FranktheBank posted:

Rorquals are the now the most profitable, scale-able income source. In edition to Delve being one of the best regions because of a combination of good true-sec and small distance in LY, allowing a supercapital to reach from staging to ~80% of Delve. That, combined with goons' ability to get newbros into KF, then give them the means of printing isk in order to inject into more rorqs, in order to print more isk, in order to inject into more supers/titans, has given them critical mass. As well as always having fleets/sigs with poo poo to do. The last thing cannot be overstated enough as what most other alliances are lacking.

It boils down to a normal day in goons can be:
- Join fleet.
- Warp between 1 to infinity rorquals to mine.
- Jump on comms and bullshit with fellow nerds
- If an enemy of substance attacks you, just call for help, light cyno, and between 10-200 capitals will come destroy whatever is attacking you.

Not only does this allow you to make copious amounts of isk, but also allows you to shoot the poo poo with friends or watch netflix or whatever.

DrHammond posted:

I'll pitch in a cool 1B isk if it means paying someone to create banners sans homophobia.

That poo poo's, uuhh, not cool.

CainFortea posted:

This one says you need Teamspeak. They're pretty old. Definately pre-cultural revolution.

nex posted:

these ads are 2006 and earlier, for more information this nerdtastic whitepaper (it owns)

http://www.academia.edu/1709589/Goo...dium_to_Another

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

To put a finer point on the jump-capable ship thing, CCP arbitrarily decided that they would never allow GMs to move a ship with a jump drive for returning players.

Curiously, they instituted this rule at the exact same time that we were getting rolled out of the north by out-of-game-casino backed entities.

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

yeah but hostiles had a good 4-5 months where they still had it, and it would have been trivial for them to actually undock and finish the job

but i guess months of sitting logged out in X-7O were too exhausting for them

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

the difference between B-R5 and the casino war is that after B-R5, we (extremely stupidly and deliberately) let NCPL go, whereas in the casino war we all just sat in range of each other for 5 months and then we were allowed to leave due to sheer neglect on the part of hostiles

like seriously we jumped the remnants of our supercap fleet to a single asshouse in ashitsu, how hard would it have been to drop on that and just erase us forever

CainFortea posted:

Because the whole narrative was you were attacking us out of a deep respect for the game, and we were obviously ruining it. So your accepting trillions of isk from out of game unassailable casinos, was really just a means to an end. And really it's not very much money at all, so no big deal.

Also some CCP dude came up with World War Bee and gently caress CCP.

Xolve posted:

WWB was the name of the war update post on Pl.com (or whatever it migrated to in a post-Ander Legion).


It was never 'impossible' they just never really devoted time to doing anything about it before.

It happened, people got caught, but never like the casino purge. Wasn't Somer the biggest offender anyway?


Nah. 'Casinos' were a Mittani talking point, I mean- sure alliances were getting funded in small part by Lenny and Co., but half the things he said he'd pay for, he never actually paid for (which somehow hurt BFM the most).

PL had been swimming in money from years of Tech mining before this, even BR-5 didn't break the PL war chest. Sorry the title of the PL Campaign update doesn't fit your narrative.

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

if hostiles get pushed back to a single point and have a widely publicized exit route, then yeah we oughta drop on their poo poo

poo poo's a little harder now with keepstar proliferation sadly

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

i got like 100b from lenny for killing like 400b of jfs during wwb so that was nice


ya na, it made it impossible to effectively police.

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

Right now we're deployed to the north to gently caress with the squatters in Fade and Pure Blind (maybe Deklein later? Who knows.) We have a forward staging keepstar in 6RCQ, so if you put a jump clone there (or just sit there all the time if you really want) you oughta be able to catch some fleet action.

Fights that are "sit in 1% TIDI" generally happen over a keepstar siege, and there's plenty of fights going on that don't involve that. Most of them are erasing tons of Muninns. This is hilarious because T2 cruisers use a lot of moongoo, and we pretty much own the entire T2 production chain, meaning that all the ships they bought are putting money into the pockets of our guys.

CainFortea posted:

What, like CVA?

Xolve posted:

In a very similar boat

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

Delve is our home again. And, yeah, DJ had a big gay babby meltdown, goatse'd the forums, and ran off in a huff to make his own corporation back when we were getting rolled out of the north in an attempt to siphon out all the TRUE BLOOD GOONS. CCP even renamed the old, inaccessible Goonfleet corporation to "Old Goonfleet," altering the corporation histories of every character, and renamed his corporation "Goonfleet" for about 6 hours or so before it got reversed. It was a very strange time.

Later DJ sold out his corporation for a vouch into Pandemic Legion.

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

the preceding: use of "goon" as a pejorative

evilweasel posted:

yes, we need to ask the festering corpse its opinion on why it is rotting

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

i mean we can't rule that out

Kimsemus posted:

honest to god if goons ever decided to euthenize pandemic legion please let me join

ChickenWing posted:

wait gently caress when did this happen

evilweasel posted:

honestly the only thing that's probably keeping some corps in is the hope that the last corp in the alliance gets to steal what's left of the AT ship cache, hopefully before the rest of it is lost in an unsuccessful attempt to go farther in the alliance tournament than TEST

evilweasel posted:

nah it just meant i could do the more fun parts of my job instead of spending hours figuring out what i missed and why the report columns didn't add up properly

but yeah i automated one of my early jobs before i became a lawyer and it owned, i never explained to anyone how it worked or even that it was happening had to get my own proxy around the internet filter though to not die of boredom.

evilweasel posted:

there's now a push for personal email to be blocked as a potential threat vector which loving suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks because it gets applied even to the people high-ranking enough to not have the rest of their internet filtered

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

ostensibly it's to keep your employees off of pornhub and other poo poo and doing their jobs instead

basically employees are subhuman and have to be babysat, apparently

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

no you are wrong you see cynou is joining BL

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

did that dude ever come back after y'all noped out of the north in 2011

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

eh i wasn't really highlighting his dumb decisions, just wondering if what happened in 2011 made him quit like permanently or if he stuck around for a while

he's obviously not around now

evilweasel posted:

evilweasel posted:

i doubt it. with jump fatigue empires spanning half the map are mostly dead, and so even if we bulldoze the entire north all we can do is then leave. there's no credible alliances to maintain control over the north besides nc., and if they add a good chunk of PL's supercap fleet they'll have enough to have local superiority as long as we or TEST aren't nearby, more than enough to keep the whip hand over GOTG and the rest of the no-name northern alliances. they've adapted well enough to the current meta to survive, i think.

i think they'll wind up shedding more of the bluetrals and trying to poach them rather than keep them around indefinitely

evilweasel posted:

the impression i get is that the inactive leadership stayed around and posted and such but the keys to do things were turned over to the next generation. a lot of core PL stuff is still held by Shamis who probably hasn't played in the better part of a decade, but that's a security thing (holding AT ships, holding corp CEO, other things that the active directors don't need on a day to day or even month to month basis)

the problem is just that the new generation is poo poo

evilweasel posted:

yeah back when evil thug was still in charge, then i think he got addicted to WoW and nobody else in the alliance had any loving idea what they were doing (and if they did, one of the other russian alliances poached them) and rapidly snowballed into poo poo. i think they loaned the bpo for goonswarm's first titan, then became hostile when that whole plex drama caused a fracturing of the alliance between various russian alliances and Goonswarm.

all of the mystique is super cringy to look back on, but then again literally all eve mystique is super cringy to look back on


that'd make sense, i knew you distributed a good chunk of them to the players but i thought there was also an alliance cache for future use

evilweasel posted:

yeah one of the oddities of EVE is that very rich people are actually quite trustworthy because once you can afford your own titan, there's basically nothing more that more money can get you. like, if there was 25T in the goonswarm wallet i would not be tempted to steal it because there's nothing I can do with 25T that I can't do with 2T, but taking the 25T would significantly limit what i could do in EVE in the future by burning bridges. big thefts are more about the gently caress you than being space rich.

back in the day when RMT was basically legal, then it had more incentive but rmt is kinda hard to do now, and especially hard to do if you've just wrecked your relationships in-game that would let you do it quietly

Klyith posted:

I think there's a bit you're not seeing, that there's also a big aspect of PHorde in this. PL has been on a decline in activity for a while now, longer than just the current generation. PL got a bunch of their status by being the elite destination. After Horde anybody could get a taste, and they didn't even need a supercap. Yeah it wasn't exactly the same thing, all the PL and PH people would loudly insist. But the core of PH came over from PL, all the FCs were PL alts at first, and they did joint ops at times.

I don't think there was a ton of PH -> PL recruitment. And Phorde is still doing fine. They're welping fleets of dreads, but at least they're enthusiastic about it.

So the current PL leadership being lovely I bet is more effect than cause. They had less fresh blood to draw from so the pool of FCs was small. And PL's nebulous leadership-by-popular-participation thing only works when there's enough alternatives that the shitlers don't become the default choice.

evilweasel posted:

yeah loving up the structure of horde was a massive mistake. pl wanted to maintain their elite status, couldn't square that with an alliance that would accept anyone who could find the "apply" button, and so they let horde become its own thing instead of a feeder under tight mothership control. but there are a lot of people that, three or four years ago, saw the path to advancement in eve as becoming a well known FC in some medium-tier alliance so they could get booshed into PL when it went to harvest the talent from that alliance, then being a PL fc with great fcs like grath, elise, etc. nobody in a medium-tier alliance who is an up and comer now is looking to do that.


yeah tracking titans were loving infuriating, but there's never really been a time since that you couldn't wipe out a subcap fleet with the right combo of supercaps, it just shifted to the slowcat meta for a while, and you could only deploy carriers like that with supercap superiority

evilweasel posted:

yeah i really hope that the meta shifts to more of an anarchic state with lots of medium-sized alliances rather than just a handful of big players refighting the same wars over and over again. krablands being so rich means that deploying farther than your borders is loving expensive, so alliances that live in 0.0 are less willing to go across the map to intervene in a random war when it means their flow of mining can get wrecked as a result.

evilweasel posted:

with citadels, you don't need to occupy space to effectively hurt the former occupants. you burn it to the ground and leave, that's a much more meaningful loss than the old "welp we're out some ihubs". before if you burned a region to the ground and left you didn't meaningfully hurt the other side, now they've got a repair bill in the trillions to get a good amount of moongoo mining/citadels/factories back up

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

shut up idiot