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SpaceAceJase posted:Is this as good as Homeland season 1? Or is it more like the later seasons (bad)?
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They never would have done this in a Tom Clancy show but I really wanted the entire ebola and polonium plots to be a massive red herring and for Suleiman to have some sort of Bond villain-esque or Heath Ledger Joker exposition that guns, knives, explosives and motor vehicles are far more reliable weapons, and the panic of ebola/radiation were just cover for them to orchestrate an actual devastating attack. Oh well, some decent sequences, Krasinski pulled off the everyman-turned-action-hero fairly well and it was mercifully short.
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Sep 4, 2018 19:09
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Up to episode 6 so far. So far it seems pretty generic, retreading the same territory as 24 and Homeland. It's not bad, but not amazing either. One plot point stood out as not making any sense to me: Episode 3: Creepy rapist guy gets hit by a drone strike at the end of the episode. Episode 6: He comes back, totally fine, and is chasing after the girls again. Are we supposed to believe he walked away from that without a scratch?
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Sep 5, 2018 03:45
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NoDamage posted:Up to episode 6 so far. So far it seems pretty generic, retreading the same territory as 24 and Homeland. It's not bad, but not amazing either. One plot point stood out as not making any sense to me: His face was more hosed up.
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Sep 5, 2018 04:10
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Binged the rest of the series. A few more thoughts: - Bunk is the best actor on this show by miles. - Jim has zero chemistry with ebola doctor, which makes their romance subplot really boring. (Spoilers for last two episodes): - God drat his marine backstory is all sorts of hosed up. - The ploy of using the hostages as the attack vector was initially interesting but ended up going nowhere fast. Shouldn't they have done health checks on the hostages before releasing them and having them meet with the president? - The hostages were originally kidnapped by some other guy. But after the raid on the compound we find out Sulieman had intended to infect Dr. Nadler to get to the president. So was the kidnapping planned or not? - Lol at DHS guy welcoming terrorist #1 into the country. - The cesium stuff kind of came out of left field. Reminded me a lot of 24 with its ever escalating "but that was just a distraction for my real plan". - The terrorists really should have found themselves a payphone they could have used to call the hospital line. - Why did Ryan not have any comms or call for backup or tell anyone where he was going at the end there?
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Sep 5, 2018 09:13
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NoDamage posted:- Jim has zero chemistry with ebola doctor, which makes their romance subplot Abbie Cornish really sucks out loud in this, which is unfortunate.
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Sep 5, 2018 10:15
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NoDamage posted:Binged the rest of the series. A few more thoughts: He's a suit and tie wearing motherfucker.
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Sep 5, 2018 11:29
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LesterGroans posted:Abbie Cornish really sucks out loud in this, which is unfortunate. I don't know if it is the acting writing or directing, but I concur. Getting uber upset that a guy who told you his job was a boring job turning out to be a pseudo badass agent guy is kind of  *just tracked down wife of Bin Laden type and saved 12 hostages* I CAN'T TRUST YOU! Really came off as dumb. Rocksicles posted:He's a suit and tie wearing motherfucker. I just watch him and imagine the character IS Bunk and somehow landed the CIA job after his stint with Baltimore Homicide. He needs a cigar. I expect at certain moments for him to turn to Jim and say "There you go giving a gently caress, when it's not your turn to give a gently caress". Jim has a little McNutty in him. Fake edit: Show needs Bubbles Hasselblad fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Sep 5, 2018 |
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Sep 5, 2018 15:46
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NoDamage posted:(Spoilers for last two episodes): Still using spoilers, it's been less than a week. I would also assume that hostages would be detained/debriefed/quarantined thoroughly before they get to meet with and be paraded around by a sitting president, but then again Trump did a couple of victory laps with those three detainees he brought back from North Korea shortly before the summit, so what do I know.
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Sep 5, 2018 15:50
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Hasselblad posted:I don't know if it is the acting writing or directing, but I concur. Getting uber upset that a guy who told you his job was a boring job turning out to be a pseudo badass agent guy is kind of Get the Baltimore lie detector going on some terrorist.
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Sep 5, 2018 16:52
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Tiberius Christ posted:does jim ever shoot anyone and then give that look into the camera No, but there's a scene in episode six where he unexpectedly runs into his love interest, who was unaware of his actual role with the government, in a meeting and he makes a very Office-like face. Overall it's pretty good so far. I agree that Abbie Cornish is a low point. I don't mind Krasinski as much. Overall it's best to think of it as completely divorced from anything Clancy-related given how much the characters have diverged from anything in the books.
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Sep 5, 2018 17:02
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Tiberius Christ posted:does jim ever shoot anyone and then give that look into the camera He does a very Jim face in the first episode when he's interrogating the "bodyguard"
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Sep 5, 2018 17:13
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NoDamage posted:
How are you posting from the 90s?
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Sep 5, 2018 17:47
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They really blew it not having Bunk investigate the issue at the Baltimore docks.
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Sep 5, 2018 19:36
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nooneofconsequence posted:They really blew it not having Bunk investigate the issue at the Baltimore docks. That would have been golden, especially if there was a cameo by McNulty. I could do with another "gently caress. gently caress Me. Motherfucker. Fuckers. gently caress." scene.
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Sep 5, 2018 20:27
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NoDamage posted:Up to episode 6 so far. So far it seems pretty generic, retreading the same territory as 24 and Homeland. It's not bad, but not amazing either. One plot point stood out as not making any sense to me: Wait, that was the same guy? I thought I was just being racist and thinking all the terrorists look the same. Yeah, that's loving stupid, even the terrorist's wife almost didn't get up from that blast. Hasselblad posted:I don't know if it is the acting writing or directing, but I concur. Getting uber upset that a guy who told you his job was a boring job turning out to be a pseudo badass agent guy is kind of This irritated me too, as it usually does when someone reveals their secret identity as a selfless hero and their friends get mad. Literally all he'd told her was "My job is really boring, I just keep track of buying boring stuff for the government, let's not talk about it anymore because it's so boring." It's not like there was some intricate web of lies that he'd been maintaining.
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Sep 6, 2018 01:24
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Phenotype posted:This irritated me too, as it usually does when someone reveals their secret identity as a selfless hero and their friends get mad. Literally all he'd told her was "My job is really boring, I just keep track of buying boring stuff for the government, let's not talk about it anymore because it's so boring." It's not like there was some intricate web of lies that he'd been maintaining. When he was telling her that it was a boring job I assumed it was a wink-wink nudge-nudge cannot-talk-about-it-so-lets-drop-it thing. Her outrage was jarringly dumb. She even griped about the scars. Did he not tell her about Afghanistan?
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Sep 6, 2018 01:55
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I thought it was kinda tone deaf for her to call the scars badass after he explained how he got them.
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Sep 6, 2018 03:08
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Hasselblad posted:When he was telling her that it was a boring job I assumed it was a wink-wink nudge-nudge cannot-talk-about-it-so-lets-drop-it thing. Yeah that part was straight ridiculous and stupid. SHE SAW HIM GET PICKED UP BY THE COAST GUARD IN A CHOPPER OFF THE LAWN. Then she asks about it and he's clearly like "wink wink can't say nudge nudge I'm lying but can't tell you" and she's like "yeah okay I get it, that's cool, secret agent man, you're cute" And then later she's like "abwaaaaaaa? CIA? How dare you have secrets!" I do not know what the hell they were thinking.
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Sep 6, 2018 03:30
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I think they overestimated how far they could get by with brand recognition. That or Amazon just doesn't have a talented pool of screenwriters
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Sep 6, 2018 03:33
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Crosspost: Bunk can run like a motherfucker when off camera. Stairmaster posted:I think they overestimated how far they could get by with brand recognition. That or Amazon just doesn't have a talented pool of screenwriters I dunno, I quite enjoyed Goliath. Well, season one at least. Hasselblad fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Sep 6, 2018 |
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Sep 6, 2018 04:01
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Mozart In The Jungle, Patriot, Maisel, Transparent, I Love Dick, the first season of Goliath, Bosch, even The Tick ... there's plenty of a talented writers under Amazon's employ. Carlton Cuse isn't very good, is all. He's sometimes held up by better writers (e.g. Kerry Ehrin did a lot of the heavy lifting on Bates Motel) but he's more often not crap (The Strain, Colony, San Andreas, The Returned). It makes me sad about Locke and Key, though I'm hoping that with Joe Hill on board it'll end up pretty good.
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Sep 6, 2018 04:22
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The final Jim episode, did the same plan occur in a Clancy book, or did they swipe it directly from an episode of Criminal Minds?
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Sep 6, 2018 14:05
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Pretty sure that the dude playing Matice also plays the king in those 'dilly dilly' Bud Light commercials.
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Sep 6, 2018 16:42
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Hasselblad posted:I don't know if it is the acting writing or directing, but I concur. Getting uber upset that a guy who told you his job was a boring job turning out to be a pseudo badass agent guy is kind of
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Sep 7, 2018 01:49
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Yeah with the girlfriend , she wanted to keep it casual why would he disclose his incredibly classified job?
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Sep 7, 2018 02:25
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Having skipped through all the parts I thought were bad, this was pretty good!
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Sep 7, 2018 02:53
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Now I've finished it this is Strike Back with half the charm and a quarter of the action.
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Elendil004 posted:Yeah with the girlfriend , she wanted to keep it casual why would he disclose his incredibly classified job? Yeah, that relationship felt wedged in to the story and those two actors have just about zero chemistry.
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Sep 7, 2018 19:05
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Only watched up to episode three so far. What the gently caress was up with the Lee Turgeson plot line?
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Sep 7, 2018 19:57
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Payndz posted:Those are genuine Clancy digressions, by the way. At one point in R6 he rambles about torturing some arab guy I think and manhandling them and talking about their dicks while manhandling said dicks. Also, the woman terrorist. Clancy um. Clancy had some issues.
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Sep 8, 2018 13:47
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I wonder at what point ghostwriters started factoring in. Wiki lists 2010 as the first novel in the main series where a second author is credited, but I'd heard rumblings that they were using help earlier than that so he could churn out the goods.
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Just watched the 1st episode and i like it Ok the romance bullshit is a little contrived and they could do without that Hexel fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Sep 9, 2018 |
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Sep 9, 2018 03:49
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Only watched up to episode three so far. What the gently caress was up with the Lee Turgeson plot line? Speaking of this point in the series (watched up to e3 on a Vegas flight and I'll continue on the way home) it seemed a bit of an unnecessary detour to spend so much narrative heft and screen time on Tombstone the drone pilot's lovely personal life and massive guilt. Yeah, heavy-handed blood money metaphor, I get it. But it was kind of like they decided the episode would be ten minutes shorter if they didn't devote time to the backstory of the deus ex machina, which I don't think I've ever seen before.
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Sep 9, 2018 17:48
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lol the french police are so incompetent in this show
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Sep 9, 2018 22:27
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:lol the french police are so incompetent in this show This show is basically a republican dream come true especially the whole incompetent dumb foreigners bit.
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Sep 10, 2018 01:26
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Suleiman was basically Habib Marwan 2018, but somehow Habib's terrorist plans were more realized. Decent and entertaining show but lots of lazy writing.
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Sep 10, 2018 03:35
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A whole squad of gign vs doped up terrorist teenagers. gign loses. ok!
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Sep 10, 2018 03:37
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ElectricSheep posted:Speaking of this point in the series (watched up to e3 on a Vegas flight and I'll continue on the way home) it seemed a bit of an unnecessary detour to spend so much narrative heft and screen time on Tombstone the drone pilot's lovely personal life and massive guilt. Yeah, heavy-handed blood money metaphor, I get it. But it was kind of like they decided the episode would be ten minutes shorter if they didn't devote time to the backstory of the deus ex machina, which I don't think I've ever seen before. I mean, maybe it was meant to be a narrative curveball? I mean, as someone that watched a lot of these types of movie when I was younger, I fully expected the two of them to kill the drone pilot and take his credentials for an attack on the base. That pretty much is a constant around this point of the story in the genre. I just don’t get the dissonance between the early 00’s open air terrorist training camps operating at the same time as the drone strikes that put an end to them.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I mean, maybe it was meant to be a narrative curveball? I mean, as someone that watched a lot of these types of movie when I was younger, I fully expected the two of them to kill the drone pilot and take his credentials for an attack on the base. That pretty much is a constant around this point of the story in the genre. I just don’t get the dissonance between the early 00’s open air terrorist training camps operating at the same time as the drone strikes that put an end to them. You know, I thought that the couple was in on the plot at first as well, but the fact that they weren't just kind of made the whole thing a shaggy dog story which ended with Tombstone flying all the way the hell out to Syria to seek forgiveness from the father of the man he'd killed. That had no other real impact on the Suleiman story; it just gave us more detail on the guy who pulled the trigger on a literal deus ex machina that saved Hanin several episodes prior. No further use of the swinger couple (and a waste of Lee Tergeson to boot!) and no real utility to Riot Grrl or Tombstone other than a 30-second decision that -surprise!- didn't end up killing Yazid. Seriously, that explosion should've separated limbs from his body. So now that I'm finished with the season I'm kind of hoping it goes the way of Bates Motel, another Carlton Cuse show that had a first season I found to be super loving wonky. Bates just got better and better as it went, but does anyone remember that first season? Hell of a pilot with a crazy ending, some odd deviations in plot that seem significant but then aren't really mentioned again for the remainder of the show's run (remember when Norman and company helped break up the underground human trafficking/prostitution ring?), and while I was overall entertained by it I felt like Season 1 of Bates Motel was super flawed and would need to put in some serious work in the future if I wanted to stick with it. Luckily, the show tightened up from a narrative perspective and dumped some of the dead weight and I really got into it. I hope Jack Ryan gets there, because so far I'm feeling the same way about it. edit:oh poo poo I just remembered when Suleiman loving Clark Kented his way through Customs, big laughs at that ElectricSheep fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Sep 11, 2018 |
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