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It's Donna Brazile. If you expect better, you're wrong. "Since time immemorial... Since their introduction in 1984..."
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The National museum of Brazil (Museu Nacional do Rio De Janeiro) burned overnight. Cause of the fire seems uncertain, but the firefighters found hydrants that didn't work. Holy smokes what a tragedy. Maybe lost: Giant meteorites, the oldest human remains in the Americas, dinosaur skeletons, was biggest natural history museum in South America so probably halls full of stuffed rare birds and weird minerals, etc. The museum had been massively underfunded and overlooked by the government - seems crazy if they're trying to get tourism dollars. BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-latin-america-45392668
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Sep 3, 2018 18:01
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Rocket Man used his Weather Control thing to Ruin My Golf. Well Little Fat Man you've got another thing coming! BIG RETALIATION!
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Sep 3, 2018 18:09
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Democrats say that they are toning down their rhetoric against Trump and focusing on Healthcare and an infrastructure plan. https://www.axios.com/2018-midterm-elections-democrats-detailed-agenda-76866210-1cf5-40f7-8422-bb29949437ae.html
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Sep 3, 2018 18:10
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Oxygenpoisoning posted:Democrats say that they are toning down their rhetoric against Trump and focusing on Healthcare and an infrastructure plan. They want their own infrastructure week?
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Sep 3, 2018 18:13
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Oxygenpoisoning posted:Democrats say that they are toning down their rhetoric against Trump and focusing on Healthcare and an infrastructure plan. quote:Democratic leaders have been clear that impeachment isn't happening unless it's bipartisan — that Mueller's findings are definitive, and Republicans voice support for the i-word. Good luck with that one.
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Sep 3, 2018 18:14
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Sep 3, 2018 18:15
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That Works posted:Good luck with that one. It's not the worst strategy since openly campaigning on impeachment could motivate the Republican base, and conviction in the Senate physically can't happen anyway without Republican crossover votes so it's best not to get people's hopes up.
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Sep 3, 2018 18:17
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and impeachment gives us a worse person in the White House. its time to put this fantasy away and work on things that people actually give a poo poo about.
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Sep 3, 2018 18:20
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Acebuckeye13 posted:It's not the worst strategy since openly campaigning on impeachment could motivate the Republican base, and conviction in the Senate physically can't happen anyway without Republican crossover votes so it's best not to get people's hopes up. Ah yes let's take a neutral stance against the person we've been banging the drum against for 2 years and hope that Republicans make decisions based on principles instead of "gently caress you vote GOP". That will turn out the voters for 2020 for sure. Unless Mueller comes back with "nope, totally innocent" then anything except advocating for immediate removal is just handing the government over to fascists with ties to a foreign power.
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Sep 3, 2018 18:23
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Oxygenpoisoning posted:Democrats say that they are toning down their rhetoric against Trump and focusing on Healthcare and an infrastructure plan. e: Actually read the article. That's sort of misleading. Basically they are planning ahead and not going to do anything unless Mueller comes down with both barrels. SquirrelyPSU fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Sep 3, 2018 |
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Sep 3, 2018 18:24
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SquirrelyPSU posted:e: Actually read the article. That's sort of misleading. Basically they are planning ahead and not going to do anything unless Mueller comes down with both barrels. *and as long as Republicans will play along with it. Look, if Mueller shows up with videotapes of Trump murdering a dozen black babies the only responses from the GOP will just be "this is concerning" and "witch hunt, fake news, liberals are trying to destroy our country" and then get a mild bump in the polls for refusing to support a democratically controlled congress.
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Sep 3, 2018 18:31
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SquirrelyPSU posted:e: Actually read the article. That's sort of misleading. Basically they are planning ahead and not going to do anything unless Mueller comes down with both barrels. And if anyone can bring down both barrels, it's Robert Muller. Impeachment is a long shot, but the second he steps out of office he's gonna hit Trump in the face with a federal indictment. Even if, by some miracle, Trump skates on the federal charges, the NY AG will go after him hard for money laundering, wire fraud, and Christ only knows what else. Trump's best option is probably having a heart attack and dying in office.
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Sep 3, 2018 18:39
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Trump cannot be impeached and removed without around a dozen republican senators crossing over because it’s literally impossible even with a complete sweep to get to 66 senators this election. It’s good to focus on healthcare and actually putting money into employee pockets rather than more handouts to the wealthy. Run on fixing be potholes in your city. Talk about poo poo people actually care about.
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Sep 3, 2018 18:42
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BigDave posted:And if anyone can bring down both barrels, it's Robert Muller. Impeachment is a long shot, but the second he steps out of office he's gonna hit Trump in the face with a federal indictment. If that happens the GOP gets to install whoever they want at VP(Someone clean of Russian or Trump stink) Who pardons Pence after he resigns and gets to select a 2nd VP.
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Sep 3, 2018 18:46
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That Works posted:Ah yes let's take a neutral stance against the person we've been banging the drum against for 2 years and hope that Republicans make decisions based on principles instead of "gently caress you vote GOP". That will turn out the voters for 2020 for sure. You realize they can't impeach him without republican support, right? And that even if they COULD, that just hands it off to the senate where, again, the Democrats cant do anything without republican support. And yeah campaigning as anti-Trump A-worked really well in 2016 and B-will definitely motivate republican voters to show up. So what are you even complaining about? SquirrelyPSU posted:e: Actually read the article. That's sort of misleading. Basically they are planning ahead and not going to do anything unless Mueller comes down with both barrels. And Mueller isn't going to be finished by the midterms anyway. We've probably got another 8 months of this investigation.
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Sep 3, 2018 19:05
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Not talking about issues so much as pointing at a retard and laughing served us so well in 2016. I want him gone too but you have to be careful about these things, and that means offering voters a plan instead of just campaigning on getting rid of stupid.
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Sep 3, 2018 19:16
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The shrieking, screaming, finger-pointing, and obstructionism that Republicans use as majority or minority has seemed to work out extremely well for them (and would work even better if they weren't all constantly committing crimes) so it's always disappointing to see Democrats urge caution and instead of active and energetic leadership. If the Democrats have some grand strategy in mind they sure could be more convincing about it. Instead we see establishment Dems reserving their energy for fighting against Maxine Waters and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Sep 3, 2018 |
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Sep 3, 2018 19:22
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Sep 3, 2018 19:28
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Flikken posted:If that happens the GOP gets to install whoever they want at VP(Someone clean of Russian or Trump stink) Who pardons Pence after he resigns and gets to select a 2nd VP. I didn't say it was a good option.
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Can someone give me a quick overview of what could possibly happen in the 2018 midterms? Like, both best-case and worst-case? iirc the Senate can't go blue over open positions or something, but I've lost track over special elections / resignations / close races in both house and Senate over the year
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In a vacuum it's not a bad idea to let Trump keep right on tripping over his own dick and forcing everyone to acknowledge how much of a loathsome poo poo stain he is while Democrats promise to conduct investigations and talk about solving the issues people care about. We don't live in that vacuum and the reality is "gently caress you Trump" is all they have. The current crop of Democrats will never actually fix things like healthcare in a way that benefits the voters. If it seriously came down to a gun-to-the-head, A or B decision between fixing those problems for the voters or not pissing off their corporate and wealthy elite donors, they would gladly push the button for letting Republicans maintain the majority while playacting their role as the controlled opposition and unrest relief valve. They're not in a gun-to-the-head situation though, so they'll make all the mouth noises they can about various issues to make things look good. The only way forward is to have enough of a sweep of the Democratic party that it sinks in through their thick loving skulls and triggers the lizard brain political survival instincts that people are absolutely not going to tolerate their bullshit anymore, and they need to accept that it's finally to the point of having no choice but to take votes over donors. Stuff like that responsible capitalism proposal by Pelosi (I think?) is a sign that this might be happening, but we'll see how that works out. edit: Duzzy Funlop posted:Can someone give me a quick overview of what could possibly happen in the 2018 midterms? Like, both best-case and worst-case? Best realistic case is a solid majority in the House of Representatives and a hold-the-line outcome in the senate. That lets them subpoena the poo poo out of everything that moves and start putting the really good poo poo out in public like the tax returns while completely crippling the adminstration's agenda and leaving the Anger Mango to impotently ragetweet and do all the shady poo poo he can get away with under the imperial presidency. Worst case is no majority in the house and a few losses in the Senate, which Republicans will take as a signal that the voters are actually pretty OK with a white supremacist authoritarian leader sliding us into fascism and then basically all hell breaks loose when they just absolutely refuse to act as a check on Trump's wildest impulses. His swiss cheese'd donkey brains take over and the really wild poo poo starts to happen. How that plays out is a pretty open question. bird food bathtub fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Sep 3, 2018 |
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Sep 3, 2018 20:00
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Mr. Nice! posted:Trump cannot be impeached and removed without around a dozen republican senators crossing over because it’s literally impossible even with a complete sweep to get to 66 senators this election. I don't disagree with this but if a blue wave actually occurs it's not gonna be because people just suddenly started wanting to care about local government issues over the last 2 years. You need each individual local candidate to run on local issues yes, but as far as party wide strategic planning the DNC has positioned itself whether they meant to or not as #resistance. If you don't make moves to impeach pending Mueller actually providing a real case, even without the needed Republican support, I don't think the voters are going to come out in droves to support in 2020. It's not like they'd immediately lose all their hypothetical gains from 2018 but it would likely disenfranchise their own voters again especially if they run a weak centrist candidate again in 2020.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Can someone give me a quick overview of what could possibly happen in the 2018 midterms? Like, both best-case and worst-case? Senate can go blue, but not 66 senators blue. Every house district is up for grabs so the house could theoretically go 100% blue. This will not happen for a number of reasons. The house is generally gerrymandered with a pretty solid republican tilt. This is done by packing democratic voters into democratic superdistricts that lean anywhere from 60% to over 80% democratic while spreading republican voters around to give them a majority of districts in the +3-6% point range. This means that a shitton of house seats can flip easily with a high enough democratic turnout. The house could flip hard. There are 35 senate seats up for grabs. Right now 24 are democratic, 9 are republican, and 2 are independent. The remaining 65 are 42 republican and 23 democratic. The 9 republican seats are: Arizona, Mississippi x2, Nebraska, Nevada, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, and Wyoming. Flipping any of these is going to be a challenge. Flipping all of them is a long shot. Likewise, democratic senators from Florida, Indiana, Missouri, Montana, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Wisconsin are up. The two independents are Bernie Sanders and Angus King. It's very possible that some of these seats flip republican if democrats do not turn up. There are 9 republican spots up for grabs and 9 at risk democratic seats. Best case in the senate is flip all 9. I sincerely do not think this is possible. Flipping all 9 republican spots and maintaining everything else would give the senate a 58-42 split in favor of the democrats. This means for anything to get past the senate short of judicial nominations and budget reconciliation, some republicans will have to cross the aisle. Two republicans for legislation and eight to impeach. That's the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is those 9 at risk democrats flip republican giving republicans 60 R votes in the senate. If they hit 60 they can do anything short of impeaching someone or amending the constitution. At that point there is zero roadblocks for doing absolutely anything they want.
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That Works posted:I don't disagree with this but if a blue wave actually occurs it's not gonna be because people just suddenly started wanting to care about local government issues over the last 2 years. You need each individual local candidate to run on local issues yes, but as far as party wide strategic planning the DNC has positioned itself whether they meant to or not as #resistance. If the Mueller report dropped before midterms, then yeah, beat the impeach drum. If it hasn't, then it's not a winnable argument. This is literally the most productive special counsel ever and it is still one of the youngest in terms of how long most last. Give the process time to complete. There are a lot more arrests to come that do not happen if the investigation is rushed. There is a massive disinformation campaign against the investigation, though, that becomes a whataboutism war that isn't really productive and does not drive the vote. AOC was completely correct, and Gillum's winning the FL primary shows, the only thing that matters is GOTV. Turn non-voters into voters and get people to the loving polls. Your average joe isn't motivated by "impeach impeach impeach" as much as they are someone that says "I want to fix the pothole in front of your house."
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I swear to god if I didn't know any better I'd think I'm reading D&D/McMagic level posts in here. Six months ago when Dems were saying that might go with a "Look at how loving terrible Trump is, he sucks!" strategy for the midterms, a good chunk of you called it out for being stupid as poo poo. Some of you were losing your minds and (rightfully) said that they should focus on healthcare, jobs and the economy. Actually talking about what they would do differently rather than harping on about how bad Trump is, etc. Now they're saying they are going to do exactly that and some of you are still freaking the gently caress out.  Running on a "gently caress Trump" platform only engages people who agree with that idea as it stands. Running on a "Hey, we're gonna make sure pre-existing condition protections and other ACA stuff that hasn't been eliminated will stick around" isn't a bad idea since it has pretty broad support. Same deal with infrastructure spending and jobs. Casimir Radon posted:Not talking about issues so much as pointing at a retard and laughing served us so well in 2016. I want him gone too but you have to be careful about these things, and that means offering voters a plan instead of just campaigning on getting rid of stupid. This guy gets it. Mr. Nice! posted:If the Mueller report dropped before midterms, then yeah, beat the impeach drum. If it hasn't, then it's not a winnable argument. This is literally the most productive special counsel ever and it is still one of the youngest in terms of how long most last. Give the process time to complete. There are a lot more arrests to come that do not happen if the investigation is rushed.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Can someone give me a quick overview of what could possibly happen in the 2018 midterms? Like, both best-case and worst-case? The major elections effectively boil down to the US House, the US Senate, state governorships, state legislatures, and state ballot proposals. In the US House, all 435 seats are up for grabs. The big thing about this year is that the gerrymander put in place for many house districts after the 2010 census to keep them in Republican hands is starting to weaken, and furthermore many formerly reliable Republican suburban districts have drifted against Trump. On top of that the party in power historically loses a fair number of seats in the midterms (Because Americans are insane and love divided government for some reason), so it's very likely that the Democrats will past the 218 seat threshold to control the chamber. This is incredibly important, because it allows the Democrats to take control of committees that have subpoena and oversight power over the executive branch-meaning that they can start openly investigating the vast swaths of illegal activity and corruption going on inside Trump's White House and the upper levels of his cabinet agencies. In the US Senate, one third of the 100 seat chamber is up for grabs (As Senators have a six-year term that are staggered to ensure only one third of the chamber will be up for reelection at the same time). Here the Democrats have a real problem-having won big in 2006 and 2012, the Republicans only hold eight seats out of the 33 up for grabs for full terms. Of these, all are traditionally Republican states: Arizona, Texas, Utah, Tennessee, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, and Wyoming (Plus a bonus special election in Mississippi). To make matters worse, the Democrats have a number of seats they need to hold on to in red states, including Indiana, North Dakota, Missouri, and West Virginia. But while it's an uphill battle for the Democrats to take the Senate, it's not impossible. Thanks to the miracle victory in Alabama, the Democrats only need to gain two seats to take control, and they've lucked out in states like Tennessee and Texas where popular candidates Phil Bresden and Beto O'Rourke are up against Noted Insane Person Marsha Blackburn and Serial Killer Ted Cruz, respectively. In addition, Senator Joe Manchin (hated by mcmagics everywhere) is somehow beloved in West Virgnina and is highly likely to keep his seat, and while other Democratic Senators like Heidi Heitkamp (North Dakota) and Clair McCaskill (Missouri) are in trouble, the Democrats might be able to hold most of their vulnerable seats by the skin of their teeth. On the state level, a shitton of governorships and state legislative seats are up for grabs across the country, which are important since A)These matter more for the quality of life of ordinary people (See how Republican rule in Oklahoma has effectively ruined the state) and B) the Republicans are dangerously close to having control of enough state legislatures to achieve their fever dream of amending the US Constitution, and desperately need to be slapped back from that precipice. The best result that the Democrats can hope for is winning back the House and the Senate, which allow them to completely derail the administration's ability to pass legislation or appoint insane people to judgeships or federal agencies, which will effectively neuter Trump's White House until 2020, and furthermore will allow them to enact much more oversight of the administration. The most likely result is that the Democrats take the House but not the Senate, which will stymie the administration somewhat but will still allow them to appoint judges and other insane people, which is bad for the long-term health of the country. The worst result is that the Democrats fail to take the House or the Senate because we're actually in hell, nothing changes, death is certain
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You missed a couple senate seats up for grabs this year, Ace. There are 35 with 9 republicans at risk. Even still, dems cannot get 60 votes in the chamber let alone 66 to impeach.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Your average joe isn't motivated by "impeach impeach impeach" as much as they are someone that says "I want to fix the pothole in front of your house." It's notable that the current Democratic candidate for governor in Michigan is literally running on the campaign slogan 'Fix the drat roads'. Mr. Nice! posted:You missed a couple senate seats up for grabs this year, Ace. There are 35 with 9 republicans at risk. Even still, dems cannot get 60 votes in the chamber let alone 66 to impeach. Yeah, the double Mississippi and Minnesota election mixed me up. Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Sep 3, 2018 |
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Mr. Nice! posted:If the Mueller report dropped before midterms, then yeah, beat the impeach drum. If it hasn't, then it's not a winnable argument. This is literally the most productive special counsel ever and it is still one of the youngest in terms of how long most last. Give the process time to complete. There are a lot more arrests to come that do not happen if the investigation is rushed. Yeah, in no way do I expect the Mueller report to come out before midterms, this was about what to do after 2018 (if they win). In that case if they win and then don't try to impeach, even without Republican support, I don't think it's going to help them afterwards.
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That Works posted:Yeah, in no way do I expect the Mueller report to come out before midterms, this was about what to do after 2018 (if they win). In that case if they win and then don't try to impeach, even without Republican support, I don't think it's going to help them afterwards. I mean, yeah, the house will absolutely impeach. Will the senate do anything? eh.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I mean, yeah, the house will absolutely impeach. Will the senate do anything? eh. Exactly. But they have to try. Saying their strategy is going to be "wait for Mueller and then do it if the Republicans come around" seems .... dumb given the 'massive disinformation campaign' as you mention. I say "wait for Mueller then do everything you can" to gain ammunition for 2020 and afterwards.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:impeach Trump, and then what? Probably gently caress everything up as Dems are likely to do.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Words This was a very good summary. Thank you for this.
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I know it's dumb and shortsighted, but the main thing I care about is our idiot child president facing serious consequences for his actions. I need that catharsis.
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Fister Roboto posted:I know it's dumb and shortsighted, but the main thing I care about is our idiot child president facing serious consequences for his actions. I need that catharsis. Why not both
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