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ullerrm posted:I will write "delta sqad" in Tengwar and put that motherfucker on a ring and that will be the OP your terms are acceptable
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Vilgan posted:Frat is Vale + Tribute. 14T vs 11T. if you love frat so much why don't you join them
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Also, I repeat myself: Liquid ISK doesn't win conventional wars.
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ullerrm posted:
what;s wrong with that?
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ullerrm posted:
oh i expected nothing more or less from a vet of your bitterness, old friend my only note is "needs more corp mails"
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Every time there's someone going "The thing you've been doing for over a decade obviously can't work even though it has been and there's no evidence it has stopped". It's fun.
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Vilgan posted:Frat is Vale + Tribute. 14T vs 11T. the original thing you raised was "Imperium has decent production, 2nd only to Frat," you're backtracking here from that comparison (for obvious reasons). I would maintain that Delve+Fountain is a fair comparison to Vale+Tribute. I checked and literally every month YTD besides May, Delve+Fountain > Vale+Tribute in production. Mining and ratting are down in timeframes that correspond to the GEF deployment and mining in Vale+Tribute was only greater than Delve+Fountain in the month of May. You're making an error of comparing one month instead of a YTD comparison. Goons in eve though are definitely doomed because of Pochven or whatever.
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Vilgan posted:Frat is Vale + Tribute. 14T vs 11T. You are so loving stupid it hurts
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"Good idea to have an idea of super basic geography" says the screeching idiot who doesn't understand that Querious and Delve are basically conjoined twins due to how fake querious works
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no but you see querious is just sib squad
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I'm actually the #1 source of Level 5 missions Source: Trust me Bro
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Solus posted:"Good idea to have an idea of super basic geography" says the screeching idiot who doesn't understand that Querious and Delve are basically conjoined twins due to how fake querious works You could try not being a mouth breathing retard. Top 3 index systems in Querious: 1) V-LEKM (Sib Squad) 2) 49-U (Catch border) 3) 3-FKCZ (Sib Squad) There doesn't appear to be any serious buildup yet in fake Querious. Hence the reason 1) I didn't mention it and 2) there is poo poo for production in querious currently. Yes, 2 years ago there was noticeable production in fake querious but then you guys had everything get burned down. Maybe you should ask one of your fellow goons to make a very simple picture with colors so you actually understand WTF fake querious is? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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The guy who's claiming unprovable metrics like "Most Level 5 Missions ran" are a sign of power is calling me a retard. lmao
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GSV gently caress Your God posted:the original thing you raised was "Imperium has decent production, 2nd only to Frat," you're backtracking here from that comparison (for obvious reasons). I would maintain that Delve+Fountain is a fair comparison to Vale+Tribute. I checked and literally every month YTD besides May, Delve+Fountain > Vale+Tribute in production. Mining and ratting are down in timeframes that correspond to the GEF deployment and mining in Vale+Tribute was only greater than Delve+Fountain in the month of May. You're making an error of comparing one month instead of a YTD comparison. Goons in eve though are definitely doomed because of Pochven or whatever. Yeah, if you are comparing Init + Goons to Frat, then Fountain should be included. I was comparing Goons to Frat, but feel free to adjust as needed.
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Querious has 1t ISK worth of ratting bounties in the last month but lmao it's not notable for goon income I am smart
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Solus posted:Querious has 1t ISK worth of ratting bounties in the last month but lmao it's not notable for goon income I am smart being fair to the FRAT fanboy, we were discussing industry as the basis of income for most line members.
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Dik Hz posted:Hmm. I wonder if controlling the only functional market hub in nullsec means anything. having combat hulls in 1dq that are lower priced than jita is such a horrible thing to have and those prices being that low because they are even more cutthroat than jita sellers
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If you look at the economic reports’ trade value column, 1dq1 is the third largest market hub in the game. It’s slightly larger than Rens or Dodixie.
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I'm one of the dumbest people in game, but even I would never try to claim goons and the imperium only own one region.
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dragonshardz posted:being fair to the FRAT fanboy, we were discussing industry as the basis of income for most line members. I don't know that I'm a Frat fanboy, they are the people I shoot the most. Just creating some comparisons because it feels Mittens and by extension his alliance is stuck in 2019 style of thinking and eventually that will hurt. Goons got on top in part because they outkrabbed the rest of the universe by a significant amount in the Rorqual years and now a different group is taking that page from their playbook while Mittens hurfs about DBM rather than being flexible and taking on the state of the game as it is. And this war just feels dumb. A fiery "we march to war for the first time since XYZ date!" speech to go invade.... Fire? Umm, okay. Shooting Horde's fort in Skarkon or Frat's fort in Nalvula is a hell of a lot more relevant to their interests than all the regions Fire inhabits.
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Vilgan posted:I don't know that I'm a Frat fanboy, they are the people I shoot the most. Just creating some comparisons because it feels Mittens and by extension his alliance is stuck in 2019 style of thinking and eventually that will hurt. Goons got on top in part because they outkrabbed the rest of the universe by a significant amount in the Rorqual years and now a different group is taking that page from their playbook while Mittens hurfs about DBM rather than being flexible and taking on the state of the game as it is. What should we do then?
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"why won't the alliance fund our misadventures for lining our own personal pockets in a region the alliance can't project power in while engaged in a full deployment war" I screech, and then call all of the directors names when called out on my bullshit? "No, I won't check that every time this idea has been brought up it has been immediately shot down by the alliance" I yell before calling directors more names because I am obviously smarter than the directorate I chuckle
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Feliday Melody posted:What should we do then? Roll over and die, obviously. Or I guess embrace Pochven  I am happy to see that my modest production setup is less than 10% of the total in Delve 
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Wibla posted:Roll over and die, obviously. Hard to believe you are sub 10%. Are you accounting for the fact I *think* MER counts each step again? So 50B reacted into 55B reacted into 65B of production counts as 170B not 65B? I *think* I'm around 600B in monthly production and I feel like a small potato compared to what I remember you talking about on gs_isk or whatever it was  As for what to do, seems like there are lots of lucrative and/or interesting possibilities. Gobbins went loving mental when goons + stribog reffed his astra during WWBII, if his fort in Skarkon was seriously threatened he'd care a lot more than fire slowly retreating from some regions for a while. And Horde has been staging out of that for for ages, the drops would probably be insane. Could try to assault the C6 donut that lazerknocks have put together and take over some C6 constellations w/ organized taxes/etc for isk generation and actually tap that income source instead of just complaining about it. Deploy to next to Frat and gently caress with them, they actually give good fights frequently. Anyway, maybe I'm totally off base and goons are super excited to go retake the same worthless regions from an alliance that poses no threat to them while Horde shows up to the fights they want to and otherwise just surrender territory they don't care about. Maybe thousands are logging on with excitement at the thought of a mostly pointless war over some of the least desired regions in Eve. That wouldn't be me, but I'm also not in the Imperium anymore so whatevs. Vilgan fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Jun 30, 2022 |
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Vilgan posted:Frat is Vale + Tribute. 14T vs 11T. Oh oh oh, I know! Add Fountain to the imperium side and let's do the math again!
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Annoyingly he's worked out that Goon e-honour means that if we achieve our initial war objectives easily because the enemy doesn't show up, we have to turn around and go home and literally can't do anything else.
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Vilgan posted:Anyway, maybe I'm totally off base and goons are super excited to go retake the same worthless regions from an alliance that poses no threat to them while Horde shows up to the fights they want to and otherwise just surrender territory they don't care about. Maybe thousands are logging on with excitement at the thought of a mostly pointless war over some of the least desired regions in Eve. That wouldn't be me, but I'm also not in the Imperium anymore so whatevs. Good to know you don't actually know what we're deployed for then, or what this war is actually about or what are objectives are you truly colossal loving dipshit. It's genuinely amazing how with each post you truly show your entire arse
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philihp posted:Oh oh oh, I know! Add Fountain to the imperium side and let's do the math again! You aren't even the first person to misread "Goons" as "Imperium" and assume I forgot Fountain in this thread. Feel free to read up a couple posts? Init has different leadership, different approach, etc and unlike the other english speaking alliances they still remain their own entity that likes to operate independent from goons when they can. I don't have any complaints about Init leadership, I think Dark Shines does a really good loving job. That includes him being open about the fact that he wishes they could be independent and didn't have to ally with Goons, but if you need to be part of a bloc the Goons are the lesser evil (and don't stab them in the back like NCDot did).
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You think that you can separate innit and goon industry numbers from each other in fountain and delve?
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Are we copying random reddit posts without context again or has this thread suddenly got interesting again?
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Forum Wars IV: A New Cope
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Deffo a D named poster parachute account
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Vilgan posted:As for what to do, seems like there are lots of lucrative and/or interesting possibilities. Gobbins went loving mental when goons + stribog reffed his astra during WWBII, if his fort in Skarkon was seriously threatened he'd care a lot more than fire slowly retreating from some regions for a while. And Horde has been staging out of that for for ages, the drops would probably be insane. How do either of these help us build titans?
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Look as the nerd who ran the blazer group for a while, I can understand wanting to pontificate But you lost the moment you called another poster retarded for not agreeing with you e: mission runners make more than poochie space panhandlers, hth
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:How do either of these help us build titans? They don't
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Taking a different look at Frat's industry setup, this time in Vale, from the lofty position of "haven't logged in in five years." Who the gently caress set this up? Do they have brain damage? Vale had so many outposts, and yet their top three manufacturing systems somehow managed to be in completely unbonused systems. Half of their top 20 industry systems have no index bonuses at all. I didn't test every single one of these in GTS, but the top N that I did all had one thing in common: A directly accessible lowsec mid. Many of them can be returned to from the Jita undock directly. Combined with their pathetic local markets and one thing is clear -- the greater majority of this industry is in high danger of being directly exported to Jita, the exact opposite of what you want as a state power. Compare this to Delve, where 18 of the top 20 systems for makin' poo poo are in a system with at worst a 0.7 multiplier, most in a 0.6 or 0.5. (Whoever the gently caress is making stuff in 4K-TRB is getting their financial assholes widened on the reg by its unbonused nature.) Combine this with Delve's painful shipping costs, and you end up with a early 1900s Tulsa Greenwood district situation. An ISK made in Delve will, on average, be spent more reliably in Delve than sent to Wawa. I mean, Jita.
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yes, but you see "goons bad, war bad, pochven good"
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