MMO CHAT: I'll probably buy and play that game even though it looks like dogshit

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Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

When they make an MMO that plays like Dark Souls we will have a hit.

# ¿ Aug 24, 2018 16:17

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 09:11

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

I don't like how instanced MMOs are and a lack of a decent metagame.

# ¿ Sep 6, 2018 20:46

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Oh also terrible gameplay loops / mechanics etc

# ¿ Sep 6, 2018 20:47

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Zaphod42 posted:

Instancing was the beginning of the anti-mmo, which wow is now the king of.

I get why they did it, but you now spend 80% of the game in instances, may as well be co-op instead of mmo.

EQ was the best mmo because you met strangers and came to rely on them. You'd get a sense of the server and see some guy you grouped with 10 levels ago on the other side of the world, and that meant something.

In wow, people who aren't in your guild or friend's list may as well not exist. Even worse, they exist only as obstacles, stealing items or mobs you need for your quest.

Eq was designed to be oppressive so people had to band together to survive. Abilities were scattered between classes and you only had a fraction available to yourself without others help.

Wow you can do everything solo except raids and dungeons.

PvE elements need to he more challenging and prevalent rather than trash you have to snooze through.

# ¿ Sep 6, 2018 22:21

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

All that is fine. The 300 pound gorilla in the room is the dogshit combat mechanics. As soon as I see hotkeys I don't bother. I cannot play a game that has me jamming the 1 key until kingdom come. Worse yet is setting up macros, etc. Blah.

Elite was brought up and it's a cool immersive game but one of the most hostile when it comes to doing anything meaningful or interacting with other players.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2018 02:00

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

PlanetSide 2 is a mechanically fun game that has nothing going for it in terms of metagame.

The next fantasy MMO that will do well needs a simple but fun melee mechanic like the original dark souls with even the same leveling system but much slower to level.

I think you'd find players accommodating to lag and latency if the reasons were sound, like being in an enormous battle or populated city.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2018 05:42

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Dark Souls, but MMO. I'm being serious too.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2018 15:26

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Zaphod42 posted:

Also I think 'levels' are a design crutch. Wanna see more MMOs without any levels. Other forms of progression are better and don't result in people with no life being unkillable.

For sure. Just make space, make interesting. Dragon's Dogmas map comes to mind that was expansive and not very 'level' like.

That said, I do understand instancing in the case of dungeons or small, tightly packed areas. but it needs to be more of a ... Let's say, 50 - 100 people in the instance as opposed to 5 - 10.

# ¿ Sep 7, 2018 17:16

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

It would be devoid of creativity or fun. A raptor would he equivalent to a rogue and be described as the dps dealer. Press one to do the talon attack. The good Dino's vs the bad Dino's idea would be scrapped. A cosmetic scar on your Dino's eye will cost 980 dino bux which translates into 9.99 but half off if you buy it in 2 hours.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2018 22:44

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Zaphod42 posted:

Concept and implementation are two different things buddy. If you think there's no way to play as dinos and have fun, I would argue that YOU are devoid of creativity

We need players to be able to be vanilla humans because... *checks notes* that's real creative??

Name me a single MMO in recent history that could even capture this well. Also elite stinks because there are almost no way to meaningfully interact with other players. You can't even trade with each other. Send money. Nothing.

Speaking of creative, your "checks note" thing is cute. It's the new *bursts into thread*. I would argue you're devoid of creativity.

# ¿ Sep 12, 2018 00:04

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Hello Sailor posted:

Mechwarrior Online?

I remember a line of toys from when I was a kid which was dinosaurs equipped with modern/sci-fi weaponry. I would totally be a triceratops with a rocket launcher.

Isn't MWO like... an arena shooter? Like 2v2 or 3v3?

# ¿ Sep 12, 2018 02:09

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

The real roadblock is that WoW came out and it's doing to MMOs that Freespace 2 did to space sims.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2018 04:19

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Lizard Wizard posted:

I googled "FF14 subscriber numbers" and found this in like two seconds, c'mon son

Don't destroy the narrative. I really wanted to like Final Fantasy but the journey to get to the endgame was so boring and everyone just raves that the endgame is where its fun...I don't want to struggle to get to the gun.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2018 23:48

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Very sad that DDO isn't being brought to the states because ????

# ¿ Sep 17, 2018 20:54

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

I appreciate the effort but I'm not gonna do VPN trickery and then try and decipher Japanese menus

# ¿ Sep 18, 2018 00:53

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Third World Reggin posted:

VPN trickery is needed but most of us playing right now are using mudfish, put 5 dollars into it years ago, and still have change.

But the menus are 90% in english.

The menus being in English is a godsend and piqued my interest

# ¿ Sep 18, 2018 03:57

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

I had a friend who basically handicapped his own lifetime milestone goals by way of WoW. Nothing like everyone coming back from college or having a real trade and his dumbass is the door guy at Best Buy because he has to raid four times a week.

Last I checked he's just a drunk now.

# ¿ Sep 20, 2018 21:24

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Bedshaped posted:

Elite: Dangerous if David Braben pulls his head out of his rear end, deletes Powerplay and lets players gently caress up his perfect little galaxy with factions and constructions and stuff.

This and actually trade a la EVE online. Not being to give my friend credits to start with when I ~~conned~~ convinced him to play was stunning.

# ¿ Sep 26, 2018 19:35

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Sandbox MMO w/ PvP will only be good if there of an equal amount of care given to the PvE content and an interesting world. Most important of all is fun core mechanics that aren't smashing hot keys. Really, get away from the hot keys and people would be down for almost anything.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2018 04:46

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

No way dude when that battle royale game comes out in six years and when the genre is all but completely stale, it'll be great.

# ¿ Sep 27, 2018 15:24

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Sounds just awful and exactly why no one plays MMOs anymore

# ¿ Dec 12, 2018 01:59

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Imagine an MMO where the combat wasn't tied to a hotkey or lovely.

# ¿ Dec 14, 2018 16:46

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Anytime I see, "the game starts at level 50' or "the real game is the end game."

I'm not gonna touch it because if the end game is where it's at why do I have to slog through 100 hours of bottom barrel gameplay to get to it

# ¿ Dec 15, 2018 20:45

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

There are 1000 games that do what MMOs should. Imagine a mount and blade MMO.

# ¿ Dec 20, 2018 21:04

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

I liked when blizzard would ban people for using graphic mods in their coop game.

# ¿ Dec 28, 2018 16:00

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Spam Musubi posted:

Of All Time, I don’t think so.

According to some wiki list and by a metric I didn't pay attention to it's Tetris, Minecraft and GTAV.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2019 22:37

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Hey is there an MMO out there that isn't hotkey driven ???

# ¿ Jan 10, 2019 16:34

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Kak posted:

I think Pantheon and Camelot Unchained might turn out to be good if niche games.

they are both hotbar / hotkey / press 1 to attack MMOs and they will bomb horrifically. No one wants to play this poo poo anymore.

# ¿ Jan 17, 2019 16:58

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

So, I finally found a MMO without hotkey garbage called Gloria Victis on Steam. It has mixed reviews but the most recent are mostly positive. I think I'll take the plunge since its only 20 bux.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2019 06:40

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Frog Act posted:

How did this work out for you, I've looked at GV many times but always moved on because of the poor reviews

I mean, as Jim said, its Jank as poo poo. But the core gameplay loop is fun. The RvR feels like a real-time DaOC without magic. I'm having a lot of fun. I inadvertently picked the underdog faction and getting my poo poo smashed every castle or fight on the field kind of stinks.

I'd recommend it for 20 bux. Goons have played worse.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2019 03:34

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Sangmar/Azeb empire is getting crushed. Every castle defense is like 50 howling Norsemen or Western European knights crashing through the gates.

It's not even a population thing. The most dominant guild just stinks and gets steamrolled on the regs.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2019 21:00

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Try it out Jim. I'd play the game with you. Not that I'm any good. I'll make a discord when I get home if you're down.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2019 22:55

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

People don't want another hotbar MMO. You may be able to cannablize current WoW players but I doubt you'd get any sort of new players.

# ¿ Mar 21, 2019 19:37

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Zwiebel posted:

This idea is silly.

The thing that makes Dark Souls good and interesting is the developers sitting down and designing every encounter you're going to have on your linear treck through a linear area. Then they make it interesting and challenging by adjusting from which direction enemies attack, scripting how they ambush you, setting up archers that distract you or draw you into a different ambush, combine enemy types, et cetera. You can't design encounters or areas like this with hundreds of players running around.

All you end up with if you want a Dark Souls MMO is the infinite dragon butts of Izalith. Tons of enemies carelessly placed around an environment so that everyone has something to fight and it's "technically" a challenging encounter. Yet everyone skips this part for a reason and it's very obviously a bad part of an otherwise decent game.

Like, Dragons Dogma or stuff like Phantasy Star Online 2, Black Desert or whatever are more realistic when it comes to the MMO formula (and actually exist in that mold), but Dark Souls doesn't work with tons of people running around.

Just quoting this bad post to announce loudly that it is bad and full of nothing.

# ¿ Mar 21, 2019 21:56

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Imo I miss the vast tracts of land and real adventuring in MMOs. LOTRO was the last one to do that. My friends and I IRL played the pants off of that. It could be the same graphics and I'd play it if the combat wasnt hotbar.

# ¿ Mar 21, 2019 22:13

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

That describes many games but, you seem to be chasing the dragon as it were.

# ¿ Apr 8, 2019 05:20

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

I'll never play a hotbar MMO again

# ¿ Apr 8, 2019 23:13

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

What's RPG about rust I've never played it

# ¿ Apr 15, 2019 00:08

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

Herstory Begins Now posted:

The entire gameplay experience is like the first month of an MMO over and over because each server wipes progress like once a week up to once a month. It's also full loot pvp with a ton of loaded player interaction and ~RP~. It feels kinda like a semi-primitive (as in has bows and crossbows and a range of guns and a melee system) fps combined with ultima online.

Only way it is really an RPG though is that a lot of the population role plays to some extent and instead of your character getting better, you just get better at the game

Like it obviously isn't an mmorpg, but it feels similar to and tbh scratches a similar itch as oldschool pvp servers. There's also a raiding endgame as well as super hard end game content that most of the playerbase isn't coordinated enough to ever experience.

Thanks for the answer but that's pretty far away from what an RPGooks like to me

# ¿ Apr 15, 2019 06:51

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 09:11

Ichabod Tane: Oct 30, 2005; A most notable
coward, an infinite and endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no one good quality.

https://youtu.be/_Ojd0BdtMBY?t=4

DDO not coming to the West is just stunning and tells me that Japanese developers are just throwing darts at the board to see what sticks over here.

# ¿ May 3, 2019 15:23

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