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Legit RIP, for all the bullshit Carbine really came close to making something great. I can't forgive all their screw-ups, and ultimately the failure of the game is on them, but I'm still going to miss it in some way. I think it was just a little bit of work away from the truly next big thing. I know people say that about MMOs all the time, but it really was so close. There's nothing else like it out there still, for better or worse. I'm still waiting for the next big MMO experience.
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Legitmately I got a lot of good times out of Wildstar's world and it's players. I mean I hated the dungeons and raids all defaulting to 'gently caress you' difficulty from the start, but it had a lot of charming aspects to it. Also the housing was goddamned amazing and people could come up with really mindblowing stuff. That's definitely gonna hurt to not have in other MMOs.
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I wish there were a better way to preserve MMO history. Movies, books, music, etc can all be preserved almost trivially these days, but MMOs just can't be, at least not in the way anything else can. Sure, you can run a private server with the same base code, but the characters, items, houses, connections are all gone. It's such a shame. They're all gone now. It really makes me feel strangely. Makes me feel forlorn and homesick, even though I haven't played in years. I feel like I should have played it more, but I know I wouldn't have enjoyed it all that much. Everyone else had stopped playing too. See you, space cowboy.
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Poultron posted:I wish there were a better way to preserve MMO history. Movies, books, music, etc can all be preserved almost trivially these days, but MMOs just can't be, at least not in the way anything else can. Sure, you can run a private server with the same base code, but the characters, items, houses, connections are all gone. It's such a shame. They're all gone now. It really makes me feel strangely. Makes me feel forlorn and homesick, even though I haven't played in years. I feel like I should have played it more, but I know I wouldn't have enjoyed it all that much. Everyone else had stopped playing too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvFYgELj2X0
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RIP In Peace. Not a good game but I had fun with it during the first month nonetheless.I said come in! posted:The only decent sci-fi MMO is Star Wars the Old Republic, and there's nothing in development that i'm aware of. How is Firefall doing these days?
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The Moon Monster posted:RIP In Peace. Not a good game but I had fun with it during the first month nonetheless. assuming you're not making the joke, it was closed July 2017 That Wildstar post redirected to NCSoft's front page within 20 minutes of the event ending, RIP
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Poultron posted:I wish there were a better way to preserve MMO history. Movies, books, music, etc can all be preserved almost trivially these days, but MMOs just can't be, at least not in the way anything else can. Sure, you can run a private server with the same base code, but the characters, items, houses, connections are all gone. It's such a shame. They're all gone now. It really makes me feel strangely. Makes me feel forlorn and homesick, even though I haven't played in years. I feel like I should have played it more, but I know I wouldn't have enjoyed it all that much. Everyone else had stopped playing too. We puff up MMOs but in the end they're all poo poo and playing them is highly inadvisable. Much like EVE they're better off being read about, unless you really like the gameplay and playing dress up.
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The Moon Monster posted:How is Firefall doing these days? Basically everyone was fired from Red5 in mid 2016, but somehow the servers where on till mid 2017. The final revamp. Everything's gone.
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Nov 29, 2018 16:41
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Poultron posted:I'm still waiting for the next big MMO experience.
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maybe it will come when VR is fully fleshed out and an entertainment standard like tv. aka the beginning of the holo-deck pre-cursors.
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Dwesa posted:Don't we all? But it will never come. Probably- I think the only thing that come close to recapturing the First MMO Feeling people chase is a VR equivalent to WoW.
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And if people thought WoW addiction was bad just image how wild VR addiction will be. Any one ever see the movie Upgrade? Its gonna be like when the main character met with a off the grid hacker. Just people wired up to never have to log off in a 21st century crack den.
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BexGu posted:And if people thought WoW addiction was bad just image how wild VR addiction will be. Better start memorizing every piece of 80s pop culture now before you need to recite blade runner and monty python from memory to win a trillion dollars.
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Rest in piss, Wildstar. What a misguided, mismanaged nightmare.
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Wildstar had some neat level design here and there. This is because it wasn't running on WOW's like super dated 2001 engine or whatever, so I really enjoyed exploring some of the levels that seemed fresh due to an engine that was probably only 5 years out of date at launch instead of 15. But the gameplay got old quick and anything 'endgame' was pointless. It's funny how once you lose the skinner box of slow progression, the pointlessness of MMOs really are apparent. I hit level 50 or whatever was max out of just sheer desire to explore and do all of the quests, but it was pretty laff how copy and paste the last few zones were (they were mirrored down the center for each faction, so basically it was just half a zone made for each). Once I hit level 50 so that nothing was skull/instant-death to me while exploring, I just like poked around and then finally quit whenever my timer for payment ran out. Being like "yup, that looks neat. Oh well, I couldn't care less." is a weird feeling in MMOs. It's weird to think all of those virtual zones are gone. Some were really neat. Then again, tons of work are put into virtual levels in other video games that go away / are never played again after a while. It makes it more evident that the most amazing thing is that Blizzard is still making money off of the zones it made back in 2001 for WOW.
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The Moon Monster posted:How is Firefall doing these days? It shut down last year.
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panda clue posted:imagine obsessing this much over something you hate I don't have to imagine, I know you think about me all the time 
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I don't know how timezones work and logged on for the final event a couple of hours early, was surprised/not surprised to see that my /played time was only a day, it felt like longer. One minute after the shutdown was supposed to happen someone started spamming "CARBINE MISSED ONE LAST DEADLINE" and that was pretty good. RIP game
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Dwesa posted:Don't we all? But it will never come. I'm not, it happened once and that was it, never again.
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Relax Or DIE posted:Probably- I think the only thing that come close to recapturing the First MMO Feeling people chase is a VR equivalent to WoW. Why would having a worse control scheme make a game more attractive?
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In memoriam of the death of this game, here's my tracking sheet for who in my guild was attuned for raiding at launch. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V00CCAaZBgmkFhliPoJ2ElRX8qdkZCoQnNsYrt_CcNE/edit?usp=sharing
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Clarste posted:Why would having a worse control scheme make a game more attractive? because you can look down and see your elf boobs, like in Trespasser
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Pryce posted:In memoriam of the death of this game, here's my tracking sheet for who in my guild was attuned for raiding at launch. here's mine 
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I wish we could at least get an offline client that is just the housing part of the game with all cosmetics unlocked.
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I said come in! posted:I wish we could at least get an offline client that is just the housing part of the game with all cosmetics unlocked. A private server could be cool if they undid all the bullshit “hardcore” stuff carbine thought people wanted, but knowing nerds they’d more likely double down on it, cupcake.
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No, that would be dumb. I just want the housing/cosmetic part.
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It's so funny seeing MMOs go under so fast. Like, all that work and all those man-hours-- poof. All those broke-brains that convince themselves it'll be worth it at the end when they near hour 500 of grinding towards being able to attempt the raid that, like the players, is fundamentally and irrevocably broken. At least in some other MMOs your poo poo sticks around for at least a decade.
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clone on the phone posted:A private server could be cool if they undid all the bullshit “hardcore” stuff carbine thought people wanted, but knowing nerds they’d more likely double down on it, cupcake. They really just need to let the whole "hardcore mmo" concept die now, the market is way to small for it to be a profitable venture. Possibly some private server can run or some lovely unity mmo, but that's about it.
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A private server would be good for like 2 weeks and then you run out of content because the game was released extremely buggy and most of the patches were trying to fix the poo poo the previous one broke. Then the game went into maintenance mode really drat quick, its amazing how long it lasted
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I feel sorry for all those artists and programmers who made some really cool and enjoyable things. Its weird that the game failed because of ~design~ decisions made by a handful of people, totally negating the work done by hundreds of others.
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The saddest part of all this is that the new Candy Crush game made a billion dollars last year. Maybe that's why no one makes MMOs any more. Why bother? You can put together a slot machine mobile game and sit back in your pile of money.
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RagnarokZ posted:They really just need to let the whole "hardcore mmo" concept die now, the market is way to small for it to be a profitable venture. Honestly, the demons at Activision-Blizzard's corporate office probably eked out the most financially viable way of doing hardcore MMOs with classic WoW. Know that only, like, 20 people actually want it. So don't give them new content, just give them the content they've already played on a drip feed, with minor balance/polish/whatever, and keep on keeping on with the new stuff.
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30.5 Days posted:The limited action bar with assignable points thing wildstar did was hands down the best piece of customization I've ever seen in an mmo, and I genuinely think it inspired the new talent system in wow, because it showed that a few interesting situational choices is a million times better than 50 things to look up on the internet. If Wildstar did inspire the new talent system in WoW, it'd be drat impressive considering that WoW's new talent system was implemented two years before Wildstar launched.
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Cardboard Fox posted:The saddest part of all this is that the new Candy Crush game made a billion dollars last year. Maybe that's why no one makes MMOs any more. Why bother? You can put together a slot machine mobile game and sit back in your pile of money. It's part of why I'm still kind of pissed at the incompetence of the Wildstar devs, since it was basically the last chance to prove new MMOs were viable, released with good hype and the best possible timing, and then they hosed it.
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Asimo posted:Pretty much, yeah. If you're a AAA dev studio you can probably make a multiplayer shooter with a bunch of lootbox-style gacha crap and make more, and even that costs way less than making and running a new MMO for better quarterly gains. There might be some changes in the market or innovations in design in a decade that make an opening for a new proper AAA MMO, but for now? They are absolutely a dead genre. See: BioWare. (Anthem is going to be so bad )
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It's Borderlands with jet packs, I kinda liked it And they've said there won't be lootboxes
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I talked about this one Reddit because people point that out to be like 'no itll be different and good' but Anthem won't have loot boxes, however it will have a huge focus on grinding, looting things, and content updates will come frequently through paid DLC systems. Each DLC will render previous content obsolete of course. Instead of paying per hand, you're paying to get access into the casino to play all the slots you want for free, but once you're inside they charge you an entry fee to get into the blackjack area where you play as much as you want for free with a higher win% than the slots and also it features attractive dealers. In 2 months, the poker area will be released and there's a charge to get in there, with a higher chance of winning than black jack and more attractive dealers. And so on and so on.
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Relax Or DIE posted:Probably- I think the only thing that come close to recapturing the First MMO Feeling people chase is a VR equivalent to WoW. You ever played VR for extended periods of time? A frequent thing that happens in VR cooperative quests is people stopping playing for the day because they're too uncomfortable/tired with standing around for extended periods of time.
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jokes posted:I talked about this one Reddit because people point that out to be like 'no itll be different and good' but Anthem won't have loot boxes, however it will have a huge focus on grinding, looting things, and content updates will come frequently through paid DLC systems. Each DLC will render previous content obsolete of course. I mean I'm not saying it's good or bad but like this has been the case for almost 2 decades my dude
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Poultron posted:I mean I'm not saying it's good or bad but like this has been the case for almost 2 decades my dude Yeah but people are pretending like it's not still really predatory just because it's not AS predatory as super scummy, illegal predatory behavior.
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