piers Anthony wrote novels. I think his damned author's notes or whatever are possibly the very worst part. (Yeah, I read a few of his things way back when.)
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Sep 21, 2018 13:55
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/05/books/review/zachary-leader-life-saul-bellow.html Lol quote:“Was I a man or was I a jerk?” Bellow inquired on his deathbed. lmao quote:The sons’ humiliations climax with the oldest, Gregory’s, tumultuous speech at a luncheon after Bellow accepted the Nobel Prize. He announced, generously, that he finally realized his father loved him after all, but his father’s way of loving was to work so hard and single-mindedly. Bellow, rather than embrace his firstborn, walked in front of the crowd to his middle son, Adam, shook his hand, and said: “‘Thanks, kid, for not saying anything.’ And off he went, in a stretch limo, entourage at his side.” Fantastic writer. Awful person.
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Dec 7, 2018 16:10
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Yeah Saul Bellow was a notorious piece of poo poo
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Dec 7, 2018 16:20
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God Of Paradise posted:She made a hilariously inappropriate children's book with photos of small children firing various guns. It's called Do You Know What I'm Going to Do Next Saturday? I own a copy. Oh man, I just looked through that online, it has a hilariously stereotypical Italian chef w/ spaghetti and meatballs. What a time to be alive.
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Dec 8, 2018 04:10
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Bill Cosby Broke Keyfabe
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Dec 10, 2018 02:45
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Well I guess today is the day where we find out Alice Walker thinks Jews control the KKK and are actually LizardPeople. poo poo.
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Dec 17, 2018 21:07
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Vonnegut Asterisk posted:Well I guess today is the day where we find out Alice Walker thinks Jews control the KKK and are actually LizardPeople. It's weird because she used to be married to a Jewish civil rights lawyer. I guess they had a bad breakup.
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I just realized we haven't mentioned Byron yet in this thread. He's a particularly troubling case because he was and is admired to some extent because he was a terrible person rather than in spite of it. I read a great recent article on Byron's awfulness, but I can't find it, so instead I'll link a very old one (by Harriet Beecher Stowe, no less): https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1869/09/the-true-story-of-lady-byrons-life/305445/
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plato had slaves and hosed children and nobody ever calls him out on it
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